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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Dec 9, 2020 8:04:05 GMT
If he is out, brown needs to play up top, then mclean and verlinden/ince on wings. We cannot play with vokes or Gregory, both toss. Im not browns biggest fan but he has pace and harries opposing defenders all game. Something vokes and Gregory don't do (pigeon chested gregory huffs and puffs but is almost as bad as vokes). When fletcher back then try combination of ince, brown, verlinden, mclean rotating....
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 9, 2020 8:04:09 GMT
That just about sums our season up in one sentence To be fair though, this just shows we're not really ready to go up yet. If we can keep hold of MON and key players we'll be in much better shape next season 👍🏼 It's never too early to get promoted.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 8:12:18 GMT
If he is out, brown needs to play up top, then mclean and verlinden/ince on wings. We cannot play with vokes or Gregory, both toss. Im not browns biggest fan but he has pace and harries opposing defenders all game. Something vokes and Gregory don't do (pigeon chested gregory huffs and puffs but is almost as bad as vokes). When fletcher back then try combination of ince, brown, verlinden, mclean rotating.... We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 9, 2020 8:14:36 GMT
If he is out, brown needs to play up top, then mclean and verlinden/ince on wings. We cannot play with vokes or Gregory, both toss. Im not browns biggest fan but he has pace and harries opposing defenders all game. Something vokes and Gregory don't do (pigeon chested gregory huffs and puffs but is almost as bad as vokes). When fletcher back then try combination of ince, brown, verlinden, mclean rotating.... We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 8:15:41 GMT
If he is out, brown needs to play up top, then mclean and verlinden/ince on wings. We cannot play with vokes or Gregory, both toss. Im not browns biggest fan but he has pace and harries opposing defenders all game. Something vokes and Gregory don't do (pigeon chested gregory huffs and puffs but is almost as bad as vokes). When fletcher back then try combination of ince, brown, verlinden, mclean rotating.... We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Your blind loyalty for Ince is laughable
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 9, 2020 8:19:24 GMT
We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level. You can file Ince in the same folder as Vokes - you know, the one in the attic that is entitled - "has been/wasters"
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 9, 2020 8:20:37 GMT
To be fair though, this just shows we're not really ready to go up yet. If we can keep hold of MON and key players we'll be in much better shape next season 👍🏼 It's never too early to get promoted. Agree but another season in this division will give the young players more positive experience. It's frightening how the gap has grown since we were relegated. Look at Norwich who were untouchable the year they were promoted but could hardly win a Premier match. Look at how badly the 3 relegated teams performed last year yet how strong they look now. It didn't do Leeds any harm having an extra year in the Championship and now they look the best promoted team for a while. Having said that I hope Campbell isn't out long term and if he is the prospects look bleak with no young forwards in the academy either. We' ve got to recruit academy age forwards in the window. That young fwd Mo Sanko going in the summer looks dreadful now. Not Stoke's fault and I hope now he sees our position he might be regretting his decision.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 9, 2020 8:23:26 GMT
Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level. You can file Ince in the same folder as Vokes - you know, the one in the attic that is entitled - "has been/wasters" 40 appearances last season. Three goals and two assists.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 8:28:53 GMT
We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Your blind loyalty for Ince is laughable Not really. We need to use him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 8:29:55 GMT
Your blind loyalty for Ince is laughable Not really. We need to use him. The sooner he’s out of our club the better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 8:31:36 GMT
Not really. We need to use him. The sooner he’s out of our club the better Oh I agree but for now we need to use him and get over ourselves with him tbh. A way better option than Vokes. And if he does do well then we should be able to sell him. It’s a no brainer.
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 9, 2020 8:39:57 GMT
To be fair though, this just shows we're not really ready to go up yet. If we can keep hold of MON and key players we'll be in much better shape next season 👍🏼 It's never too early to get promoted. Wasn't so much meant like that, but we're not quite there/good enough imo. We could scrape a playoff spot maybe, but I wouldn't be confident going against anybody given our record to teams above us so far.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 9, 2020 8:44:04 GMT
If he is out, brown needs to play up top, then mclean and verlinden/ince on wings. We cannot play with vokes or Gregory, both toss. Im not browns biggest fan but he has pace and harries opposing defenders all game. Something vokes and Gregory don't do (pigeon chested gregory huffs and puffs but is almost as bad as vokes). When fletcher back then try combination of ince, brown, verlinden, mclean rotating.... McLeans missing the Derby game through suspension so will be forced into playing Ince or Verlinden on Saturday, perhaps both. Only consolation is that Ince usually has an OK game v Derby although wouldn't hold my breath..!
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Post by werrington on Dec 9, 2020 8:44:47 GMT
We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level. So were Campbell,Souttar,Collins,Tymon and Bursik Until a player starts to play at a level you are never know until they’ve played it Using that scenario every single player in history has never been ready for the level they play at
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 9, 2020 9:10:01 GMT
Vokes is different to Ince
Vokes I believe is actually trying but sadly he’s finished at this level of football
Ince is nothing short of a gutless oxygen thief who I believe still has something to give but chooses not to
Given the choice I’d take vokes instead of Ince any day at least vokes may get lucky and the ball hits him and goes into the net As for Ince it’s difficult to score when you’re actively avoiding the ball
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 9, 2020 9:25:03 GMT
Vokes is different to Ince Vokes I believe is actually trying but sadly he’s finished at this level of football Ince is nothing short of a gutless oxygen thief who I believe still has something to give but chooses not to Given the choice I’d take vokes instead of Ince any day at least vokes may get lucky and the ball hits him and goes into the net As for Ince it’s difficult to score when you’re actively avoiding the ball I've been thinking about this after calming down from last nights defeat. Is Vokes actually that bad? Due to his physique perhaps hes one of those players that needs to play regularly to maintain his fitness. Hes obviously been a good player in his time, however that's always been as part of a two. There is just no merit in him playing him up front on his own. None whatsoever. Saying that it was a bloody lazy penalty and it was definitely a poor substitution from the manager. I genuinely dont know about Vokes. Ince however is a complete coward.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 9, 2020 9:34:43 GMT
Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level. So were Campbell,Souttar,Collins,Tymon and Bursik Until a player starts to play at a level you are never know until they’ve played it Using that scenario every single player in history has never been ready for the level they play at I’m not sure the manager rates him mate. I know he’s coming back from a bad injury but MON seems reluctant to use him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 9, 2020 9:41:09 GMT
Powell and Campbell are our match winners. Either of them are out for any length of time we are in trouble
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Post by werrington on Dec 9, 2020 9:43:14 GMT
So were Campbell,Souttar,Collins,Tymon and Bursik Until a player starts to play at a level you are never know until they’ve played it Using that scenario every single player in history has never been ready for the level they play at I’m not sure the manager rates him mate. I know he’s coming back from a bad injury but MON seems reluctant to use him. He’s slowly getting him back ready for the first team mick Honestly I thought he’d be loaned back out in January to get him back up to speed but with the games coming thick and fast and injuries piling up I think he’ll be a valuable squad member just like the others He rated him enough to recall him from Bolton last January and put him straight on the bench Fingers crossed mate
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Post by kronkie on Dec 9, 2020 9:43:31 GMT
I’m just hoping because he walked around the pitch it’s not as bad as it looked. I bloody hope not anyway. You would have thought anything major then the stretcher would have been out I hope your right but not trying to put your theory in doubt is the bojan walked off the pitch at Rochdale.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 9, 2020 9:45:05 GMT
Wonder when we’ll find out?
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Post by werrington on Dec 9, 2020 9:48:00 GMT
Wonder when we’ll find out? There seems to be a media blackout in regards that sort of information as unless I’ve missed it nobody has said how long our injured players are out for? Only Davies who we were told medial ligaments and 6 weeks is the only one I’m aware of
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 9, 2020 9:56:02 GMT
Vokes is different to Ince Vokes I believe is actually trying but sadly he’s finished at this level of football Ince is nothing short of a gutless oxygen thief who I believe still has something to give but chooses not to Given the choice I’d take vokes instead of Ince any day at least vokes may get lucky and the ball hits him and goes into the net As for Ince it’s difficult to score when you’re actively avoiding the ball I've been thinking about this after calming down from last nights defeat. Is Vokes actually that bad? Due to his physique perhaps hes one of those players that needs to play regularly to maintain his fitness. Hes obviously been a good player in his time, however that's always been as part of a two. There is just no merit in him playing him up front on his own. None whatsoever. Saying that it was a bloody lazy penalty and it was definitely a poor substitution from the manager. I genuinely dont know about Vokes. Ince however is a complete coward. Can he not just train harder? I do have sympathy as when your legs go that’s that, but he still looks in shocking shape for bloke that’s 31 and never relied on pace. Surely we should be able to get more out of him.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 9, 2020 9:57:08 GMT
Wonder when we’ll find out? There seems to be a media blackout in regards that sort of information as unless I’ve missed it nobody has said how long our injured players are out for? Only Davies who we were told medial ligaments and 6 weeks is the only one I’m aware of That’s a very good point. Gunn, Thompson, Mikel, Batth etc, no idea what’s wrong with them or how long they are out for. The club aren’t being very transparent at all.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 9, 2020 10:03:54 GMT
Massive, massive loss.
Just so Stoke.
We need someone or something else other than Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:04:24 GMT
It's never too early to get promoted. Agree but another season in this division will give the young players more positive experience. It's frightening how the gap has grown since we were relegated. Look at Norwich who were untouchable the year they were promoted but could hardly win a Premier match. Look at how badly the 3 relegated teams performed last year yet how strong they look now. It didn't do Leeds any harm having an extra year in the Championship and now they look the best promoted team for a while. Having said that I hope Campbell isn't out long term and if he is the prospects look bleak with no young forwards in the academy either. We' ve got to recruit academy age forwards in the window. That young fwd Mo Sanko going in the summer looks dreadful now. Not Stoke's fault and I hope now he sees our position he might be regretting his decision. The problem with that approach is that Leeds probably said the same thing in 2005 but it ended up taking them 15 years before they were promoted. They ended up taking extreme measures to get there, which we are unlikely to. Michael O'Neill is a good manager for us but he is no Bielsa.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Dec 9, 2020 10:07:58 GMT
Well if it is a few weeks out for Campbell I suppose the timing is better before the transfer window than after.
i don't expect us to pay big money but we will have to see who our new recruitment team can come up with probably from the lower divisions.
To keep the pace in the team, which was so noticeable we did not have as soon as Campbell and Brown went off, we have to hope that Verlinden is ready to step forward.
We could do with lady luck treating us a bit better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:09:36 GMT
So were Campbell,Souttar,Collins,Tymon and Bursik Until a player starts to play at a level you are never know until they’ve played it Using that scenario every single player in history has never been ready for the level they play at I’m not sure the manager rates him mate. I know he’s coming back from a bad injury but MON seems reluctant to use him. I'm sure he rates him very highly. But he is over protective of a player coming back from injury. I'm not sure that's a good approach. He's been playing football for a month or more with no ill effects, but he could get injured in training on Friday. Then what?
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Post by werrington on Dec 9, 2020 10:13:20 GMT
There seems to be a media blackout in regards that sort of information as unless I’ve missed it nobody has said how long our injured players are out for? Only Davies who we were told medial ligaments and 6 weeks is the only one I’m aware of That’s a very good point. Gunn, Thompson, Mikel, Batth etc, no idea what’s wrong with them or how long they are out for. The club aren’t being very transparent at all. Throw Clucas and Gregory into that pot also
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 9, 2020 10:13:59 GMT
We’ve got the flair/creative players to play behind Fletcher for sure. Losing Campbell would be crap but Verlinden and Ince will score goals in this league and offer us that bit of something different. He has to use them/ Ince is shit and Verlinden is completely unproven at this level. Thats no argument, so were Collins and Souttar, they've got to be given a chance some time.
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