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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 15, 2020 10:02:39 GMT
Should be an interesting first few laps if nothing else. Strange grid positions due to rain in qualifying and raining for the race
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Post by alsagerstokie on Nov 15, 2020 10:32:00 GMT
Should be an interesting first few laps if nothing else. Strange grid positions due to rain in qualifying and raining for the race British Touring Cars mate ITV4 brands hatch kent. Pouring with rain 2 drivers can win the title on final day. Sutton and Turkington. My kind of Racing. That and Moto GP of Valencia later my two favourite motorsports. Got the Masters tonight aswell 👍 I appreciate what Hamilton does as he is for me a british racing icon and great professional. However if I ever fancy a nap I'll stick F1 on 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:36:21 GMT
Can't think of many things worse to watch in the "sporting" world than F1.
Utter dogshit.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 15, 2020 12:03:05 GMT
Great drive from Hamilton, congrats on a 7th title 👏
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 15, 2020 13:19:07 GMT
Great drive from Hamilton, congrats on a 7th title 👏 Congratulations to our best ever driver by far. Not sure I'd agree with Rio Ferdinand on Hamilton being the greatest sportsman this country has ever produced, though! Comparing sports achievements is well nigh impossible but, if forced, I'd still go with Steve Redgrave. To be able to win five Olympic gold medals at that event over a 16 year period is just phenomenal. I imagine all the boats are pretty much identical, too  |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 15, 2020 14:17:30 GMT
Great drive from Hamilton, congrats on a 7th title 👏 Congratulations to our best ever driver by far. Not sure I'd agree with Rio Ferdinand on Hamilton being the greatest sportsman this country has ever produced, though! Comparing sports achievements is well nigh impossible but, if forced, I'd still go with Steve Redgrave. To be able to win five Olympic gold medals at that event over a 16 year period is just phenomenal. I imagine all the boats are pretty much identical, too Think it's pretty much impossible to compare but today's race and it's conditions just showed how good he is. When others around him were getting flustered he just cruised to the top and won with ease. It's worth noting he lapped his own team mate Bottas today too. Also, he's far from finished yet. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 15, 2020 14:27:15 GMT
Did the fastest car win again?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 15, 2020 14:28:26 GMT
Great drive from Hamilton, congrats on a 7th title 👏 Congratulations to our best ever driver by far. Not sure I'd agree with Rio Ferdinand on Hamilton being the greatest sportsman this country has ever produced, though! Comparing sports achievements is well nigh impossible but, if forced, I'd still go with Steve Redgrave. To be able to win five Olympic gold medals at that event over a 16 year period is just phenomenal. I imagine all the boats are pretty much identical, too If he was white Rio wouldn't have said this. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 15, 2020 14:38:01 GMT
Did the fastest car win again? Looking at the times all weekend? No actually. Sorry to piss on your brigade. |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 15, 2020 17:44:29 GMT
F1 is how I imagine a European Super League will look. Same old faces, same old outcomes, who invests the most will win and the whole thing just devoid of emotion and opportunity for the underdog. What a boring past time F1 is.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 15, 2020 18:06:12 GMT
Absolutely brilliant drive by Hamilton today.
He is becoming one of the greatest sportsmen of all time.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 15, 2020 18:18:00 GMT
How come our greatest sportsmen - Hamilton, Redgrave, Chris Hoy (or any one of 3 or 4 cyclists) - do their business sitting down.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 15, 2020 22:35:07 GMT
Hamilton showed his class (again) today. The things that make his car better than any other completely worked against him and Bottas, yet through skill, pragmatism and judgement he won a race that his qualifying pace suggested that he would struggle to finish.
Is he the greatest of all time? Don't know, don't care, he's the best of his generation. The fastest man on the track, Verstappen proved that he still has a lot to learn.
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Post by Gods on Nov 15, 2020 23:42:55 GMT
It's a strange one I think, Hamilton has just driven in to motor racing history and yet we can't manage a thread greater than half of one page on here.
Not sure if that's an indictment of F1 as a sport or the failure of the British public to take Lewis to their hearts.
Guess they will throw him in for SPOTY again but Marcus Rashford's meals on wheels will sweep up all before him.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 16, 2020 10:05:28 GMT
It's a strange one I think, Hamilton has just driven in to motor racing history and yet we can't manage a thread greater than half of one page on here. Not sure if that's an indictment of F1 as a sport or the failure of the British public to take Lewis to their hearts. Guess they will throw him in for SPOTY again but Marcus Rashford's meals on wheels will sweep up all before him. It's completely an reflection of how poor F1 is as a sport. I cannot understand how a racing series that virtually guarantees titles for a driver and constructor attracts such a massive global audience. The adulation Lewis gets at the British GP shows that Lewis has more fans than detractors. But for me, 2008 and 2018 were probably the only titles that I can truly say Hamilton deserved to win, because he was given a challenge. However, there is no achievement in winning titles when your nearest competitors are average drivers like Bottas and Rosberg. It's a bit like Celtic being guaranteed the title year on year, with their only challenge from an average Rangers team still recovering from climbing back up the leagues after being expelled from the Scottish Prem. Stick say a Chelsea in there, and Celtic wouldn't find it so easy. |
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Post by flea79 on Nov 16, 2020 11:30:59 GMT
It's a strange one I think, Hamilton has just driven in to motor racing history and yet we can't manage a thread greater than half of one page on here. Not sure if that's an indictment of F1 as a sport or the failure of the British public to take Lewis to their hearts. Guess they will throw him in for SPOTY again but Marcus Rashford's meals on wheels will sweep up all before him. Rashford deserves better than a pathetic pointless SPOTY award i love F1 wish was more races like yesterdays |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 16, 2020 11:51:16 GMT
I think Hamilton's lack of popularity is partly from his wish to be more than just a racing driver. Lewis has tried and failed miserably to take on causes such as veganism to change the world yet not see the hypocrisy in taking such a stand whilst being part of an environmentally damaging sport. Marcus Rashford deserves all the praise and rewards that will come from his actions as they are clearly selfless and from the heart. The BLM support that Lewis is currently giving suits him better than the stuff he's done in the past and he can actually make a difference this time and without hypocrisy. Personally, I just wish he would enjoy what he does at face value and not try to keep on justifying himself.
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 16, 2020 12:31:07 GMT
I think Hamilton's lack of popularity is partly from his wish to be more than just a racing driver. Lewis has tried and failed miserably to take on causes such as veganism to change the world yet not see the hypocrisy in taking such a stand whilst being part of an environmentally damaging sport. Marcus Rashford deserves all the praise and rewards that will come from his actions as they are clearly selfless and from the heart. The BLM support that Lewis is currently giving suits him better than the stuff he's done in the past and he can actually make a difference this time and without hypocrisy. Personally, I just wish he would enjoy what he does at face value and not try to keep on justifying himself. Very true. For me another factor is the seemingly huge gap between constructors. Back in Mansel's day when he won for Williams there was true competition from the likes of Benneton, Ferrari, and others, but now Merc are just so far ahead of the rest they win both titles at a canter. And of course there were many great drivers, Prost, Senna, Schumi, etc etc, so for me Mansell winning , or Hill for that matter, was a bigger individual achievement than Hamilton's. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 16, 2020 12:38:53 GMT
It's a strange one I think, Hamilton has just driven in to motor racing history and yet we can't manage a thread greater than half of one page on here. Not sure if that's an indictment of F1 as a sport or the failure of the British public to take Lewis to their hearts. Guess they will throw him in for SPOTY again but Marcus Rashford's meals on wheels will sweep up all before him. It's completely an reflection of how poor F1 is as a sport. I cannot understand how a racing series that virtually guarantees titles for a driver and constructor attracts such a massive global audience. The adulation Lewis gets at the British GP shows that Lewis has more fans than detractors. But for me, 2008 and 2018 were probably the only titles that I can truly say Hamilton deserved to win, because he was given a challenge. However, there is no achievement in winning titles when your nearest competitors are average drivers like Bottas and Rosberg. It's a bit like Celtic being guaranteed the title year on year, with their only challenge from an average Rangers team still recovering from climbing back up the leagues after being expelled from the Scottish Prem. Stick say a Chelsea in there, and Celtic wouldn't find it so easy. I agree, I think it's got a very limited reach beyond the F1 fan. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 16, 2020 13:44:46 GMT
I think Hamilton's lack of popularity is partly from his wish to be more than just a racing driver. Lewis has tried and failed miserably to take on causes such as veganism to change the world yet not see the hypocrisy in taking such a stand whilst being part of an environmentally damaging sport. Marcus Rashford deserves all the praise and rewards that will come from his actions as they are clearly selfless and from the heart. The BLM support that Lewis is currently giving suits him better than the stuff he's done in the past and he can actually make a difference this time and without hypocrisy. Personally, I just wish he would enjoy what he does at face value and not try to keep on justifying himself. Very true. For me another factor is the seemingly huge gap between constructors. Back in Mansel's day when he won for Williams there was true competition from the likes of Benneton, Ferrari, and others, but now Merc are just so far ahead of the rest they win both titles at a canter. And of course there were many great drivers, Prost, Senna, Schumi, etc etc, so for me Mansell winning , or Hill for that matter, was a bigger individual achievement than Hamilton's. Mansell was awesome to watch as he was unbelievably brave and it was well known that his cajones were the reason for many of his wins. To put his world championship win into context, the Williams FW14B was so far ahead of the rest of the field in terms of pace and dive-ability that Prost (or maybe Senna) suggested that a monkey could win the world championship in it. |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 16, 2020 17:30:48 GMT
Very true. For me another factor is the seemingly huge gap between constructors. Back in Mansel's day when he won for Williams there was true competition from the likes of Benneton, Ferrari, and others, but now Merc are just so far ahead of the rest they win both titles at a canter. And of course there were many great drivers, Prost, Senna, Schumi, etc etc, so for me Mansell winning , or Hill for that matter, was a bigger individual achievement than Hamilton's. Mansell was awesome to watch as he was unbelievably brave and it was well known that his cajones were the reason for many of his wins. To put his world championship win into context, the Williams FW14B was so far ahead of the rest of the field in terms of pace and dive-ability that Prost (or maybe Senna) suggested that a monkey could win the world championship in it. I disagree with mattyd2, when Mansell won the title there was absolutely no competition to the Williams - like the Mercedes and the year Button got lucky, that Williams was far and away the best car on the grid. Ferrari were a mid-table team back in 1992, as were Benetton as well. McLaren were the nearest challengers, and even they couldn't get close to the Williams. As with Lewis and Bottas, the fact another average driver in Riccardo Patrese came second in the '92 championship spoke volumes. It was Mansell that got me into F1 at 14 y/o, and I became swept along the wave of patriotism and hype around Nige... not least because he was actually a down-to-earth, family guy to go with the tenacious drive and spirit. As a young teen, I didn't mind him winning every race all the time, but as I got older I actually appreciate the value of competition and now there is no joy in seeing Lewis win title No. 7 against teammates who fail to step up to the plate and also far less inferior cars. Senna in that Williams FW14B would have beaten Nige to the title. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 16, 2020 18:48:53 GMT
I love cars, but I’ve always found F1 bores the arse off me, I’ve never felt a connection to any of the drivers, they were all faceless drones for the advertisement companies on their cars, the only one who would have appealed to me was Senna but he died when I was a year old.
However the new generation coming through, Lando Norris, Gasly, Russell, Albon etc. all seem to genuinely have a laugh with it and all connect with their fans, particularly Norris with his online gaming streams, these have actually coaxed me into watching it from next season.
Hamilton is now irrefutably the greatest driver of all time, however I just don’t like him, I don’t know what it is, I’m not arguing his talent but he just doesn’t appeal to me as a person.
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 16, 2020 20:03:54 GMT
Mansell was awesome to watch as he was unbelievably brave and it was well known that his cajones were the reason for many of his wins. To put his world championship win into context, the Williams FW14B was so far ahead of the rest of the field in terms of pace and dive-ability that Prost (or maybe Senna) suggested that a monkey could win the world championship in it. I disagree with mattyd2, when Mansell won the title there was absolutely no competition to the Williams - like the Mercedes and the year Button got lucky, that Williams was far and away the best car on the grid. Ferrari were a mid-table team back in 1992, as were Benetton as well. McLaren were the nearest challengers, and even they couldn't get close to the Williams. As with Lewis and Bottas, the fact another average driver in Riccardo Patrese came second in the '92 championship spoke volumes. It was Mansell that got me into F1 at 14 y/o, and I became swept along the wave of patriotism and hype around Nige... not least because he was actually a down-to-earth, family guy to go with the tenacious drive and spirit. As a young teen, I didn't mind him winning every race all the time, but as I got older I actually appreciate the value of competition and now there is no joy in seeing Lewis win title No. 7 against teammates who fail to step up to the plate and also far less inferior cars. Senna in that Williams FW14B would have beaten Nige to the title. Yeah that Williams was basically a cheat mode. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 17, 2020 15:47:47 GMT
I think Hamilton's lack of popularity is partly from his wish to be more than just a racing driver. Lewis has tried and failed miserably to take on causes such as veganism to change the world yet not see the hypocrisy in taking such a stand whilst being part of an environmentally damaging sport. Marcus Rashford deserves all the praise and rewards that will come from his actions as they are clearly selfless and from the heart. The BLM support that Lewis is currently giving suits him better than the stuff he's done in the past and he can actually make a difference this time and without hypocrisy. Personally, I just wish he would enjoy what he does at face value and not try to keep on justifying himself. Hamilton named most influential black person in Britain. |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 17, 2020 15:56:51 GMT
Can't think of many things worse to watch in the "sporting" world than F1. Utter dogshit. So why waste your time texting if its crap? |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 17, 2020 16:00:08 GMT
I love cars, but I’ve always found F1 bores the arse off me, I’ve never felt a connection to any of the drivers, they were all faceless drones for the advertisement companies on their cars, the only one who would have appealed to me was Senna but he died when I was a year old. However the new generation coming through, Lando Norris, Gasly, Russell, Albon etc. all seem to genuinely have a laugh with it and all connect with their fans, particularly Norris with his online gaming streams, these have actually coaxed me into watching it from next season. Hamilton is now irrefutably the greatest driver of all time, however I just don’t like him, I don’t know what it is, I’m not arguing his talent but he just doesn’t appeal to me as a person. I'm other way round,not too bothered about road cars, would be more enjoyable if lived in the country. Driving round my area is very stressful with all the crazy, uninsured drivers. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2020 16:07:43 GMT
I think Hamilton's lack of popularity is partly from his wish to be more than just a racing driver. Lewis has tried and failed miserably to take on causes such as veganism to change the world yet not see the hypocrisy in taking such a stand whilst being part of an environmentally damaging sport. Marcus Rashford deserves all the praise and rewards that will come from his actions as they are clearly selfless and from the heart. The BLM support that Lewis is currently giving suits him better than the stuff he's done in the past and he can actually make a difference this time and without hypocrisy. Personally, I just wish he would enjoy what he does at face value and not try to keep on justifying himself. Hamilton named most influential black person in Britain. Was that in the living overseas section |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 19:21:15 GMT
Can't think of many things worse to watch in the "sporting" world than F1. Utter dogshit. So why waste your time texting if its crap? Just voicing my opinion mate. A bit like everyone else does in here |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 17, 2020 19:41:56 GMT
I think Lewis Hamilton is misunderstood by many. He comes across as an excellent person to me but sometimes sounds a bit off when hearing interview clips out of context. I think some people dislike him because he does his own thing, and it's a myth he doesn't have friends within F1. Andy Murray was underappreciated as a "dour Scot" for years, but then people started to see his humour and self-deprecation so warmed to him.
It's not generally appreciated how good a driver Hamilton is. His driving skill is ridiculous. He'll even make adjustments corner by corner based on the wind speed and direction. And Mercedes is the best car because Hamilton has helped develop the team and car into the best there is. SPOTY has been a joke for a while, but in a just world, Hamilton would be a runaway winner this year. Rashford should get a special award rather than the main one.
Edit: Also, the Ferrari was often faster than the Mercedes last season or the season before (I've lost all concept of time), yet Hamilton still beat Ferrari on those occasions. I'd love to see Hamilton and Verstappen in the same team. Rosberg beat Hamilton by getting inside Hamilton's head, and that made Hamilton even stronger. Rosberg quit knowing he wouldn't beat Hamilton again.
As for the comment about Mansell having competition in 1992 - he didn't. That was a bigger walk in the park than Hamilton this season, and cars in the 90s were unreliable. Mansell would've won 75% or more of the races if it wasn't for reliability issues (and I think he let his teammate through in one race). The title was deserved and long overdue for Mansell though. He deserves to be up there with Senna as one of the best drivers of that era and would've won the championship sooner if he didn't have such bad luck and at least a couple of injuries that could've ended his career. That man had cojones like I haven't seen from any other sportsperson.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Nov 17, 2020 21:46:39 GMT
We are all entitled to opinions. I fully respect what Hamilton has done. He's British He's super talented and all I say to him is good luck.
For me though I can't watch it. It's boring there is no real competition. Now I am a motorsport fan. I watch Moto GP every time three is a race on. I watch this because I have an interest in Bikes and the races are exciting. Yes it can sometimes be slightly the same as Marc Marques is very dominant but the skill they all have amazes me. This year with Marques being out injured the season has seen 9 diffrent race winners with Mir taking the title.
I also watch the BTCC and try to be a regular at Donnington and Oulton. COVID stopped my visits this year. This finished on Sunday at Brands Hatch and by race 3 there was 3 diffrent drivers that could take the championship Ash Sutton took the title. From race 1-3 in the BTCC it's just action action action. Some drivers think nothing of spinning someone else off or going for an over take and taking the other cars wing mirror off. Then there is the support races that are just packed with incident skill and quite a few safety car moments. Yes it's expensive to run a team but I can sort of relate to the cars because they seem like normal saloon cars.
For me the 90s was the best era for BTCC but I still find it great to watch now as it's edge of your seat stuff every race meeting. Usually the lead changes hands often and you can have a diffrent race winner on a regular basis.
Now you don't get that much in F1
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