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Post by stokecitytalke on Nov 30, 2020 8:45:00 GMT
With JOM being out, would it be worth trying Collins at defensive midfield?
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Post by Veritas on Nov 30, 2020 8:48:32 GMT
No, next question.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 30, 2020 9:07:48 GMT
I suppose it might be but it would be a brave manager who would do that in the starting eleven unless a virus had decimated all other options. But I see where you are coming from - he can defend AND he can pass AND (as he showed against Wednesday) he is willing to get forward when given the chance.
I don't think we'll see him starting there in a league game but, if needed, I would not be totally gob smacked to see him moved there due to injury during a game. And it would not surprise me if he did well in that position.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Nov 30, 2020 9:17:07 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2020 9:32:06 GMT
Why would it? Has he ever been one before? We get this every single time we have a non-neanderthanl at centre half - the second anyone who can pick a pass plays there people are desperate to shunt them into midfield, as if the notion of a ball-playing centre half is witchcraft or something. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 30, 2020 9:35:33 GMT
He needs to establish himself in one position ideally. He did very well at full back on Saturday but I don’t like the thought of him being moved around as a stop gap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2020 9:38:02 GMT
I wouldn't but I don't see why he couldn't do it.
We need to start playing him at centre half soon.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 30, 2020 9:42:50 GMT
I wouldn't but I don't see why he couldn't do it. We need to start playing him at centre half soon. the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2020 9:44:29 GMT
I wouldn't but I don't see why he couldn't do it. We need to start playing him at centre half soon. the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. He does and that's very damning on Smith imo. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2020 10:02:31 GMT
Just stick Cousins in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 10:07:01 GMT
I’d play joan Collins if it meant not playing cousins
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Post by nott1 on Nov 30, 2020 10:09:14 GMT
Is Mikel out?
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Post by lordb on Nov 30, 2020 11:18:28 GMT
Collins clearly has the skill set for it however with Souttar out he should be playing centre back
If Smith is also out the he'll have to play RB
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 30, 2020 12:00:08 GMT
I wouldn't but I don't see why he couldn't do it. We need to start playing him at centre half soon. the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. Don’t base an assessment in one game against a team that has scored 7 goals this season. In previous outings, Collins has looked out of place at right back and when the winger ran at him he was struggling to keep up. He also offers next to nothing wide going forward. Despite his lapses, Smith is a much better all round option. When their winger ran at him, Collins was done Collins plays there to compensate for Chester’s lack of aerial prowess which is not a good reason to base selection on. Collins should be playing inside Smith |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2020 12:04:20 GMT
the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. Don’t base an assessment in one game against a team that has scored 7 goals this season. In previous outings, Collins has looked out of place at right back and when the winger ran at him he was struggling to keep up. He also offers next to nothing wide going forward. Despite his lapses, Smith is a much better all round option. When their winger ran at him, Collins was done Collins plays there to compensate for Chester’s lack of aerial prowess which is not a good reason to base selection on. Collins should be playing inside Smith I would normally agree but he looked good there against Norwich too. And put in one of the best crosses we've seen all season on Saturday. Smith has been dogshit this season and shouldn't be playing. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 30, 2020 13:19:54 GMT
the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. Don’t base an assessment in one game against a team that has scored 7 goals this season. In previous outings, Collins has looked out of place at right back and when the winger ran at him he was struggling to keep up. He also offers next to nothing wide going forward. Despite his lapses, Smith is a much better all round option. When their winger ran at him, Collins was done Collins plays there to compensate for Chester’s lack of aerial prowess which is not a good reason to base selection on. Collins should be playing inside Smith I agree that Collins preferred position is CB and he should be above Chester in the pecking order. I'm just saying that out of Smith and Collins I think Collins is better defensively, better on the ball and his distribution is good imho. Smith gets done for pace regularly, but someone has got to play there. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 30, 2020 13:23:57 GMT
It's alright playing him at right back but he'll never be as good there as he will be at centre back. He needs to be playing centrally soon.
And I don't think he'd make a very good defensive midfielder either.
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Post by barrythe on Nov 30, 2020 13:48:01 GMT
Why would it? Has he ever been one before? We get this every single time we have a non-neanderthanl at centre half - the second anyone who can pick as pass plays there people are desperate to shunt them into midfield, as if the notion of a ball-playing centre half is witchcraft or something. He might end up the next Shotton. Upfront scoring in Europe for us? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2020 13:52:26 GMT
Why would it? Has he ever been one before? We get this every single time we have a non-neanderthanl at centre half - the second anyone who can pick as pass plays there people are desperate to shunt them into midfield, as if the notion of a ball-playing centre half is witchcraft or something. He might end up the next Shotton. Upfront scoring in Europe for us? Are we looking back on Shotton playing up front and out wide as a good thing? It was awful and a sign that the manager was starting to lose the plot. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2020 13:54:48 GMT
I’d play joan Collins if it meant not playing cousins A player that played a good part in keeping us up last season, that would be a strange thing to do, hopefully MON isn't that stupid. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 30, 2020 13:59:13 GMT
I’d stick him upfront if it meant vokes didn’t play
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 30, 2020 15:41:12 GMT
He might end up the next Shotton. Upfront scoring in Europe for us? Are we looking back on Shotton playing up front and out wide as a good thing? It was awful and a sign that the manager was starting to lose the plot. Always thought that Pulis ruined Shotton's career at the club by pissing around with him in the various daft positions. He always seemed a decent right back to me and when he played for the academy at centre back he looked decent there. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 30, 2020 15:45:17 GMT
As for the subject of this thread. Collins is a great prospect at centre half and really should be nutured and coached to play in his natural position. I can understand trying out a player whose not very good in his so called natural position elsewhere (case and point Tymon) and we've seen with the likes of Bale that this can yield great results but I dont think its worth doing with a player who hasn't looked out of place.
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 30, 2020 16:58:40 GMT
Clucas isn't a defensive central midfielder, Mikel is a Rolls Royce with too many miles on the clock and Cousins can tackle but lacks quality when passing.
We are definitely weak in central midfield. Personally, I've viewed Chester since he came here as a central DM masquerading as a CB. Might be worth a try.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 30, 2020 17:15:51 GMT
Cousins is bloody awful but at least he has an element of discipline and energy to his play. I’d be tempted to play him and Mikel together as central midfielders and let Powell and Clucas fight it out for the role in behind Fletcher.
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Post by Goonie on Nov 30, 2020 17:16:19 GMT
Finally the Whelan upgrade
😁
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:19:05 GMT
I’d play joan Collins if it meant not playing cousins A player that played a good part in keeping us up last season, that would be a strange thing to do, hopefully MON isn't that stupid. He is absolutely awful. A nothing player that hopefully I never have to see again |
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Post by a on Nov 30, 2020 18:52:41 GMT
the problem being that he looks like our best right back option at the moment. He does and that's very damning on Smith imo. And edwards* |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2020 18:54:58 GMT
He does and that's very damning on Smith imo. And edwards* Nah. Edwards would/should be in the side in a shot. |
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Post by a on Nov 30, 2020 18:56:08 GMT
Nah. Edwards would/should be in the side in a shot. Guess someone forgot to tell the manager that 🤷♂️ |
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