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Post by thevoid on Oct 7, 2020 15:03:50 GMT
Anyone guilty of this is the lowest of the low, yet it seems to be something that's happening increasing regularity. I've not included the police as attacks on them are well documented and you expect violent/desperate/drunk criminals to resist arrest, so it's part of the territory I suppose.
But attacking people who are there to save lives- some of whom have been lured out on fake call outs so that they can be assaulted? An absolute disgrace and anyone caught doing so should be charged with a hate crime and have a minimum 10 year conviction with no parole.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 7, 2020 15:08:45 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 7, 2020 16:21:50 GMT
Should have shot him dead an even better solution. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 7, 2020 16:29:17 GMT
Should have shot him dead an even better solution. Yields loads of intelligence, that approach yeah. Great suggestion  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 9, 2020 19:10:07 GMT
Not an assault but it kind of sums up how the police are viewed nowadays.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 10, 2020 6:52:59 GMT
Should have shot him dead an even better solution. Yields loads of intelligence, that approach yeah. Great suggestion Taser would be the better option to get intel but it’s better to have too much sympathy. Can you imagine if they simply kept obs on him and he lashed out and killed a couple of innocent members of the public. Being a firearms officer is an incredibly difficult job. However well trained you are sometimes you have a split second to make a decision which could cost someone there life or save many others. In relation to the original subject anyone found guilty should receive a minimum sentence of 10 years. Until this happens nothing will change. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 10, 2020 16:54:02 GMT
Yields loads of intelligence, that approach yeah. Great suggestion Taser would be the better option to get intel but it’s better to have too much sympathy. Can you imagine if they simply kept obs on him and he lashed out and killed a couple of innocent members of the public. Being a firearms officer is an incredibly difficult job. However well trained you are sometimes you have a split second to make a decision which could cost someone there life or save many others. In relation to the original subject anyone found guilty should receive a minimum sentence of 10 years. Until this happens nothing will change. That should include any cretin that gives them homophobic abuse on a scale that this fella went to from the Sentinel:
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 10, 2020 17:04:11 GMT
Taser would be the better option to get intel but it’s better to have too much sympathy. Can you imagine if they simply kept obs on him and he lashed out and killed a couple of innocent members of the public. Being a firearms officer is an incredibly difficult job. However well trained you are sometimes you have a split second to make a decision which could cost someone there life or save many others. In relation to the original subject anyone found guilty should receive a minimum sentence of 10 years. Until this happens nothing will change. That should include any cretin that gives them homophobic abuse on a scale that this fella went to from the Sentinel:
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
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From what you’ve posted I’d say he was very lucky to avoid a custodial. Let’s hope he learns from his mistake. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 10, 2020 17:15:31 GMT
That should include any cretin that gives them homophobic abuse on a scale that this fella went to from the Sentinel:
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
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From what you’ve posted I’d say he was very lucky to avoid a custodial. Let’s hope he learns from his mistake. He used to post on here  but not anymore obviously |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 10, 2020 22:41:24 GMT
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/family-of-man-shot-dead-by-met-police-criticise-inquiry-delayWhen will they stop supporting the criminals. His family talk like he’s an innocent man going about his business not a criminal with a firearm in the vehicle. If I was a firearms officer I’d refuse to arm myself. Time to down tools I think. When will families / parents start taking responsibilities for their sons / daughters when they’re alive and starting to get involved in criminality rather than when it’s too late. Maybe his family who are so critical need to look at why their son had a firearm in a car with his friends.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 11, 2020 13:59:16 GMT
Taser would be the better option to get intel but it’s better to have too much sympathy. Can you imagine if they simply kept obs on him and he lashed out and killed a couple of innocent members of the public. Being a firearms officer is an incredibly difficult job. However well trained you are sometimes you have a split second to make a decision which could cost someone there life or save many others. In relation to the original subject anyone found guilty should receive a minimum sentence of 10 years. Until this happens nothing will change. That should include any cretin that gives them homophobic abuse on a scale that this fella went to from the Sentinel:
Simon Cliff failed to provide a specimen of breath twice in a month after being pulled over back in 2017.
And following the second arrest he made homophobic comments to a police officer at the Northern Area Custody Facility in Etruria.
But rather than learn his fate in court, the defendant left the country and has only recently returned to the UK to spend time with his mum who has dementia.
Now 55-year-old Cliff has finally been sentenced to a 12-month community order at North Staffordshire Justice Centre.
Prosecutor Emma Pickard said police were called to Newcastle on September 20, 2017 after they received reports the defendant had been drink-driving.
Miss Pickard said: “He provided a positive roadside test and was taken to custody but refused to provide a sample.”
About a month later, on October 18, 2017, the police became aware of the defendant’s vehicle as it overtook two cars.
Miss Pickard said: “Police activated their blue lights. The defendant continued to drive erratically and overtook another two vehicles. Eventually he came to a stop. He confirmed he had consumed half a bottle of vodka and that he was an alcoholic.
“He was taken to custody but refused to give a specimen of breath.”
The defendant became abusive to a police officer in the custody suite.
Miss Pickard said: “The defendant began to call the officer ‘gay’ and ‘queer’ and made other homophobic comments.
“A solicitor not connected to the defendant asked him to stop.”
The victim found the abuse extremely upsetting and said he felt violated.
The defendant failed to attend court to learn his fate and returned to Thailand where he was living with his family.
Cliff, of Knowl Wall, Beech, pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a specimen for analysis; indecent behaviour at a police station, and failing to surrender to bail.
Emma Wiseman, mitigating, said the defendant has been a high functioning alcoholic for most of his adult life.
In 2016 his daughter stopped having contact with him and he waited about 12 months before having some ‘Dutch courage’ and going to see her.
He was then hit with a non-molestation order before his second arrest and went to Thailand before being sentenced for the offences.
He has now returned to spend time with his mum.
As part of the community order Cliff must complete a rehabilitation activity requirement for five days and a drink-impaired drivers’ programme.
He was disqualified from driving for 12 months.
District Judge Timothy Boswell said: “Rather than face the music you chose to leave the country. You have been in Thailand for the majority of time since then where you have been running businesses.
“No police officer should have to put up with that kind of abuse.
“Your alcohol use, you say, is now under control.
“Your mother’s health is a factor in not imposing a prison sentence.”
Cliff was fined £200 and ordered to pay £270 costs and an £85 surcharge.
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Why are you still posting this fella? Not terribly bright are you  |
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but not anymore obviously 
