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Post by partickpotter on Oct 8, 2020 5:33:31 GMT
Meanwhile to put the above result into perspective, Andorra's full team is at this moment losing to the Cape Verde Islands... And a little more perspective... England had won all of their previous 6 games in qualification and needed just 3 points to qualify. Seems to me this was a case of not taking the opponent seriously rather than a systemic problem with the team or manager. The outcome of the game was of course appalling, but the outlook for the side is still good. They still need three points after the draw and have 3 games to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 5:54:13 GMT
What else could I possibly be talking about...? England. England as opposed to England? You've lost me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 5:56:51 GMT
Meanwhile to put the above result into perspective, Andorra's full team is at this moment losing to the Cape Verde Islands... And a little more perspective... England had won all of their previous 6 games in qualification and needed just 3 points to qualify. Seems to me this was a case of not taking the opponent seriously rather than a systemic problem with the team or manager. The outcome of the game was of course appalling, but the outlook for the side is still good. They still need three points after the draw and have 3 games to do it. You can go a goal behind in a game if you're not taking it seriously. But to concede three times asks questions about whether the team or manager is in the right game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 7:24:47 GMT
And a little more perspective... England had won all of their previous 6 games in qualification and needed just 3 points to qualify. Seems to me this was a case of not taking the opponent seriously rather than a systemic problem with the team or manager. The outcome of the game was of course appalling, but the outlook for the side is still good. They still need three points after the draw and have 3 games to do it. You can go a goal behind in a game if you're not taking it seriously. But to concede three times asks questions about whether the team or manager is in the right game. If you don't approach a correctly right and play in first gear, it's not always easy to go up the gears and perform to your potential. Like most sports a lot of what goes on is between the ears. I'm not an advocate of Boothroyd by the way, unless he's totally changed his philosophy over the last few years he was basically a coach that played the percentage game, there must be someone more suited to the development of young English talent......
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Post by nott1 on Oct 8, 2020 7:51:08 GMT
Maybe Andorra have a crop of outstanding young talent coming through, and in a few years they’ll be international heavyweights.... Maybe. Ours won't!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 8:32:37 GMT
Meanwhile to put the above result into perspective, Andorra's full team is at this moment losing to the Cape Verde Islands... And a little more perspective... England had won all of their previous 6 games in qualification and needed just 3 points to qualify. Seems to me this was a case of not taking the opponent seriously rather than a systemic problem with the team or manager. The outcome of the game was of course appalling, but the outlook for the side is still good. They still need three points after the draw and have 3 games to do it. People have been complaining about Boothroyd from the get go and why wouldn't you? You'd struggle to find a worse fit. He's mates with Southgate apparently.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 8, 2020 8:38:47 GMT
And a little more perspective... England had won all of their previous 6 games in qualification and needed just 3 points to qualify. Seems to me this was a case of not taking the opponent seriously rather than a systemic problem with the team or manager. The outcome of the game was of course appalling, but the outlook for the side is still good. They still need three points after the draw and have 3 games to do it. People have been complaining about Boothroyd from the get go and why wouldn't you? You'd struggle to find a worse fit. He's mates with Southgate apparently. Don’t get me started on Southgate! Anyway, whether or not you are a fan of Mr Boothroyd, the fact is he has done well, up to last night, in terms of results. Last night, seems to me a problem of complacency more than competence. As PP says, it’s very hard to go up through the gears if you start in bottom. Hopefully that is something the players learn.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 8:40:54 GMT
People have been complaining about Boothroyd from the get go and why wouldn't you? You'd struggle to find a worse fit. He's mates with Southgate apparently. Don’t get me started on Southgate! Anyway, whether or not you are a fan of Mr Boothroyd, the fact is he has done well, up to last night, in terms of results. Last night, seems to me a problem of complacency more than competence. As PP says, it’s very hard to go up through the gears if you start in bottom. Hopefully that is something the players learn. I have to admit also when I look at last nights line up it doesn't scream "Class of 2020" - I haven't even heard of a handful of them. Still should have had enough in the tank to win comfortably obviously but not the greatest u-21 line up I've ever seen.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 8:50:56 GMT
People have been complaining about Boothroyd from the get go and why wouldn't you? You'd struggle to find a worse fit. He's mates with Southgate apparently. Don’t get me started on Southgate! Anyway, whether or not you are a fan of Mr Boothroyd, the fact is he has done well, up to last night, in terms of results. Last night, seems to me a problem of complacency more than competence. As PP says, it’s very hard to go up through the gears if you start in bottom. Hopefully that is something the players learn. The performances haven't been good though and the u21 side is a development side, performances matter.
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Post by ab61 on Oct 8, 2020 8:54:24 GMT
Strange result in football shock 🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 8:57:49 GMT
Strange result in football shock 🙄 Well yeah but it's a culmination of the U21's being completely underwhelming under a manager who would be lucky to get a job in the Conference otherwise.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 8, 2020 9:04:49 GMT
Don’t get me started on Southgate! Anyway, whether or not you are a fan of Mr Boothroyd, the fact is he has done well, up to last night, in terms of results. Last night, seems to me a problem of complacency more than competence. As PP says, it’s very hard to go up through the gears if you start in bottom. Hopefully that is something the players learn. The performances haven't been good though and the u21 side is a development side, performances matter. I’ve not watched the games so can’t comment. In truth, I gave up on the national team(s) after Bloemfontein. But, I agree with you, performance is very important. But, I simply don’t care. I just don’t get emotionally engaged any more with the national football side. When Stoke win, I’m always thrilled, when we lose I’m pissed off. Whatever England do, it just doesn’t register.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 8, 2020 9:09:04 GMT
He really is and like the post above, how did he ever get the job? A failed lower league manager in charge of some of the best young players in the world. But lets talk about those players, they've got to have some professional pride and just make sure beat fecking Andorra. We bought Hudson-Odoi, Nketiah, Bellingham and Sessegnon off the bench! Is it a coach that a national team needs though? I mean, they spend about a month together over the course of a year. What coaching is going to stick. Surely a tactician and motivator and essentially someone who knows how to win football games is more important than someone who can train them when he would barely see them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 9:09:46 GMT
The performances haven't been good though and the u21 side is a development side, performances matter. I’ve not watched the games so can’t comment. In truth, I gave up on the national team(s) after Bloemfontein. But, I agree with you, performance is very important. But, I simply don’t care. I just don’t get emotionally engaged any more with the national football side. When Stoke win, I’m always thrilled, when we lose I’m pissed off. Whatever England do, it just doesn’t register. Tbh I'm the same but if they're on I'll watch them and I do still care if I see it being discussed etc. But I couldn't tell you who we're playing next and if it isn't on terrestrial tv I definitely won't watch it and if it's on ITV, I'll watch it if I remember.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 9:11:32 GMT
He really is and like the post above, how did he ever get the job? A failed lower league manager in charge of some of the best young players in the world. But lets talk about those players, they've got to have some professional pride and just make sure beat fecking Andorra. We bought Hudson-Odoi, Nketiah, Bellingham and Sessegnon off the bench! Is it a coach that a national team needs though? I mean, they spend about a month together over the course of a year. What coaching is going to stick. Surely a tactician and motivator and essentially someone who knows how to win football games is more important than someone who can train them when he would barely see them. Young players need coaching. Before the FA saved him, Boothroyd was sacked by Northampton with them bottom of League Two.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 8, 2020 9:14:17 GMT
Is it a coach that a national team needs though? I mean, they spend about a month together over the course of a year. What coaching is going to stick. Surely a tactician and motivator and essentially someone who knows how to win football games is more important than someone who can train them when he would barely see them. Young players need coaching. Before the FA saved him, Boothroyd was sacked by Northampton with them bottom of League Two. Yes of course, but surely that is mainly their clubs responsibility. I'm not sure how a week of training with a group of players that could be different a couple months later is going to be that beneficial? Certainly not for the match they would have a few days after meeting up, perhaps individually they would take some snippets away for improvement. I just don't see the team benefit if I'm honest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 9:52:05 GMT
You can go a goal behind in a game if you're not taking it seriously. But to concede three times asks questions about whether the team or manager is in the right game. If you don't approach a correctly right and play in first gear, it's not always easy to go up the gears and perform to your potential. Like most sports a lot of what goes on is between the ears. I'm not an advocate of Boothroyd by the way, unless he's totally changed his philosophy over the last few years he was basically a coach that played the percentage game, there must be someone more suited to the development of young English talent...... True, motivation goes on between the ears, but if you don't find motivation in pulling on the national shirt in the first place, then you definitely are always going to struggle.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 8, 2020 10:32:54 GMT
He really is and like the post above, how did he ever get the job? A failed lower league manager in charge of some of the best young players in the world. But lets talk about those players, they've got to have some professional pride and just make sure beat fecking Andorra. We bought Hudson-Odoi, Nketiah, Bellingham and Sessegnon off the bench! We have a failed lower league manager in charge of the national team!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2020 11:04:31 GMT
He really is and like the post above, how did he ever get the job? A failed lower league manager in charge of some of the best young players in the world. But lets talk about those players, they've got to have some professional pride and just make sure beat fecking Andorra. We bought Hudson-Odoi, Nketiah, Bellingham and Sessegnon off the bench! We have a failed lower league manager in charge of the national team! We do and I'd sack him tomorrow tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 2:53:21 GMT
september 12th is pie and love day in Andorra
Lasses can woo eligible gentlemen of the Tony Knowles or Robin Askwith nature by bestowing a pie upon them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:53:56 GMT
It's hard to claim they hung on for dear life , then scored a worldy out of nowhere , when you have conceded 3 times against a team with 18 per cent possession and that team is Andorra u21.
The only reasonable explanation is that this lot can't defend .
Hudson-odoi , ramsdale etc , think they have arrived and are the business , because that's what their bank account tells them . Their bank account is telling them , they are top players , and your bank account doesn't lie .
Either that , or mediocre players are now getting paid millions .
Sadly it is the later ☹️
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