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Post by pmjh on Dec 20, 2020 15:38:21 GMT
As much as I believe as bad as we are we could get promoted on form and a lot of luck. It is like I don't want us too unless there's a plan in place already to give us a half chance of staying up if we do make it. Having seen how MON makes and execute plans as an international manager - and as a club manager at Stoke, he doesn't come across as the sort of manager who would not have a plan as to how to cope with promotion. And, don't forget, getting promoted to the Prem is by far the best and quickest way to remove the monkey of FFP restrictions off our back. Our annual income would, at a stroke, increase by over £100 million, meaning that life would be much easier for MON in that he would have decent money to improve the squad compared to this season when the amount he has had to spend on players is lower than any other Stoke manager since the pre Pulis days. Couldn't agree more. The squad we went up with last time was no great shakes, and a fair few of them were on loan. So much so that Paddy power were paying out on us to go down after one game and a fair few of the fans and pundits were convinced we would ' do a Derby'. I think it might take a couple of seasons before we are contenders for automatic. But if we do go up sooner I'm equally sure that MOM is the right man to cling to a premier league place,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 15:50:16 GMT
We're nowhere near good enough to go up in my opinion but what he's done to change the mentality and guts of the shambolic weak willed mob he inherited, isn't far short of a miracle. Why not? We’ve shown we are. But I’ve never bought that the issue was the players, they were being managed badly. MON has come in and just done basic things and done what I would have done..:..use the young players and build a side around them. I’ve been saying it for years. It was the obvious thing to do and would see shoot you the league. Here we are. It’s just not a shock. You want to read the interview in the Athletic if you think everything is hunky dory. You live on cloud cuckoo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 15:50:20 GMT
There’s no excuse for it. And that’s all it will be. So he was just supposed to come in on a Friday, pick a team for the next day and just overlook 25 senior pros and bring in kids who weren’t even training with the first team? If he didn’t know about Campbell and Collins before he came here I’d be worried yes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 15:51:19 GMT
Why not? We’ve shown we are. But I’ve never bought that the issue was the players, they were being managed badly. MON has come in and just done basic things and done what I would have done..:..use the young players and build a side around them. I’ve been saying it for years. It was the obvious thing to do and would see shoot you the league. Here we are. It’s just not a shock. You want to read the interview in the Athletic if you think everything is hunky dory. You live on cloud cuckoo The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 15:53:17 GMT
Because Brown has been garbage and needs dropping. McClean has been poor and has needed dropping. And you’ve got to wonder why Fletcher isn’t scoring the amount of goals I’d expect him to? Supply from wide areas? There’s no reason not to be playing Verlinden. What if his attitude stinks? What if MON thinks his defensive game isn’t good enough at the moment? What if he doesn’t link well with the other players around him in the starting eleven? What if his fitness levels aren’t good enough to be starting a game? What if he shagged Beagrie’s Mrs in the players bath? It doesn’t in the u23 games and tbh if it isn’t great it’s still better than playing shit where it counts. Then he’s an idiot. You play him in a game and allow that to form. He’s been playing for the u23s since September, it’s a lazy excuse. Good on the lad.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 20, 2020 15:54:41 GMT
He’s put them in at the right time. If you’re correct about them coming in 18 months too late then that’s the fault of the previous manager. Nothing to do with MON being “scared”. He really hasn’t. He got there in the end with them but he was way too reluctant with them. It is definitely. And yes he has been scared with them. But we are getting there, so that’s good. Your wasted on here, you should give Peter and Jon a call, we’d soon be back in the Premier then👍
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Post by logdog on Dec 20, 2020 15:56:05 GMT
You want to read the interview in the Athletic if you think everything is hunky dory. You live on cloud cuckoo The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious. The more you hear, the more you are in awe of the job that MON did getting a tune out of the rabble he inherited. You are spot on tonyellis. You are also banging your head against a wall trying to explain that to Bayern, mate.😂
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 20, 2020 15:59:12 GMT
So he was just supposed to come in on a Friday, pick a team for the next day and just overlook 25 senior pros and bring in kids who weren’t even training with the first team? If he didn’t know about Campbell and Collins before he came here I’d be worried yes. Too late for that now. He would have “known” about every player in the club. Getting around to evaluating all of them, in amongst wankers like Etebo, Badou, and Woods banging on his door and demanding transfers, takes time and a bit of patience.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 15:59:25 GMT
He really hasn’t. He got there in the end with them but he was way too reluctant with them. It is definitely. And yes he has been scared with them. But we are getting there, so that’s good. Your wasted on here, you should give Peter and Jon a call, we’d soon be back in the Premier then👍 You’re not wrong. Throwing the kids in is what is turning us around 👍
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:00:39 GMT
The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious. The more you hear, the more you are in awe of the job that MON did getting a tune out of the rabble he inherited. You are spot on tonyellis. You are also banging your head against a wall trying to explain that to Bayern, mate.😂 It wasn’t a rabble. They just weren’t being managed. I was saying it at the time and this has just proven it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:01:44 GMT
If he didn’t know about Campbell and Collins before he came here I’d be worried yes. Too late for that now. He would have “known” about every player in the club. Getting around to evaluating all of them, in amongst wankers like Etebo, Badou, and Woods banging on his door and demanded transfers, takes time and a bit of patience. Re Woods did he demand a transfer? I was thinking about him earlier actually. He’s better than most of our midfielders pretty easily, a shame if he is a dick.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2020 16:02:21 GMT
What if his attitude stinks? What if MON thinks his defensive game isn’t good enough at the moment? What if he doesn’t link well with the other players around him in the starting eleven? What if his fitness levels aren’t good enough to be starting a game? What if he shagged Beagrie’s Mrs in the players bath? It doesn’t in the u23 games and tbh if it isn’t great it’s still better than playing shit where it counts. Then he’s an idiot. You play him in a game and allow that to form. He’s been playing for the u23s since September, it’s a lazy excuse. Good on the lad. Never change Bayern. Never change 😂😂
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 20, 2020 16:04:04 GMT
Too late for that now. He would have “known” about every player in the club. Getting around to evaluating all of them, in amongst wankers like Etebo, Badou, and Woods banging on his door and demanded transfers, takes time and a bit of patience. Re Woods did he demand a transfer? I was thinking about him earlier actually. He’s better than most of our midfielders pretty easily, a shame if he is a dick. He was carted off on loan within six weeks of MON being here so I think all the evidence points to it. Another one given ample opportunity and proving to be a shit house.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:04:39 GMT
It doesn’t in the u23 games and tbh if it isn’t great it’s still better than playing shit where it counts. Then he’s an idiot. You play him in a game and allow that to form. He’s been playing for the u23s since September, it’s a lazy excuse. Good on the lad. Never change Bayern. Never change 😂😂 There’s an answer for everything though. It makes absolutely no sense as to why he’s not playing and someone like Brown who has been struggling badly is. I will take someone being shit and we can see that over factors we can’t see. Brown has been very lucky.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:05:23 GMT
Re Woods did he demand a transfer? I was thinking about him earlier actually. He’s better than most of our midfielders pretty easily, a shame if he is a dick. He was carted off on loan within six weeks of MON being here so I think all the evidence points to it. Another one given ample opportunity and proving to be a shit house. Possibly. But he’s on hefty wages so I don’t think it’s so black and white.
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Post by logdog on Dec 20, 2020 16:07:39 GMT
The more you hear, the more you are in awe of the job that MON did getting a tune out of the rabble he inherited. You are spot on tonyellis. You are also banging your head against a wall trying to explain that to Bayern, mate.😂 It wasn’t a rabble. They just weren’t being managed. I was saying it at the time and this has just proven it. That’s exactly what a rabble is. A load of players who do what they want and don’t/won’t/can’t carry out the instructions of their manager(s). Previous managers had tried to manage them and couldn’t and instead just kept adding more players to the payroll. He has had to and still is trying to deal with that scenario.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:12:52 GMT
It wasn’t a rabble. They just weren’t being managed. I was saying it at the time and this has just proven it. That’s exactly what a rabble is. A load of players who do what they want and don’t/won’t/can’t carry out the instructions of their manager(s). Previous managers had tried to manage them and couldn’t and instead just kept adding more players to the payroll. He has had to and still is trying to deal with that scenario. Jones didn’t know what day it was. The worst manager in our history. The way he did things was never going to work for us and he couldn’t organise a side for us. The manager was always the issue. Of bad Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones, the only ok manager was Rowett. And Rowett did for Rowett. We were where I expected under Rowett, the promotion calls were mad. And the players he bought didn’t match what he wanted to do. It was clearly not going to end well. As for Lambert, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. None of them knew what they were doing, they had muddled plans, awful tactics and didn’t adapt.
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Post by logdog on Dec 20, 2020 16:13:11 GMT
Your wasted on here, you should give Peter and Jon a call, we’d soon be back in the Premier then👍 You’re not wrong. Throwing the kids in is what is turning us around 👍 But he hasn’t just thrown the kids in. He’s waited until he could get some model pro”s like Chester, Obi Mikel and Fletcher around them to help mentor them. If he’d chucked them in with some of the bad apples who were in the squad before, whose to say they wouldn’t have ended up with the same shitty attitudes. We were also in the thick of a relegation scrap. Not ideal for young, inexperienced lads.
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Post by logdog on Dec 20, 2020 16:15:16 GMT
That’s exactly what a rabble is. A load of players who do what they want and don’t/won’t/can’t carry out the instructions of their manager(s). Previous managers had tried to manage them and couldn’t and instead just kept adding more players to the payroll. He has had to and still is trying to deal with that scenario. Jones didn’t know what day it was. The worst manager in our history. The way he did things was never going to work for us and he couldn’t organise a side for us. The manager was always the issue. Of bad Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones, the only ok manager was Rowett. And Rowett did for Rowett. We were where I expected under Rowett, the promotion calls were mad. And the players he bought didn’t match what he wanted to do. It was clearly not going to end well. As for Lambert, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. None of them knew what they were doing, they had muddled plans, awful tactics and didn’t adapt. Exactly, you’ve got a load of managers there who couldn’t sort out the mess. The only one who could was MON. He’s doing a brilliant job. You’re contradicting yourself!😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 16:23:38 GMT
You want to read the interview in the Athletic if you think everything is hunky dory. You live on cloud cuckoo The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious. You need a culture in place first so the young players can flourish. Players like your mate Chester are instrumental in this according to O'Neill. Souttar and Collins still need a lot of direction and help in this phase of their careers. Learning from top class pros is very important. Same with Campbell and the example set by Fletcher in the gym and in training according to the manager. He will learn that natural ability alone is not enough. Application and desire is just as important. It's just not as straight forward as you make it sound. How many talented young players fall by the wayside?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 16:30:54 GMT
The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious. The more you hear, the more you are in awe of the job that MON did getting a tune out of the rabble he inherited. You are spot on tonyellis. You are also banging your head against a wall trying to explain that to Bayern, mate.😂 I know, don't worry I'll give up soon 😂😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:43:16 GMT
Jones didn’t know what day it was. The worst manager in our history. The way he did things was never going to work for us and he couldn’t organise a side for us. The manager was always the issue. Of bad Hughes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones, the only ok manager was Rowett. And Rowett did for Rowett. We were where I expected under Rowett, the promotion calls were mad. And the players he bought didn’t match what he wanted to do. It was clearly not going to end well. As for Lambert, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. None of them knew what they were doing, they had muddled plans, awful tactics and didn’t adapt. Exactly, you’ve got a load of managers there who couldn’t sort out the mess. The only one who could was MON. He’s doing a brilliant job. You’re contradicting yourself!😂 Because they were awful managers doing the basics wrong! No I’m not. Rowett sorted them out to a degree, his football and attitude did for him. Not the players. The rest were awful and lost their minds. The manager ie they were the issue. That’s my point. The players were being badly managed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 16:46:17 GMT
The club was a mess but the squad was and is fine. The young players are brilliant and to build around them was obvious. You need a culture in place first so the young players can flourish. Players like your mate Chester are instrumental in this according to O'Neill. Souttar and Collins still need a lot of direction and help in this phase of their careers. Learning from top class pros is very important. Same with Campbell and the example set by Fletcher in the gym and in training according to the manager. He will learn that natural ability alone is not enough. Application and desire is just as important. It's just not as straight forward as you make it sound. How many talented young players fall by the wayside? The young players are the culture. They’ve had Shawcross around who is better than Chester at everything. Look at how average Chester’s career is (it surprised me). Campbell was showing everything before Fletcher became a Stoke player. Loads but these lads and others are better than that and have been for some time. I don’t say it for shite and giggles and I’m enormously smug that they’re doing it!
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Post by andystokey on Dec 20, 2020 16:59:27 GMT
My own thoughts are........... Voltage = Amps X Resistance Therefore Amps = Voltage/ Resistance I'd be more comfortable if you would use the word Current rather than the SI unit of measure. If you could add the caveat: at a fixed set of experimental conditions and for most (but not all) electrically conductive materials but not for A.C circuits unless the load is purely resistive. I'd agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 17:12:49 GMT
You need a culture in place first so the young players can flourish. Players like your mate Chester are instrumental in this according to O'Neill. Souttar and Collins still need a lot of direction and help in this phase of their careers. Learning from top class pros is very important. Same with Campbell and the example set by Fletcher in the gym and in training according to the manager. He will learn that natural ability alone is not enough. Application and desire is just as important. It's just not as straight forward as you make it sound. How many talented young players fall by the wayside? The young players are the culture. They’ve had Shawcross around who is better than Chester at everything. Look at how average Chester’s career is (it surprised me). Campbell was showing everything before Fletcher became a Stoke player. Loads but these lads and others are better than that and have been for some time. I don’t say it for shite and giggles and I’m enormously smug that they’re doing it! I'm not sure about Shawcross anymore, I think he's tainted by failure. I agree a much better player than Chester but his head visibly drops very easily nowadays and he has not been properly fit for two seasons. Campbell's fitness levels have improved massively since Fletcher has been here. Coincidence? Not according to the man who knows, if you read between the lines. I don't know why you are so smug about Souttar. I don't recall you being a great champion of his before this season (apologies if that's wrong). Collins I will give you but I think we all know he is a huge talent. Some of us just have a little more patience. I believe he will become a tremendous CB but he isn't there yet as some of his performances at CB have shown.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2020 17:17:56 GMT
Too late for that now. He would have “known” about every player in the club. Getting around to evaluating all of them, in amongst wankers like Etebo, Badou, and Woods banging on his door and demanded transfers, takes time and a bit of patience. Re Woods did he demand a transfer? I was thinking about him earlier actually. He’s better than most of our midfielders pretty easily, a shame if he is a dick. Woods came into training every day telling everyone how many days before the window opened Any players good bad whatever if that's their attitude can fuck off.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 20, 2020 17:22:49 GMT
Re Woods did he demand a transfer? I was thinking about him earlier actually. He’s better than most of our midfielders pretty easily, a shame if he is a dick. Woods came into training every day telling everyone how many days before the window opened Any players good bad whatever if that's their attitude can fuck off. Really hope he’s enjoying his dream move to Millwall.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 20, 2020 18:07:17 GMT
My own thoughts are........... Voltage = Amps X Resistance Therefore Amps = Voltage/ Resistance I'd be more comfortable if you would use the word Current rather than the SI unit of measure. If you could add the caveat: at a fixed set of experimental conditions and for most (but not all) electrically conductive materials but not for A.C circuits unless the load is purely resistive. I'd agree with you. As a marine engineer the basic electrical theory was my limit. Changing fuses, batteries, bulbs, wiring plugs and sockets was my practical limit. However steam turbines, gas turbines, marine Diesel engines, gearing, propellers and shafting, hydraulics, HP and LP air, refrigeration theory, ship stability are all second nature.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2020 20:22:40 GMT
Never change Bayern. Never change 😂😂 There’s an answer for everything though. It makes absolutely no sense as to why he’s not playing and someone like Brown who has been struggling badly is. I will take someone being shit and we can see that over factors we can’t see. Brown has been very lucky. I think Brown has worked hard. Run himself into the ground. He’s lacking quality but he’s got loads of heart. At the moment that’s getting us over the line. If, when he gets his chance, Verlinden delivers that level of desire with his obvious quality then I’ve no doubt MON makes him a fixture.
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Post by logdog on Dec 20, 2020 20:30:01 GMT
Exactly, you’ve got a load of managers there who couldn’t sort out the mess. The only one who could was MON. He’s doing a brilliant job. You’re contradicting yourself!😂 Because they were awful managers doing the basics wrong! No I’m not. Rowett sorted them out to a degree, his football and attitude did for him. Not the players. The rest were awful and lost their minds. The manager ie they were the issue. That’s my point. The players were being badly managed. If MON had been given the money to spend that Rowett was, we would be running away with this league. And how, exactly, were the players badly managed???
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