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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 23, 2020 19:39:39 GMT
7 from me, didn't do a lot wrong given the players he had at his disposal and the quality of the opposition. Gouranga.  |
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 23, 2020 20:45:40 GMT
7 here too, for a lot of that game we lived with a proper European football team - if we'd had the firepower to take the game to them, different story maybe. IF we go up next season, with a few decent signings we won't be out of our depth. Mick certainly won't once he's adjusted to the pace.
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Post by adamsson on Dec 23, 2020 20:52:00 GMT
7 were well beaten and never looked like getting anything from the game.
But we weren't embarrassed we can leave with our heads held high. Let's face Spurs are one of the best teams in the country and taking the Cup seriously
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 21:52:17 GMT
Not sure what more Oneil could have done? We were beaten by a better side, and were punished by our own mistakes. I was disappointed with our ball retention but again I can’t blame oneil for that
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 23, 2020 22:25:11 GMT
8.
Gave it a decent crack considering the circumstances. We were well beaten in the end, but certainly not embarrassed by a very strong side that could well be challenging for the title this year.
Good experience for the youngsters. Would have loved to see that game with a full house and a full strength side, but it is what it is.
Now it’s back to the main business of battling for points on Satdee.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 23, 2020 22:28:10 GMT
6.
Would have been a 7 but it’s really starting to piss me off how we start every match so slowly. Why can’t he get them fired up and starting on the front foot?
Off the top of my head I can only think of the Brentford match where we’ve started the better side.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 23, 2020 22:30:06 GMT
Not sure what more Oneil could have done? We were beaten by a better side, and were punished by our own mistakes. I was disappointed with our ball retention but again I can’t blame oneil for that Ball retention is definitely something you can blame the manager for. It’s equally as bad in the league and clearly something we haven’t done much work on since the manager has been at the club. |
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Post by tosh on Dec 23, 2020 23:55:21 GMT
Not sure what more Oneil could have done? We were beaten by a better side, and were punished by our own mistakes. I was disappointed with our ball retention but again I can’t blame oneil for that Ball retention is definitely something you can blame the manager for. It’s equally as bad in the league and clearly something we haven’t done much work on since the manager has been at the club. I would guess he works on everything. He seems very thorough. It’s just that we don’t have enough technically good players and he hasn’t been able to buy improvements yet for FFP reasons etc., He’s working miracles with what he’s got though. He’s getting a tune out of players who were totally written off before he came. |
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 24, 2020 4:52:26 GMT
Not sure what more Oneil could have done? We were beaten by a better side, and were punished by our own mistakes. I was disappointed with our ball retention but again I can’t blame oneil for that Ball retention is definitely something you can blame the manager for. It’s equally as bad in the league and clearly something we haven’t done much work on since the manager has been at the club. Good point. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 24, 2020 10:16:20 GMT
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Piss poor. Spurs were there for the taking. Our 41 year old centre back pairing really should be bossing Kane, Bale & Son.
Merry Christmas Michael, you've ruined mine.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 24, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
8
That first 15/20 minutes of the second half showed what an influence he has. After a fifteen minute pep talk from Sir Michael the lads came out transformed.
Brown delivered a ball reminiscent of Pennant in his prime and Thompson delivered a finish as good as any we’ve seen in recent years.
Let’s be honest if he can get players of their ability performing at that level he’s a genius.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2020 10:55:27 GMT
Not sure what more Oneil could have done? We were beaten by a better side, and were punished by our own mistakes. I was disappointed with our ball retention but again I can’t blame oneil for that Ball retention is definitely something you can blame the manager for. It’s equally as bad in the league and clearly something we haven’t done much work on since the manager has been at the club. ??? So the fact players can't pass a ball ten yards to a team mate is his fault? We have played twice a week nearly every week since he was appointed. With a recovery day after every match, one day off a week, talking shape and tactics for the next match, working on set pieces and travelling to away matches when exactly do you suggest he works on ball retention, a skill which should be a prerequisite for professional footballers? |
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Post by milky on Dec 24, 2020 10:56:54 GMT
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The plan was obviously to get to half time still in the game ( we were )then have a good go 2and half to get back in it ( we did )
Ultimately 2 bits of sloppy play we would probably have got away with in the league was our undoing but at 1-1 it really was game on.
Would have been 8 but Brown off for Vokes stunted us I thought.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 24, 2020 13:31:44 GMT
Ball retention is definitely something you can blame the manager for. It’s equally as bad in the league and clearly something we haven’t done much work on since the manager has been at the club. ??? So the fact players can't pass a ball ten yards to a team mate is his fault? We have played twice a week nearly every week since he was appointed. With a recovery day after every match, one day off a week, talking shape and tactics for the next match, working on set pieces and travelling to away matches when exactly do you suggest he works on ball retention, a skill which should be a prerequisite for professional footballers? He’s been in charge over a year now, our passing has regressed in that time. Bielsa turned a bang average Championship side into the best side in the league in the space of a pre-season. We’ve got players in the side who can pass the ball, it’s pretty clear the manager doesn’t want us passing the ball at the moment, wether or not that changes we’ll have to wait and see. |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 24, 2020 13:35:33 GMT
8 from me. I don't think our manager could have got anything more out of the players than they gave considering who we were up against.
A decent Championship side ravaged by injuries against a top, top side containing some of the world's best players and we were not disgraced. 4-2 to Spurs would have been a fair scoreline but what you can't do with a side like them is make ANY mistakes or they will punish you. I thought their 1st goal was dead flukey but they had a goal ruled out that should have stood. The one thing I was dreading was that we'd get a proper tonking of 6/7 against us. Brentford got through, and good luck to them, but they weren't playing a side anywhere near as good as Spurs.
So, disappointed, but not down. Now back to the bread and butter.
OS.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 24, 2020 13:40:01 GMT
I think people's reaction, comes as a direct result of just how far we sunk, pre MON. Yes we had and have an appalling number of injuries,yes they had good players, but hell we were awful first half. These aren't pub players, they are on thousands per week and we should expect way more than we got first half..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
8 for me...considering injuries etc was a real good effort but wouldn't have risked Powell or Fletcher for this as Coventry far more important.
All this call for Verlinden is nonsense, he's done nothing to warrant a start or suggest he is up to this level so far. N"Goy all over again. NJ summed him up last night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 14:00:34 GMT
Agree with the decent showing ,given all the injuries theme
We are Stoke ,not spurs , if we have got injuries we don't start giving the likes of Gareth bale and dele Alli a game , because better players are unavailable .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 14:07:49 GMT
I can't make mind up about verlinden
We had a kid at school , who had a trial for man utd , and you could tell he was a cut above , because he would take the ball on the half turn and was half way past his man with his first touch.
That's nothing unusual and you would expect any pro footballer , to do that often . Except at Stoke ! Where verlinden is one of the few to do this .
He looks the part , the way he receives the ball , his first touch etc
Then again , he might be a bit too lightweight ?
There is a player in there, for sure .
Whether he will make the grade is hard to say .
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2020 14:11:40 GMT
??? So the fact players can't pass a ball ten yards to a team mate is his fault? We have played twice a week nearly every week since he was appointed. With a recovery day after every match, one day off a week, talking shape and tactics for the next match, working on set pieces and travelling to away matches when exactly do you suggest he works on ball retention, a skill which should be a prerequisite for professional footballers? He’s been in charge over a year now, our passing has regressed in that time. Bielsa turned a bang average Championship side into the best side in the league in the space of a pre-season. We’ve got players in the side who can pass the ball, it’s pretty clear the manager doesn’t want us passing the ball at the moment, wether or not that changes we’ll have to wait and see. Totally disagree - the likes of Batth, McLean, Tymon, Vokes, Brown find it almost impossible to play the ball to a player close to them. Last night Spurs second goal came about because Souttar kicked the ball in a different direction from the one he was intending and the third because Thompson couldn't control a ball passed to him. (Might have got those the wrong way round, can't remember). Those mistakes were not because MON doesn't want them to pass to each other. How many times is a ball kicked too far ahead of the receiver even if the intention is good. The players he's brought into the club - Chester, Mikel, Fox and Fletcher are good passers so you can't say he doesn't want us to pass. What he doesn't seem to like is the meaningless passing between centre halves and the gk which we were doing all the time but which now has been cut out. I even noticed one occasion last night when instead of heading a ball as far as he could Batth glanced one sideways to a Stoke player. Our passing in the final third I would agree is abysmal but to be fair we've hardly played the same players twice with Clucas, Fletcher and now Campbell injured which hardly gives him a chance to practise those little triangles, and creating space. Powell is probably one of the most wasteful in terms of losing possession but that's because he's trying to be creative. As Mourinho said those passing and possession stats are useless because you want to know where the passes are made and where the possession is. Often centre halves top the pass completion stats because all they are doing is passing to each other whereas midfielders and forwards are being more, ambitious and creative. |
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