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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 14:38:29 GMT
If true I really feel for the honest fans that go home and away
I know we take the piss but they do have some fans that simply wouldn’t be able to go to away games
I think their clubs have shown total disregard to them and if I were one of their fans I’d be furious as it’s unforgivable
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 18, 2021 14:52:26 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2021 14:56:00 GMT
It’s such a boring idea.
Absolute greed.
Ban their players from playing for England ASAP.
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2021 14:58:22 GMT
The premier league money will dry up as these teams will play virtual reserve sides in the domestic league as all money will be in this abhorrent league
It’s disastrous for English football as we know it
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Post by chigstoke on Apr 18, 2021 14:58:45 GMT
So basically, fuck the fans who follow home and away?
Absolutely no thought about them whatsoever.
You'll no doubt have increased ticket costs because of the 'level of the opposition'
Away trips that price the average fan out of it (maybe 1 game IF they're lucky)
Fuck them all
And I especially hope Arsenal finish every season with 0 points
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 18, 2021 14:58:53 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Apr 18, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
I know it's based no doubt on the money the club brings in (in the traditional talk of 'big team')
But Arsenal, Chelsea, Juventus, Spurs and Liverpool have hardly been 'Super' this year, have they?
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 15:05:26 GMT
would these clubs play in this super league and the premier league? I guess if they wish to do both it would be a huge disadvantage to the other 92 league clubs with the amount of money of offer to Spurs, City, Liverpool, United and Chelsea
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Post by chigstoke on Apr 18, 2021 15:06:30 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure?
You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby.
The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. Unless they do as Wezza says and play reserves here.
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 15:07:38 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. I’d imagine these clubs would want to stay in the premier league too Cake and eat it springs to mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2021 15:07:46 GMT
I know it's based no doubt on the money the club brings in (in the traditional talk of 'big team')
But Arsenal, Chelsea, Juventus, Spurs and Liverpool have hardly been 'Super' this year, have they?
And Barca. It’s not football. Even where there is a gap now you still have a sporting integrity. Anyone that backs this is no football fan.
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2021 15:11:12 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. Unless they do as Wezza says and play reserves here. It’s a midweek league ( like the CL ) with the premiership continuing as it is The problem being with the vast sums of money being ploughed into it (£12b) and the amount of games played the clubs will play reserve sides in the premiership ....the league cup and FA cup will be history for them
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 15:13:23 GMT
I know it's based no doubt on the money the club brings in (in the traditional talk of 'big team')
But Arsenal, Chelsea, Juventus, Spurs and Liverpool have hardly been 'Super' this year, have they?
And Barca. It’s not football. Even where there is a gap now you still have a sporting integrity. Anyone that backs this is no football fan. absolutely. These clubs need to take a look at themselves They say it’s all about money, but whats the purpose. In general it’s so you can attract better players and win trophies. If this happens football is definitely losing its identity
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2021 15:13:57 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. Unless they do as Wezza says and play reserves here. It’s a midweek league ( like the CL ) with the premiership continuing as it is The problem being with the vast sums of money being ploughed into it (£12b) and the amount of games played the clubs will play reserve sides in the premiership ....the league cup and FA cup will be history for them And it’s a virtual closed shop. That’s just not on. Yes there’s virtually zero chance we’ll ever play in the Champions League but it might happen, like the very slimmest of slim hopes it might happen. What’s the fucking point else?
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 15:15:51 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. Unless they do as Wezza says and play reserves here. It’s a midweek league ( like the CL ) with the premiership continuing as it is The problem being with the vast sums of money being ploughed into it (£12b) and the amount of games played the clubs will play reserve sides in the premiership ....the league cup and FA cup will be history for them that’s an utter piss take if it happens The league should tell them it’s either or
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 18, 2021 15:16:09 GMT
would these clubs play in this super league and the premier league? I guess if they wish to do both it would be a huge disadvantage to the other 92 league clubs with the amount of money of offer to Spurs, City, Liverpool, United and Chelsea Yeah - Euro Super League games every midweek -------------------------------------------------- from the Times article -------------------------------------------------- The Super League development is a direct challenge to Uefa which is to announce its new 36-team Champions League format on Monday, to come into force from 2024. The European governing body had thought it had seen off the threat of a breakaway but is now involved in urgent talks with other football bodies about the new development. Uefa is considering its response but insiders say they are preparing to take a tough line. The extreme response would be to impose a ban from European competitions for next season on the clubs who have signed up. Today the Premier League held an emergency board meeting and wrote to all 20 clubs, with chief executive Richard Masters calling for the rebels to “walk away immediately before irreparable damage is done”. In a letter seen by The Times, Masters told the clubs that forming such a breakaway would be a direct breach of Premier League rules. Uefa had succeeded in winning the support of the European Club Association (ECA) board and the European Leagues but it emerged today that the Super League threat had been revived with the ECA chairman Andrea Agnelli, also the Juventus president, appearing to throw his hat in with the breakaway clubs led by Manchester United and Real Madrid. Other members of the ECA board, who had agreed to the new Champions League format, and Uefa officials have attempted to contact Agnelli since Saturday evening but one source said he “has gone off the radar”. City are believed to be the last of the six English clubs to join. The Premier League leaders, along with Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, are thought to have been reluctant to join but did so because they did not want to miss out. Uefa insiders insist they will press ahead with the announcement for the new-look Champions League which will see clubs playing 10 group matches instead of six. If the Super League clubs do not back down then the dispute is likely to end up in courts given that Uefa and Fifa have promised to ban any clubs and players who take part in breakaway competitions from their tournaments such as the Euros and the World Cup. The Premier League did not hold back in voicing its opposition to a breakaway Super League. “Such a European Super League would be deeply damaging to the European pyramid, and immediate and future prospects of the Premier League and its member clubs and all those in football who rely on our funding and solidarity to prosper,” they said. “We do not and cannot support such a concept. Premier League rules contain a commitment amongst clubs to remain within the football pyramid and forbid and clubs from entering competitions beyond those listed in Rule L9, without Premier League Board permission. I cannot envisage any scenario where such permission would be granted. It is the duty of the Premier League Board to defend the integrity and the prospects of the League as a whole, and we will have no choice but to do everything we can to protect and maintain both. “As previously evidenced, we would expect complete condemnation from all parts of the game, fans groups and the UK Government. This venture cannot be launched without English clubs and we call upon any club contemplating associating themselves or joining this venture to walk away immediately before irreparable damage is done.” The Times revealed in January that a proposal document showed founder members of a proposed European Super League would be offered up to 350million euros (£310million) each to join the competition. There would be among 15 permanent founding members and five other clubs, who would qualify on an annual basis. They would be split into two groups of 10 and play between 18 and 23 European matches a season. The Super League proposals include: - The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial 3.5billion (£3.1billion) euro “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310million to £89million per club which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to Covid-19”. - The format would see two groups of 10 clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a one-legged final. - Matches would be midweek and clubs would still play in domestic leagues- Clubs would have rights to show four matches a season on their own the digital platforms across the world - Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5% of the pot would be shared equally between the 15 clubs, and another 32.5% between all Super League clubs including the five qualifiers - 20% of the pot would be merit money “distributed in the same manner as the current English Premier League merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knock-out stage - The remaining 15% would get a “commercial share based on club awareness” - A cap of 55% of revenues permitted to be spent on salaries and transfers (net) - A ‘Financial Sustainability Group’ would monitor clubs’ spending The emergence of the written proposals led football’s authorities to take unified action to combat the threat. A Super League would be disastrous for the Champions League which relies on the glamour of the top clubs to attract broadcasters.
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Post by chigstoke on Apr 18, 2021 15:16:40 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. Unless they do as Wezza says and play reserves here. It’s a midweek league ( like the CL ) with the premiership continuing as it is The problem being with the vast sums of money being ploughed into it (£12b) and the amount of games played the clubs will play reserve sides in the premiership ....the league cup and FA cup will be history for them £12b? That's an astronomical amount of money.
Sadly, money is all they can think about.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2021 15:19:55 GMT
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2021 15:25:35 GMT
It’s a midweek league ( like the CL ) with the premiership continuing as it is The problem being with the vast sums of money being ploughed into it (£12b) and the amount of games played the clubs will play reserve sides in the premiership ....the league cup and FA cup will be history for them that’s an utter piss take if it happens The league should tell them it’s either or The premier league are not happy The fucking irony given everything they have done to the detriment of every other competition in the English game
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2021 15:27:49 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 18, 2021 15:31:41 GMT
that’s an utter piss take if it happens The league should tell them it’s either or The premier league are not happy The fucking irony given everything they have done to the detriment of every other competition in the English game Of course they're unhappy. The gravy train will stop overnight. The shoe is now firmly on the other foot. If this happens, football is dead. It will be the very epitome of cutting your own arm off and eating it.
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Post by tnbiscuitswithtone on Apr 18, 2021 15:32:05 GMT
Yank & arab money pushing a us style league of no promotion or relegation just a few clubs playing themselves. You know what we call people who play with themselves, don't you!
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 18, 2021 15:36:04 GMT
...and how the effing hell are AC Milan involved?
Their league placings since 2011/12, where they finished 2nd!
Season | Placing | 12/13 | 3rd | 13/14 | 8th | 14/15 | 10th | 15/16 | 7th | 16/17 | 6th | 17/18 | 6th | 18/19 | 5th | 19/20 | 6th |
My ass!
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Post by jeycov on Apr 18, 2021 15:38:10 GMT
So how do you deal with the domestic league then, how do you restructure? You'll have 14 PL teams, that's 6 spots that need filling. Do you fill them? Leave it as a 14 team league? Cause I haven't got a scooby. The more you think about it, the more and more you just see how it's their 'fuck everyone but us' attitude. I’d imagine these clubs would want to stay in the premier league too Cake and eat it springs to mind Indeed it should be one or the other - however, if it is both, then players should only be registered for one league only Lots of moaning from the top managers too many games How will qualfication for European competitions work? the or will they only one available for the "elite" Promotion relegation from this league? Lots of quarantine going to happen then? Away fans? Extra cost of games when travelling to Europe now that we are an independent country?
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Post by werrington on Apr 18, 2021 15:39:45 GMT
It’s actually quite comical
As in every league you’ll get a team at the top and a team at the bottom and if one side are running away with it do people really think fans will turn up to watch 11th v 12th or even 2nd v 3rd with nothing on a match or relegation or European places
It’s a farce
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Post by jeycov on Apr 18, 2021 15:40:28 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 18, 2021 15:42:05 GMT
...and how the effing hell are AC Milan involved?
Their league placings since 2011/12, where they finished 2nd!
Season | Placing | 12/13 | 3rd | 13/14 | 8th | 14/15 | 10th | 15/16 | 7th | 16/17 | 6th | 17/18 | 6th | 18/19 | 5th | 19/20 | 6th |
My ass! I can’t see the 12 I am assuming Man United Man city Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs Bayern Munich Juventus Ac Milan Real Madrid Barcelona PSG Some huge clubs not involved. Atletico, Porto, Ajax, Dortmund, inter, Roma, Benfica just to name a few If we are angry, can you imagine these clubs
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2021 15:44:31 GMT
that’s an utter piss take if it happens The league should tell them it’s either or The premier league are not happy The fucking irony given everything they have done to the detriment of every other competition in the English game " What goes around, comes around".
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Post by chigstoke on Apr 18, 2021 15:45:09 GMT
...and how the effing hell are AC Milan involved?
Their league placings since 2011/12, where they finished 2nd!
Season | Placing | 12/13 | 3rd | 13/14 | 8th | 14/15 | 10th | 15/16 | 7th | 16/17 | 6th | 17/18 | 6th | 18/19 | 5th | 19/20 | 6th |
My ass! I can’t see the 12 I am assuming Man United Man city Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs Bayern Munich Juventus Ac Milan Real Madrid Barcelona PSG Some huge clubs not involved. Atletico, Porto, Ajax, Dortmund, inter, Roma, Benfica just to name a few If we are angry, can you imagine these clubs Inter and Atletico are involved
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 18, 2021 15:46:11 GMT
This is a statement we have issued this afternoon. Football Supporters Europe, the pan-european fans body are totally opposed. This is one of those relatively rare football issues where are in agreement with the FA and the Premier League thefsa.org.uk/news/fsa-statement-european-superleague/
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