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Post by ab61 on Dec 2, 2020 10:44:38 GMT
News is emerging from many sources that a Spanish female footballer refused to stand in tribute with her teammates to Maradona before a game few days ago. Instead she sat with her back to the camera and said afterwards "I refuse to pay tribute to a paedophile, rapist and aggressor". His women beating exploits are well known but this is new territory. As an aside in my opinion to be a great sportsman comes with having morals that can be passed on to your followers. His morals do not compare in anyway to Hudson and Best as has been stated in a previous post. Maradona possibly the greatest player of his generation with the morals of an alley cat. So what would your list of 'great sportsmen with great morals' be, out of interest? How many footballers would be on it? Even Stan dabbled in selling stuff on the black market during the war, what's your cut-off? My main take on this is a bit like the poppy or the Knee people should feel free to take part or not without being judged.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 2, 2020 10:46:29 GMT
News is emerging from many sources that a Spanish female footballer refused to stand in tribute with her teammates to Maradona before a game few days ago. Instead she sat with her back to the camera and said afterwards "I refuse to pay tribute to a paedophile, rapist and aggressor". His women beating exploits are well known but this is new territory. As an aside in my opinion to be a great sportsman comes with having morals that can be passed on to your followers. His morals do not compare in anyway to Hudson and Best as has been stated in a previous post. Maradona possibly the greatest player of his generation with the morals of an alley cat. So what would your list of 'great sportsmen with great morals' be, out of interest? How many footballers would be on it? Even Stan dabbled in selling stuff on the black market during the war, what's your cut-off? Can see what you’re trying to do here. Life isn’t black and white is it? My cut off point is probably crossing the line as a proven woman beater, cheat, crackhead and now alleged rapist and paedophile. I will reserve judgement on the latter two unless anymore comes out. Superb player there is no doubt but also no role model as a footballer. To try and draw Sir Stan into the argument is plainly ludicrous. Selling black market stuff during the War hardly equates to Maradona's sleazy exploits.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 10:51:12 GMT
So what would your list of 'great sportsmen with great morals' be, out of interest? How many footballers would be on it? Even Stan dabbled in selling stuff on the black market during the war, what's your cut-off? Can see what you’re trying to do here. Life isn’t black and white is it? My cut off point is probably crossing the line as a proven woman beater, cheat, crackhead and now alleged rapist and paedophile. I will reserve judgement on the latter two unless anymore comes out. Superb player there is no doubt but also no role model as a footballer. To try and draw Sir Stan into the argument is plainly ludicrous. Selling black market stuff during the War hardly equates to Maradona's sleazy exploits. Hang on, you were telling us that to be considered a great sportsman you have to have a moral code? It muddies the waters a touch if you're now trying to say they don't have to be whiter than white after all, doesn't it? That makes the criteria all the trickier. To be considered a great sportsman you just have to be great at sport. It's possible to admire someone's talent on the field and abhor their behaviour off it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 10:52:04 GMT
So what would your list of 'great sportsmen with great morals' be, out of interest? How many footballers would be on it? Even Stan dabbled in selling stuff on the black market during the war, what's your cut-off? My main take on this is a bit like the poppy or the Knee people should feel free to take part or not without being judged. Your main take on what sorry Adam?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2020 11:45:37 GMT
He appears to think that shitty English tabloids now represent the entire global opinion. Most people outside of England probably have no recollection of "The hand of god" at all, let alone solely remember him for it as it being "his most famous goal". Conclusion: matty needs to get out of his house a bit more and realise it's quite a big world out there! I know a cheat when I see one. Deliberate hand ball to score. Performance enhancing drugs. CHEAT. And dont worry...I get out of the house plenty. It was handball, no doubt. It can however be argued that his hand was up helping to lever his 5'5" frame up to compete for the ball, miss timed it all and inadvertently he has handled it into the net. What everyone always misses, in my opinion, is that Shilton got done by a near midget. I remember watching the game as a 13 year old and blaming Shilton for being total shyte personally. And I had no doubt on the day, even though I was gutted, that the better team went through. And I am quite certain his second goal has been voted in many publications and outlets as the greatest world cup goal ever. Like him or not and considering the fact that even Messi doesn't believe he is on Maradonas level then you know you are talking about a very very special player. Best ever for me but I accept there are loads of good arguments for plenty of other players to take this title. Opinions are however like ass holes as they say
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 2, 2020 11:48:15 GMT
Can see what you’re trying to do here. Life isn’t black and white is it? My cut off point is probably crossing the line as a proven woman beater, cheat, crackhead and now alleged rapist and paedophile. I will reserve judgement on the latter two unless anymore comes out. Superb player there is no doubt but also no role model as a footballer. To try and draw Sir Stan into the argument is plainly ludicrous. Selling black market stuff during the War hardly equates to Maradona's sleazy exploits. Hang on, you were telling us that to be considered a great sportsman you have to have a moral code? It muddies the waters a touch if you're now trying to say they don't have to be whiter than white after all, doesn't it? That makes the criteria all the trickier. To be considered a great sportsman you just have to be great at sport. It's possible to admire someone's talent on the field and abhor their behaviour off it. Quite agree. If someone takes an an amazing free kick that goes into the top corner from 40 yards Do you say, well it would have been a better free kick if the person who took it lived their life in a different way? Do you say, no the free kick that went over the bar was better because the person who took it is a better person?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2020 11:51:42 GMT
News is emerging from many sources that a Spanish female footballer refused to stand in tribute with her teammates to Maradona before a game few days ago. Instead she sat with her back to the camera and said afterwards "I refuse to pay tribute to a paedophile, rapist and aggressor". His women beating exploits are well known but this is new territory. As an aside in my opinion to be a great sportsman comes with having morals that can be passed on to your followers. His morals do not compare in anyway to Hudson and Best as has been stated in a previous post. Maradona possibly the greatest player of his generation with the morals of an alley cat. Come on chief! So he's a paedo and rapist now because a female Spanish footballer who has likely never even met the guy says he is. Surely you are better than that. I could make baseless claims about you, wouldn't make them true though would it. See how it works. And I accept you say you will reserve judgement on this but you are already part of the process of building up the narrative that he is. Not good, not good at all.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 2, 2020 11:51:46 GMT
Cheesy, horrible music but you can see in these messages (in their eyes!) what Maradona means to other great footballers. This is for Maradona's 60th Birthday.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 2, 2020 12:26:43 GMT
Can see what you’re trying to do here. Life isn’t black and white is it? My cut off point is probably crossing the line as a proven woman beater, cheat, crackhead and now alleged rapist and paedophile. I will reserve judgement on the latter two unless anymore comes out. Superb player there is no doubt but also no role model as a footballer. To try and draw Sir Stan into the argument is plainly ludicrous. Selling black market stuff during the War hardly equates to Maradona's sleazy exploits. Hang on, you were telling us that to be considered a great sportsman you have to have a moral code? It muddies the waters a touch if you're now trying to say they don't have to be whiter than white after all, doesn't it? That makes the criteria all the trickier. To be considered a great sportsman you just have to be great at sport. It's possible to admire someone's talent on the field and abhor their behaviour off it. We'll have to agree to disagree. Other than a obligatory RIP I can’t pay any other tribute to him other than he was a very good football player as I stated in my previous 2 posts.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 2, 2020 12:31:02 GMT
Hang on, you were telling us that to be considered a great sportsman you have to have a moral code? It muddies the waters a touch if you're now trying to say they don't have to be whiter than white after all, doesn't it? That makes the criteria all the trickier. To be considered a great sportsman you just have to be great at sport. It's possible to admire someone's talent on the field and abhor their behaviour off it. We'll have to agree to disagree. Other than a obligatory RIP I can’t pay any other tribute to him other than he was a very good football player. I think that is fair enough. There is no requirement to laud him as a human being (though I can understand why South Americans do) and he certainly lived an interesting life imho I consider Maradona as a footballing hero. It's about his greatness as a football player for me, that is all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 1:54:11 GMT
Simply the greatest ever.. sad so many reports prattle on about the so called Hand of God and not what a genius he was No one one ever mentions Terry Fenwick escaping the clearest red card ever in that game oddly. Best team by a Mile won Had his moments off the pitch but doesn't take away fro m what he did on the field RIP
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 3:38:00 GMT
against england, but idgaf! this is a genius at work Reid was England's only player that day, they were awful and should have had 10 men second half. Argentina were a class above and played them off the park. AA r.i.p If only Reid or Hodge had bothered to put a tackle on him ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 3:48:29 GMT
News is emerging from many sources that a Spanish female footballer refused to stand in tribute with her teammates to Maradona before a game few days ago. Instead she sat with her back to the camera and said afterwards "I refuse to pay tribute to a paedophile, rapist and aggressor". His women beating exploits are well known but this is new territory. As an aside in my opinion to be a great sportsman comes with having morals that can be passed on to your followers. His morals do not compare in anyway to Hudson and Best as has been stated in a previous post. Maradona possibly the greatest player of his generation with the morals of an alley cat. Come on chief! So he's a paedo and rapist now because a female Spanish footballer who has likely never even met the guy says he is. Surely you are better than that. I could make baseless claims about you, wouldn't make them true though would it. See how it works. And I accept you say you will reserve judgement on this but you are already part of the process of building up the narrative that he is. Not good, not good at all. All speculation from someone no one has heard of. Justin Fashanu was a wanted rapist by the US police but treated like a trailblazing hero when he died by the press
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 8, 2020 10:55:03 GMT
Apparently he’s having his mug shot on an Argie bank note. That’s when you know you’ve made it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:01:51 GMT
Apparently he’s having his mug shot on an Argie bank note. That’s when you know you’ve made it! And rightly so. I think you know you've made it more though when you win a World Cup amongst other things and set the tournament On fire through sheer brilliance
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 8, 2020 11:16:36 GMT
Apparently he’s having his mug shot on an Argie bank note. That’s when you know you’ve made it! And rightly so. I think you know you've made it more though when you win a World Cup amongst other things and set the tournament On fire through sheer brilliance Absolutely. Just thought I’d put it out there as it’s a posthumous honour not many people have had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:23:22 GMT
And rightly so. I think you know you've made it more though when you win a World Cup amongst other things and set the tournament On fire through sheer brilliance Absolutely. Just thought I’d put it out there as it’s a posthumous honour not many people have had. In the UK you get on a bank note for inventing the thimble or the spatula. Was shocked not to see someone from a reality show on the new notes as what makes you famous here it seems
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