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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:44 GMT
5 picked a team from the wounded ranks and almost pulled it off, gets marked down for bringing on Vokes and letting him take the penalty, then trying to defend a 1-1 scoreline and we paid the price for the negativity. Very poor subs. Gouranga.  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:11:00 GMT
3, the starting line up was sound, what he did next was not and it heledp throw away the game, bringing Vokes on and then Shawcross was rediculous decision making, but its what you get from nagative managers, still we're in a decent position so hopefully its just a blip.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 8, 2020 22:12:31 GMT
5 picked a team from the wounded ranks and almost pulled it off, gets marked down for bringing on Vokes and letting him take the penalty, then trying to defend a 1-1 scoreline and we paid the price for the negativity. Very poor subs. Gouranga. Letting him take the penalty? I must have looked away when MON ran on and gave the ball to Vokes. |
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Post by chad on Dec 8, 2020 22:13:20 GMT
5. It was a 9 but he lost 4 for bringing the Wardrobe on when Ince or Verlinden would have been much better To be fair my granny would have been better
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:13:47 GMT
This was MON worst performance. He cost us all three points.
Campbell got injured so Ince should have come on. Vokes shouldn’t be on the bench. If I can see how poor, slow he is, then surely he can!
He SHOULDNT have allowed Vokes to take the penalty. Anyone else has a better chance of scoring.
Then finally he should have taken him off at 1-1 as it was plain to see we needed to try and hold on to a point. We had no outlet. We should have shut up shop and took a point.
TERRIBLE MANAGER TONIGHT. 0/10
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 8, 2020 22:14:16 GMT
Dammit the air at the top tasted so sweet for those few minutes  Agreeing with what's been said, good line-up considering the lack of options (cheers Colin) but we can't be looking for promotion with such a negative gameplan against opposition like Baadiff. Getting deja vu again, I'm sure I was writing exactly these words about Tone more than ten years ago... 5 from me too |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 8, 2020 22:15:33 GMT
5 picked a team from the wounded ranks and almost pulled it off, gets marked down for bringing on Vokes and letting him take the penalty, then trying to defend a 1-1 scoreline and we paid the price for the negativity. Very poor subs. Gouranga. Letting him take the penalty? I must have looked away when MON ran on and gave the ball to Vokes. They MUST decide in training who the designated penalty taker is - surely. MON could have sent word out who should take it not Vokes who's hardly kicked a ball for weeks and had just waddled onto the pitch. Gouranga. |
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Post by kevkj on Dec 8, 2020 22:16:41 GMT
2 Dearie me O'Neil ya cocked that one up.
Verlinden for Campbell all day long.
But no the wardrobe Vokes comes on and the cheeky sod grabs the ball for the penalty.
Shawcross on and invite them on.
Did Mince or the wardrobe touch the ball bar the penalty.
Tough with the injury's but that was bad management im afraid.
We've seen enough of Vokes and Mince to know their Stoke careers are over and they don't give a toss..
Costy points lost them in a tight league
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Post by kustokie on Dec 8, 2020 22:16:45 GMT
0. I think he got it totally wrong because we should have won that easily. Why we resorted to hoof ball is totally beyond me and surely he could have got a message not to let Vokes take the penalty, unless he wanted to boost his confidence, which must now be totally shattered
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 8, 2020 22:18:45 GMT
5 picked a team from the wounded ranks and almost pulled it off, gets marked down for bringing on Vokes and letting him take the penalty, then trying to defend a 1-1 scoreline and we paid the price for the negativity. Very poor subs. Gouranga. Letting him take the penalty? I must have looked away when MON ran on and gave the ball to Vokes. Of course MON has a say in who takes it unless of course we haven't learnt from the Jese/Adam fiasco |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:57 GMT
7 for the team at the start as his options were limited, and the formation wasnt the best as we didnt seem to carry any threat.
However -3 for putting vokes on.
Id have used one of the u23 players before him.
They would have at least ran around a bit.
So its a 4 from me this time.
Be interesting to see what he says in the post match interview, and what he does on Saturday to rectify it.
Just hope we've got some of the wounded back.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:59 GMT
6.
Loses 3 for bringing on Vokes.
He should not select Vokes again unless he gets some legally binding agreement that Vokes will at least try.
Even Pericard tried.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 8, 2020 22:21:51 GMT
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How do you blame a manager for losing 2 forwards to injury and a missed penalty?
Bringing on Shawcross was a bit odd and we didn't adjust to the change in formation but the squad was running on gas at that point.
The team that was put out was walking the game but things largely out of the managers control changed it.
Shit happens.
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Post by pavel on Dec 8, 2020 22:23:36 GMT
Tonight O'Neil got 2 simple subs wrong. Once Campbell came off, it should have been Verlinden or Ince, preferably Verlinden. After the equaliser he also should have kept the same shape and if he wanted Shawcross on, he should have bought him on for Smith and moved Collins over which he had to do anyway later. Vokes shouldn't play another game for us and O'Neil has seen enough of him to know it.
O'Neil is doing a fine job with all the injuries so you can't be too harsh on him
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:26:24 GMT
0. I think he got it totally wrong because we should have won that easily. Why we resorted to hoof ball is totally beyond me and surely he could have got a message not to let Vokes take the penalty, unless he wanted to boost his confidence, which must now be totally shattered We've been playing hoof ball for most of the season, that wasn't really the problem today, bringing on a big lump and taking away any service he may have had was. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:32:34 GMT
3.
We found ourselves cruising to victory without having to do anything.
The subs were very poor, I would love to know why he keeps giving Vokes a chance when he is absolutely piss poor. I’d rather us pack the midfield and break in numbers with pace from verlinden and boothe etc.
As bad as the subs were, the players have to take responsibility. A pathetic pen and poor defending cost us big time
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 8, 2020 22:33:19 GMT
3, he needs to grow a pair....
Seems to timid on big decisions!!!
I kinda get the Vokes substitution, his hands are tied because of injuries.... but SHAWCROSS why???
If you're gonna bring Vokes on then play with wingers, it's no good keep lobbing balls down the middle to him!!!
Give Verlinden a run, and see if we can get some crosses in from the wing, so Vokes can attack the ball, not just stand there and get out jumped by their defender when it's just getting pumped down the middle!!!
Bottled a big decision tonight did O'Neil!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:33:26 GMT
0. I think he got it totally wrong because we should have won that easily. Why we resorted to hoof ball is totally beyond me and surely he could have got a message not to let Vokes take the penalty, unless he wanted to boost his confidence, which must now be totally shattered We've been playing hoof ball for most of the season, that wasn't really the problem today, bringing on a big lump and taking away any service he may have had was. Praise when he does well, which is most of the time recently, but tonight he got it totally wrong. The manager cost us all 3 points. So he gets 0/10 for me. That was O’Neills biggest cock up so far. And if he plays Vokes on Saturday I’ll bang some money on Derby to beat us as we won’t score with that load of shit on the pitch. |
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Post by andyapotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:39:24 GMT
7 How do you blame a manager for losing 2 forwards to injury and a missed penalty? Bringing on Shawcross was a bit odd and we didn't adjust to the change in formation but the squad was running on gas at that point. The team that was put out was walking the game but things largely out of the managers control changed it. Shit happens. I'm in the same place. You can't blame MON for trusting vokes to do a job, but there has to b a point where he finally looses faith. I'm hoping that's soon. If he manages to pick them back up for Derby that will be a massive achievement. |
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Post by Gunslinger on Dec 8, 2020 22:44:51 GMT
2
Picked a great starting XI but got it all wrong after Campbell got injured. Some really shocking decisions handed the initiative to Cardiff.
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 8, 2020 22:47:54 GMT
7 from me up until half time. However his subs were atrocious so he gets a five overall. A game we should never have lost.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 8, 2020 22:48:39 GMT
5 from me. Substations totally wrong and handed the initiative to Cardiff who were no great shakes were they.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 8, 2020 22:48:45 GMT
He’s up against it with our horrific injury list. However that was easily one of his worst games for us. Let’s hope he’s learned a thing or to from it and doesn’t want to feel the pain he’s caused himself again.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2020 22:55:43 GMT
God knows what hel will get in here if we lose at Derby and QPR he’s totally at the mercy of the injury’s anyone could pick a team to lose at Derby if Davis Souttar , Baht , Mikel , clucas , Allen , Fletcher , Campbell , McLean , Thomson, Brown are all unavailable he’ll be a genius if he avoids defeat without that lot .
More pertinent is why are we getting so many is it just bad luck or something to do with conditioning .
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Post by pretzel on Dec 8, 2020 22:57:10 GMT
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Post by kustokie on Dec 8, 2020 23:11:57 GMT
God knows what hel will get in here if we lose at Derby and QPR he’s totally at the mercy of the injury’s anyone could pick a team to lose at Derby if Davis Souttar , Baht , Mikel , clucas , Allen , Fletcher , Campbell , McLean , Thomson, Brown are all unavailable he’ll be a genius if he avoids defeat without that lot . More pertinent is why are we getting so many is it just bad luck or something to do with conditioning . We went through a bad patch of injuries under Hughes, which was attributed to a questionable training program. I don’t think that’s the issue now because they look pretty fit. I don’t believe in bad luck but we do seem to having a lot of it recently! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 23:14:19 GMT
You should send that to MON for when he shits it again. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 8, 2020 23:19:08 GMT
The team he picked was as good as it could be given the injuries.
He wend too defensive when Ryan was put on.
Vokes was the only striker he could put on so he didn't have a choice really.
I think he could have put on Verlinden rather than Vokes.
I think the main reason we lost was not down to MON but down to injuries.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 8, 2020 23:22:10 GMT
The team he picked was as good as it could be given the injuries. He went too defensive when Ryan was put on. Vokes was the only striker he could put on so he didn't have a choice really. Blane Jones for pissing away ~£10 million. I think he could have put on Verlinden rather than Ince. I think the main reason we lost was not down to MON but down to injuries. 7 |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 8, 2020 23:22:26 GMT
9 for the first 60 minutes
Probably thought we’d ride out a 1-0 but possibly panicked into making a rash decision when Ty had to go off. Was totally hands-tied-behind-his-back when Brownie went off. Ends up a 6 for me.
But Christ, it will be hard to be professional after that SHIT penalty, knowing it was a GOLD PLATED 3 points...
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Agreeing with what's been said, good line-up considering the lack of options (cheers Colin) but we can't be looking for promotion with such a negative gameplan against opposition like Baadiff. Getting deja vu again, I'm sure I was writing exactly these words about Tone more than ten years ago...
