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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 22, 2021 21:59:58 GMT
No, they played as the away side, soaked it up and punished us when they had the chance. They’d have been in front earlier but for Chester getting away with one. Remind me of the Chester getting away with one? The stonewall pen the ref missed?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:18 GMT
It's one of those runs for us. Nothing is really breaking for us.
Watford had to do so little to win that.
I know people will point to a lack of incision - but I really thought there was a lot to like, particularly first half, given the lack of strikers available
We looked neat and tidy against Cardiff and Bournemouth for 45 - but I thought we were a level above that during that first half. We just needed something to go in off someone's backside.
But they get 2 goals from absolutely nowhere and the heads go down for 20 minutes.
When you look at the balance of the team, though, the lack of goals is obvious. Clucas, the only non-Powell goal threat, still significantly off the pace. It's only at set-pieces where you really feel we may score when Fletcher's not playing.
If Fletcher plays the 90 today, I think we'd have won. But basing a campaign on one man's fitness is a fool's errand
Big call hopefully to be made on Mikel. He's still nearly got it and shows you a bit of class regularly - but he's fractionally off it and once you lose it, there's no getting it back
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:22 GMT
Never a hope in hell and I said we’d finish between 8th and 12th months ago. O’Neill will get there but not this season You have more faith in him than me. One win in twelve. We're going back. This is when the manager needs out support but I agree he’s got to start going for games earlier
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Post by liathroid on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:37 GMT
Really not sure the keeper is to blame for a pretty toothless display. The keeper gave the penalty away after a great stop and then for me should have done far better with the 2nd. Yes we were toothless until we went for it and Powell and Souttar had chances to equalise the ball bounced in front of him for the second
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Post by henry on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:47 GMT
Really not sure the keeper is to blame for a pretty toothless display. The keeper gave the penalty away after a great stop and then for me should have done far better with the 2nd. Yes we were toothless until we went for it and Powell and Souttar had chances to equalise An almost instant reaction after a great stop, and the second we see 2 players looking miles off the pace before the shot. Tonight is not on the keeper.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:57 GMT
Really not sure the keeper is to blame for a pretty toothless display. Absolutely. Easy scapegoat. Lots of others culpable. A couple more culpable. Deep down the problem is, we really aren't very good and the manager has become muddled maybe even puddled in his thinking. Muddled and Puddled sums our manager up right now - spot on The bloke has lost the plot
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:01:13 GMT
Remind me of the Chester getting away with one? The stonewall pen the ref missed? That was Norrington Davies
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:01:39 GMT
It’s all pedestrian and easy to defend against
We have loads of possession but create virtually nothing and it’s becoming a recurring theme
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Post by kerouac on Jan 22, 2021 22:02:01 GMT
I don't expect anything from this season,unless we find some magic in the final third ,but I don't feel too downhearted because there is hope in this team.Never a chance of going up and staying up anyway so im looking forward to next season with the crowds back,a few canny additions plus Doughty, and perhaps Michaels balls may start swelling in a more positive manner.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2021 22:02:10 GMT
Have to agree with the original post. In the last two games we’ve improved massively in keeping the ball and our passings been much better Unfortunately we don’t have a decent striker and that’s absolutely killing us I’m resigned to missing out on the play offs this year but we really really need to find that 15/20 goal a season striker and keep him fit
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 22, 2021 22:03:11 GMT
Keeper not at fault tonight. Player just got to the ball first for the opener. Great finish for the 2nd.
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Post by henry on Jan 22, 2021 22:03:13 GMT
Remind me of the Chester getting away with one? The stonewall pen the ref missed? That wasn't Chesters
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2021 22:03:18 GMT
You have more faith in him than me. One win in twelve. We're going back. This is when the manager needs out support but I agree he’s got to start going for games earlier He needs a rocket up his arse. He would not be doing this shit if fans were there.
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Post by kerouac on Jan 22, 2021 22:04:18 GMT
It's one of those runs for us. Nothing is really breaking for us. Watford had to do so little to win that. I know people will point to a lack of incision - but I really thought there was a lot to like, particularly first half, given the lack of strikers available We looked neat and tidy against Cardiff and Bournemouth for 45 - but I thought we were a level above that during that first half. We just needed something to go in off someone's backside. But they get 2 goals from absolutely nowhere and the heads go down for 20 minutes. When you look at the balance of the team, though, the lack of goals is obvious. Clucas, the only non-Powell goal threat, still significantly off the pace. It's only at set-pieces where you really feel we may score when Fletcher's not playing. If Fletcher plays the 90 today, I think we'd have won. But basing a campaign on one man's fitness is a fool's errand Big call hopefully to be made on Mikel. He's still nearly got it and shows you a bit of class regularly - but he's fractionally off it and once you lose it, there's no getting it back You're spot on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:04:23 GMT
Football is a funny old game 2 poor errors from the keeper cost us Looked far better when we had to go for it also Sadly for young Joe that's 5 errors in 3 games.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:04:48 GMT
Remind me of the Chester getting away with one? The stonewall pen the ref missed? It was Nozzer not Chester
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 22, 2021 22:04:57 GMT
The stonewall pen the ref missed? That was Norrington Davies Apologies. Still, lucky there - for all we were decent first half they had the best chance and then a legit penalty shout. We were tidy but we just don’t seem able to go up a gear in the final third and are fairly easy to defend against.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 22, 2021 22:05:35 GMT
Why don't we go for it from the off? Its as if we are in awe of any opposition. Just have some balls and be positive and forward thinking instead of an hours sparring and seeing what happens. You can be more expansive and still be disciplined at the back. Really are under performing. We did go for it from the off today though, we dominated them and looked like the recent prem team with the fancy silky players instead of them. That wasn’t just from the off it was For 55mins. We are so close and nearly there, we’ve had a weird season with injuries and everything else. There just always seems to be one part of the puzzle missing, we get that piece sorted and then lose another. No reason to despair or hysterics (not directed at you buzz btw- to all) Just frustrates the hell out of me mate. We have some really good players now but as you point out it never really all clicks lately. I just don't get the McClean love in with MON, we have better. If Fletcher was fit for the bench he was fit to play you would think. I can't remember the last time we played a settled team for more than 2 games running.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:05:53 GMT
Football is a funny old game 2 poor errors from the keeper cost us Looked far better when we had to go for it also Sadly for young Joe that's 5 errors in 3 games. He’s fine far better than I expected Dave but yes you are spot on and it’s time for Gunn to come back,Davies has a slight hamstring twinge
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:06:44 GMT
That was Norrington Davies Apologies. Still, lucky there - for all we were decent first half they had the best chance and then a legit penalty shout. We were tidy but we just don’t seem able to go up a gear in the final third and are fairly easy to defend against. I agree it was a stonewall penalty and said so at the time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:06:56 GMT
It's one of those runs for us. Nothing is really breaking for us. Watford had to do so little to win that. I know people will point to a lack of incision - but I really thought there was a lot to like, particularly first half, given the lack of strikers available We looked neat and tidy against Cardiff and Bournemouth for 45 - but I thought we were a level above that during that first half. We just needed something to go in off someone's backside. But they get 2 goals from absolutely nowhere and the heads go down for 20 minutes. When you look at the balance of the team, though, the lack of goals is obvious. Clucas, the only non-Powell goal threat, still significantly off the pace. It's only at set-pieces where you really feel we may score when Fletcher's not playing. If Fletcher plays the 90 today, I think we'd have won. But basing a campaign on one man's fitness is a fool's errand Big call hopefully to be made on Mikel. He's still nearly got it and shows you a bit of class regularly - but he's fractionally off it and once you lose it, there's no getting it back I agree with all of that but we'll rarely make use of set piece situations if we insist on letting McLean take them.
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 22, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
Can't believe Bursik it getting stick. He's got go for the ball and player makes sure there is contact. The second literally bounced just infront of him and he was fully stretched so hard to adjust. Wrong formation, no player supporting Powell properly just on odd occasion. Midfield 3 all standing on top of each other causing issues. Just look at the difference as soon as someone was helping Powell and us going to middle 2.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 22, 2021 22:07:58 GMT
Bloody Watford love in, Sky is going off!!
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Post by stokemark on Jan 22, 2021 22:10:24 GMT
Can't believe Bursik it getting stick. He's got go for the ball and player makes sure there is contact. The second literally bounced just infront of him and he was fully stretched so hard to adjust. Wrong formation, no player supporting Powell properly just on odd occasion. Midfield 3 all standing on top of each other causing issues. Just look at the difference as soon as someone was helping Powell and us going to middle 2. Overall agree but he needs to save the second one for me
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 22, 2021 22:12:19 GMT
A pattern seems to be developing in recent games. We pay well in the first half with no end product to show for it. Opposing managers give a half time pep talk and the opponents improve and they freshen things up with substitutions. M.O.N. leaves it very late to make substitutions, often only after our opponents have scored and we have left it too late to recover the advantage. I can understand fan's frustration and some of the criticisms made on the Oatcake. I can see a long term plan and I still think M.O.N. will make us very competitive next season. Keep the faith.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:14:45 GMT
We've played probably 5 good halves all this season. Most of the time we've been bog-standard.
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Post by sirabdoulaye on Jan 22, 2021 22:15:21 GMT
Have Campbell and a fit fletcher then we take that game whilst they didn’t have a sniff. We dominated a quality championship side for 60 mins. People criticising MON need to give their heads a wobble, imagine having the parasites of wimmer and Bauer draining us from buying a striker. He’s just admitted unlikely to get a striker...oh for the money jones and Rowett pissed away.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 22, 2021 22:20:22 GMT
We did go for it from the off today though, we dominated them and looked like the recent prem team with the fancy silky players instead of them. That wasn’t just from the off it was For 55mins. We are so close and nearly there, we’ve had a weird season with injuries and everything else. There just always seems to be one part of the puzzle missing, we get that piece sorted and then lose another. No reason to despair or hysterics (not directed at you buzz btw- to all) Just frustrates the hell out of me mate. We have some really good players now but as you point out it never really all clicks lately. I just don't get the McClean love in with MON, we have better. If Fletcher was fit for the bench he was fit to play you would think. I can't remember the last time we played a settled team for more than 2 games running. Fair enough - you said it at the end there though. We haven’t got a settled team because for the past 2 months we’ve had a swathe of injuries across the board which included loosing any player that happened to have hands and was located on a goal line and we also lost our main attacking threats of Campbell and Fletcher. McClean is McClean - best player last season, doesn’t mean he’s seller but you know he’ll give it his all - and as a manager when you have very little options that’s exactly the ethic I’d turn to. If we were in the prem with this dilemma - the pundits every single week on MOTD and every mention in any media outlet would be banging the drum as to what a hard deal we’ve been dealt, ‘given the circumstances’ / ‘you’ve gotta feel for the team/manager/fans with what’s happened’. It’s unfortunate for us as fans as we’ve been subjected to support our club through a stream and this weird ass polarised forum - which in soo many instances is no where a true reflection of reality a balance view of what our supporters actually think, believe, want and allows no credit to what has been achieved and how far we have come at the club in such a short space of time.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 22, 2021 22:22:23 GMT
We've played probably 5 good halves all this season. Most of the time we've been bog-standard. No criticism - but you do say this as if you believed that we weren’t a bog-standard team in the first place? Perhaps coming to terms with the reality as to who and where we are?
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Post by RF10 on Jan 22, 2021 22:25:48 GMT
Anyone got a stat at how many crosses we made and how many headers we won from them? They were so easy to defend against.
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