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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 16:25:16 GMT
Like Fletcher before him. Ex top drawer players that just can't hack it anymore even at this level!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2020 16:25:37 GMT
He's not really fit yet.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2020 16:25:49 GMT
Judge him when he’s fully fit I’d say
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 20, 2020 16:26:20 GMT
I thought he was alright today. Still a bit rusty but you can see the class there.
Too early to judge him yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 20, 2020 16:26:35 GMT
What’s he done wrong?
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 16:27:14 GMT
At fault for the second goal?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 20, 2020 16:27:23 GMT
He did orate last week vs Millwall, touch wood it was just a bad day at the office today.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 16:28:22 GMT
Isn't it a bit harsh on Cousins?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:28:38 GMT
The problem is the system. Why play Mikel as a holding midfielder in front of 5 defenders?
It's illogical bullshit. He has nothing really to do of note defensively and doesn't really have an outball other than a ball over the top to a duracell bunny.
What do you want him to do or achieve in this setup?
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Post by liathroid on Sept 20, 2020 16:28:49 GMT
Judge him when he’s fully fit I’d say if hes not fully fit play him in the cup not the league |
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 16:31:27 GMT
The problem is the system. Why play Mikel as a holding midfielder in front of 5 defenders? It's illogical bullshit. He has nothing really to do of note defensively and doesn't really have an outball other than a ball over the top to a duracell bunny. What do you want him to do or achieve in this setup? So that's effectively 6 defenders conceding 2 goals at home. |
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Post by nonameface on Sept 20, 2020 16:52:10 GMT
The problem is the system. Why play Mikel as a holding midfielder in front of 5 defenders? It's illogical bullshit. He has nothing really to do of note defensively and doesn't really have an outball other than a ball over the top to a duracell bunny. What do you want him to do or achieve in this setup? Today he offered next to no protection to the backline which is why Bristol city kept ripping straight through us instead of running down the wings. His range of passing was fairly decent, but if he's that off the pace and is being played into fitness thenI think we need another DM playing alongside of him. That then takes away someone who's more likely to be more attacking. What's wrong with making him earn his place like the rest of them? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:54:32 GMT
The problem is the system. Why play Mikel as a holding midfielder in front of 5 defenders? It's illogical bullshit. He has nothing really to do of note defensively and doesn't really have an outball other than a ball over the top to a duracell bunny. What do you want him to do or achieve in this setup? Today he offered next to no protection to the backline which is why Bristol city kept ripping straight through us instead of running down the wings. His range of passing was fairly decent, but if he's that off the pace and is being played into fitness thenI think we need another DM playing alongside of him. That then takes away someone who's more likely to be more attacking. What's wrong with making him earn his place like the rest of them? I think we're on dodgy ground with your last sentence with the way that certain players just keep magically finding their way into the side, don't you? The whole midfield three were all over the place today, because Clucas and Powell hadn't got a clue where to go, because the two wingbacks were far too deep - which exposed the entire midfield. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 16:55:18 GMT
I thought he was ok.
Forever looking for some movement to make the pass and didn’t get it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:58:48 GMT
I personally don’t think he should be playing yet. O’Neill said he wasn’t fit. So don’t bloody play him, it’s as simple as that
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 20, 2020 17:00:21 GMT
Mikel hasn’t been the problem.
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Post by houstonsteve on Sept 20, 2020 17:02:13 GMT
I just think he is not match fit and having Powell more often than not drifting into a No 10 position, and then having to chase back behind play and in addition Clucas all over the place can't help either. Massive gap for him to fill in midfield and he isn't fit enough for that yet.
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Post by nonameface on Sept 20, 2020 17:02:58 GMT
Today he offered next to no protection to the backline which is why Bristol city kept ripping straight through us instead of running down the wings. His range of passing was fairly decent, but if he's that off the pace and is being played into fitness thenI think we need another DM playing alongside of him. That then takes away someone who's more likely to be more attacking. What's wrong with making him earn his place like the rest of them? I think we're on dodgy ground with your last sentence with the way that certain players just keep magically finding their way into the side, don't you? The whole midfield three were all over the place today, because Clucas and Powell hadn't got a clue where to go, because the two wingbacks were far too deep - which exposed the entire midfield. It could become dodgy ground, but he's earned the trust of the players by keeping them up so gives him time to bed him in if he wants; it wouldn't be my choice. Who else do you see as getting preferable treatment? Vokes? It's an asymmetric wing back system, Fox sits deeper and looks like he could be a good full back or part of the bank three, Smith looks reasonable going forward, less so defensively. McLean or Tymon could be better left wing back options. |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 20, 2020 17:08:11 GMT
Past it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:09:57 GMT
I thought he was one of the only ones that looked at it. Powell frustrated me no end on the other hand; on the rare occasion he did get the ball he did nothing with it.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 20, 2020 17:09:58 GMT
Mikel? From what I've seen he has done ok.
He looked better at Millwall but the problem today was a moment of extremely poor defending after turning off before half time combined with very lacklustre attacking play all match. Second goal was a direct result of the first as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2020 17:12:16 GMT
I think he was one of the least of our problems today.
I thought Powell gave away masses of possession trying the Hollywood passes that didn't come off. When Powell plays well the team play well, but not today.
Clucas started by nearly giving them a goal, then played well as we gradually got on top, then seemed to fade away and disappear for long periods.
Brown was the only player making an impression and posing any sort of threat but eventually ran out of steam.
Words escape me for many of the others.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 20, 2020 17:15:22 GMT
He did nothing wrong.
In that system when none of the centre backs are stepping out, and none of them did today, its not really clear what he's to do
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 20, 2020 17:17:00 GMT
I personally don’t think he should be playing yet. O’Neill said he wasn’t fit. So don’t bloody play him, it’s as simple as that You can only get match fit by playing matches though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:17:07 GMT
I think we're on dodgy ground with your last sentence with the way that certain players just keep magically finding their way into the side, don't you? The whole midfield three were all over the place today, because Clucas and Powell hadn't got a clue where to go, because the two wingbacks were far too deep - which exposed the entire midfield. It could become dodgy ground, but he's earned the trust of the players by keeping them up so gives him time to bed him in if he wants; it wouldn't be my choice. Who else do you see as getting preferable treatment? Vokes? It's an asymmetric wing back system, Fox sits deeper and looks like he could be a good full back or part of the bank three, Smith looks reasonable going forward, less so defensively. McLean or Tymon could be better left wing back options. Vokes and Chester for starters - perhaps a few more when you look at performances over the longer term of his tenure. Danny Batth is another one. In most games i've seen (somehow) the manager flick his arms up at him in exasperation at his distribution yet he keeps on getting picked at the same time as his moaning about our creativity post match!? I agree about Fox in a back three, said the same after Millwall last week. I don't think we have a proper bona fide wingback in the building. McClean has defensive issues, but is better than Fox - Tymon unproven but ditto re Fox. On the right there is Edwards but still has issues with his game. Ideally we need two new to make the system resembling something of a sensible starting eleven. How this fits into this Mikel thread is simple for me - there will be by-products of a failing system that will be undermined by it's failings and Mikel is one of those players. Eventually, Jacob Brown will get burnt out because of all of the running he'll have to do. Powell is already getting pelters and Clucas won't be far off. The two wider midfielders are a concern for me. In this currently failing wing back system, the amount of work they need to do to cover the failing wingbacks is akin to the two wider midfielders in Nathan's diamond, with the same issues with non-attacking wing backs. The two of them already looked lost and we saw it with Clucas last year under Jones. He hadn't got a clue when to defend, when to attack and suddenly lost his ability to pass a ball, often resorting to back passes. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 20, 2020 17:19:38 GMT
The problem for me is he hasn’t earned the right to play cousins was doubt fine at the end if the season the shirt was his to lose yet it seems he doesn’t fit as Thomson even is ahead of him , not real meritocracy here , if Mikel isn’t ft he shouldn’t play until he is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:22:46 GMT
I personally don’t think he should be playing yet. O’Neill said he wasn’t fit. So don’t bloody play him, it’s as simple as that You can only get match fit by playing matches though. I’d have played him Thursday to be honest. Hindsight and all that but I would. O’Neill has openly said he’s not match fit yet so up there training sessions and ease him in |
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 20, 2020 17:37:37 GMT
Thought he was comfortably the best of the midfield three.
Not that it really says a lot as Powell and Clucas were garbage.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 20, 2020 17:37:53 GMT
Robbing a living
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:39:58 GMT
Not match fit. He said it, the manager said it, I can see it. He will be a key player for us though so the only way to get him ready is to play him...
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