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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 4, 2021 9:51:37 GMT
This case gets to the very heart of press freedom and democracy in our country, yet most of the MSM and political commentators remain largely silent.
Whilst I don't find the bloke particularly likeable, he has been locked away in Belmarsh and treated worse than a murderer or paedophile for sharing information that a government wishes to suppress which is the very essence of investigative journalism.
It would set a very worrying precedent
if he's handed over to the USA for a 175 year prison sentence......
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 4, 2021 10:38:21 GMT
This case gets to the very heart of press freedom and democracy in our country, yet most of the MSM and political commentators remain largely silent. Whilst I don't find the bloke particularly likeable, he has been locked away in Belmarsh and treated worse than a murderer or paedophile for sharing information that a government wishes to suppress which is the very essence of investigative journalism. It would set a very worrying precedent if he's handed over to the USA for a 175 year prison sentence...... His campaign hasn't had a great deal of attention for the reason you alluded to. Basically he isn't a particularly likable person. This, in itself, demonstrates the power of media and the cult of personality. In reality, he exposed horrendous war crimes but instead of being appalled by the killing of civilians plenty of people are disgusted by being informed. A few carefully placed word from the fourth estate and we hide behind the scoundrel's last refuge. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 4, 2021 11:03:54 GMT
I'm pleasantly surprised.......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2021 11:18:52 GMT
Excellent news
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 4, 2021 11:42:03 GMT
This case gets to the very heart of press freedom and democracy in our country, yet most of the MSM and political commentators remain largely silent. Whilst I don't find the bloke particularly likeable, he has been locked away in Belmarsh and treated worse than a murderer or paedophile for sharing information that a government wishes to suppress which is the very essence of investigative journalism. It would set a very worrying precedent if he's handed over to the USA for a 175 year prison sentence...... His campaign hasn't had a great deal of attention for the reason you alluded to. Basically he isn't a particularly likable person. This, in itself, demonstrates the power of media and the cult of personality. In reality, he exposed horrendous war crimes but instead of being appalled by the killing of civilians plenty of people are disgusted by being informed. A few carefully placed word from the fourth estate and we hide behind the scoundrel's last refuge. Good post. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 4, 2021 12:22:59 GMT
His campaign hasn't had a great deal of attention for the reason you alluded to. Basically he isn't a particularly likable person. This, in itself, demonstrates the power of media and the cult of personality. In reality, he exposed horrendous war crimes but instead of being appalled by the killing of civilians plenty of people are disgusted by being informed. A few carefully placed word from the fourth estate and we hide behind the scoundrel's last refuge. Good post. Thank you |
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 4, 2021 12:23:45 GMT
This case gets to the very heart of press freedom and democracy in our country, yet most of the MSM and political commentators remain largely silent. Whilst I don't find the bloke particularly likeable, he has been locked away in Belmarsh and treated worse than a murderer or paedophile for sharing information that a government wishes to suppress which is the very essence of investigative journalism. It would set a very worrying precedent if he's handed over to the USA for a 175 year prison sentence...... Doubt he'd have served the full term. With good behaviour he'd probably be out on licence after 85 years or so. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 4, 2021 13:39:03 GMT
Excellent news
I think a lot of the other stuff was made up and stretched to discredit him.
He may need protection on the outside
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2021 14:08:58 GMT
Putting aside the specifics of Assange’s case, I thought the rationale for declining the extradition interesting; fears that he could take his own life.
Normally, I thought, we denied extradition because we were concerned with the treatment someone would receive like an unfair trial, torture etc.
I’m not sure if this judge has set a precedent, but if she has, it’s one that should be challenged because this could lead to a significant shift in how countries assess extradition request. For example, that American woman who killed a young man in a car accident who fled the country under diplomatic immunity. I guess her lawyer would now have a far easier job in getting a judge to deny extradition if her diplomatic protection was successfully challenged (appreciate this ain’t likely to happen but it’s worth thinking about).
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 4, 2021 18:19:05 GMT
Doubt he'd have served the full term. With good behaviour he'd probably be out on licence after 85 years or so. Or the same sentence as Epstein. You would have to bet it would go that way... |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 5, 2021 9:21:46 GMT
if anybody has any interest in this give "we are legion" a watch, it used to be on amazon prime and netflix but now is on youtube in full
it is the story of how anonymous and wikileaks came to be and is really interesting
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 5, 2021 11:53:37 GMT
Very interesting piece on BBC4 last night by Ian Hislop about fake news, which kind of ties in with this story too, and how governments have always manipulated the 'news' to their advantage and used misinformation and lies to discredit those who expose them.
One positive piece came at the very end, where some comparison was made to the explosion of salacious and provocative news reporting in popular papers around the turn of the late 18th century and early 19th century and comparing this to social media today.
The point was made that, eventually, people came to be sceptical about those newspaper stories and it was hoped that the same will happen with social media sources in our modern times.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 6, 2021 12:01:04 GMT
I'm not surprised in the slightest....
The more I think about the reasons given not to extradite the more I think it's just set up perfectly for the US to win their appeal......
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Post by flea79 on Jan 6, 2021 13:01:49 GMT
I'm not surprised in the slightest.... The more I think about the reasons given not to extradite the more I think it's just set up perfectly for the US to win their appeal...... i hope they dont if im honest but i can imagine that we will want to please overlord Biden straight away so might give him up to score some early points, but when you consider that they wouldnt extradite the lady who ran over and killed that young lad last year i say fuck them, let him free |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 6, 2021 13:20:08 GMT
I'm not surprised in the slightest.... The more I think about the reasons given not to extradite the more I think it's just set up perfectly for the US to win their appeal...... i hope they dont if im honest but i can imagine that we will want to please overlord Biden straight away so might give him up to score some early points, but when you consider that they wouldnt extradite the lady who ran over and killed that young lad last year i say fuck them, let him free Very different scenarios in terms of the nature of the crimes and the relevance of diplomatic immunity, but I agree that, put side by side, it does make the law look like an ass. |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 6, 2021 13:22:49 GMT
i hope they dont if im honest but i can imagine that we will want to please overlord Biden straight away so might give him up to score some early points, but when you consider that they wouldnt extradite the lady who ran over and killed that young lad last year i say fuck them, let him free Very different scenarios in terms of the nature of the crimes and the relevance of diplomatic immunity, but I agree that, put side by side, it does make the law look like an ass. Yes I have over simplified it a little really but I thought these extradition treaties were built upon spirit of goodwill etc and the Americans seem to have abused it a little in the case of the person we wanted yet expect us to hand them Assange instantly |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 6, 2021 13:33:31 GMT
Very different scenarios in terms of the nature of the crimes and the relevance of diplomatic immunity, but I agree that, put side by side, it does make the law look like an ass. Yes I have over simplified it a little really but I thought these extradition treaties were built upon spirit of goodwill etc and the Americans seem to have abused it a little in the case of the person we wanted yet expect us to hand them Assange instantly Not really sure how they work and the grounds for complying with extradition requests or refusing. I presume protection of the 'accused' comes into it. I seem to remember a case a few years back with an autistic bloke who had hacked into US defence systems and the States wanted him sent over too. Thankfully, we refused that one. From what I remember he was entirely unsuitable to face a criminal trial. |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 6, 2021 13:35:43 GMT
Yes I have over simplified it a little really but I thought these extradition treaties were built upon spirit of goodwill etc and the Americans seem to have abused it a little in the case of the person we wanted yet expect us to hand them Assange instantly Not really sure how they work and the grounds for complying with extradition requests or refusing. I presume protection of the 'accused' comes into it. I seem to remember a case a few years back with an autistic bloke who had hacked into US defence systems and the States wanted him sent over too. Thankfully, we refused that one. From what I remember he was entirely unsuitable to face a criminal trial. Yea I remember that he had autism and adhd I believe and hacked into multiple systems to try and get proof of UFO’s |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 6, 2021 14:05:12 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jan 6, 2021 14:07:03 GMT
This case gets to the very heart of press freedom and democracy in our country, yet most of the MSM and political commentators remain largely silent. Whilst I don't find the bloke particularly likeable, he has been locked away in Belmarsh and treated worse than a murderer or paedophile for sharing information that a government wishes to suppress which is the very essence of investigative journalism. It would set a very worrying precedent if he's handed over to the USA for a 175 year prison sentence...... His campaign hasn't had a great deal of attention for the reason you alluded to. Basically he isn't a particularly likable person. This, in itself, demonstrates the power of media and the cult of personality. In reality, he exposed horrendous war crimes but instead of being appalled by the killing of civilians plenty of people are disgusted by being informed. A few carefully placed word from the fourth estate and we hide behind the scoundrel's last refuge. Pammy liked him alot apparently |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 6, 2021 21:16:34 GMT
Can’t be arsed to Google him but who is he
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Post by Boothen on Jan 6, 2021 21:38:13 GMT
Dear USA
If you want Assange so fucking bad, then you can have him. Simply hand over Anne Sacoolas and he's yours.
Yours faithfully
The UK
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