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Post by datguy on Sept 18, 2020 17:02:02 GMT
Biggest indicator into how good Ben Chilwell is that Man City have been desperate for a LB for years and they've never gone for him.
Why is that?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 18, 2020 17:02:59 GMT
Maybe the ones who don’t like him are the ones who he has called out. Doesn’t seem to be bothering the rest of the team? I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s. Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 17:05:09 GMT
I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s. Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 18, 2020 17:07:04 GMT
He’s just another young player on a long lucrative contract not pulling his weight by the sounds of it. Get rid!
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 18, 2020 17:08:23 GMT
Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that. I believe it. Hes been warned about his lifestyle on numerous occasions.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 18, 2020 17:09:16 GMT
Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that. Why did edwards turn up unfit at the start of last season, couldn't even fucking run when he played, and apparently turned up unfit after lockdown? You've seen him more than me. I don't understand why he looked way better when I saw him at 17 than he did last season
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 18, 2020 17:09:33 GMT
Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that. Do you think that you're the only person that hears things?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 18, 2020 17:11:11 GMT
Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that. Easily believable when he looked 2 stone over weight and couldn’t run.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 17:11:26 GMT
No, Bayern, he isn't very good on the ball. He is good at choosing the safe solution, but I must admit I've many times wanted to tear my hair out when he has played it over the touchline intead of playing it back to the keeper or forward. I've really liked Ryan too, but because he is a very good defender, and not because he is very good on the ball. In fact I can see many similarities between Ryan and Batth, same strengths and weaknesses. He is good on the ball. If you think they’re similar then God help you. That's the problem with you, Bayern, you think you have the answer all the time. As you might have noticed a lot of people on this board disagree with you, you also think your opinion counts more than managers at the highest level! Has it ever occured to you that you might be the one to be wrong?? In fact I'm not very impressed by your assessment of our players, but sometimes I might be wrong anyhow! At least I have the ability to go back and see that, yes, I was wrong here, but have you got that in you, Bayern!? Because you seem to think you have the answer to everything, but in fact your assessment isn't that impressive time after time in many people's opinion. This doesn't seem to stop you anyhow, because you almost seem obsessed by being right, even if everything else seems to say you're wrong! Get down from your high horse and stop going on forever as your opinion counts more than others. I don't know if you have any badges in football, but you seem determined you know best whatever it is football related!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 18, 2020 17:14:21 GMT
Smith played well yeah but I thought Batth was still his useless self on the whole. The goals imo blinded people. And I hope so. So far past Chester and Thompson the incomings seem good. Even if Fletcher and Mikel are OAP’s. 😂 You think Batth’s goals blinded people? Proper patronising talk. The goals were a bonus to some solid defensive displays were we didn’t concede many goals. I do think people have quickly forgotten how bad Batth has been for us on the basis of a couple of good results after lockdown when we still didn't defend particularly well. He needs to be dropped for Souttar asap
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 17:22:08 GMT
He is good on the ball. If you think they’re similar then God help you. That's the problem with you, Bayern, you think you have the answer all the time. As you might have noticed a lot of people on this board disagree with you, you also think your opinion counts more than managers at the highest level! Has it ever occured to you that you might be the one to be wrong?? In fact I'm not very impressed by your assessment of our players, but sometimes I might be wrong anyhow! At least I have the ability to go back and see that, yes, I was wrong here, but have you got that in you, Bayern!? Because you seem to think you have the answer to everything, but in fact your assessment isn't that impressive time after time in many people's opinion. This doesn't seem to stop you anyhow, because you almost seem obsessed by being right, even if everything else seems to say you're wrong! Get down from your high horse and stop going on forever as your opinion counts more than others. I don't know if you have any badges in football, but you seem determined you know best whatever it is football related! If you don’t think Shawcross is decent on the ball then you are wrong. It’s as simple as that.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 17:27:39 GMT
That's the problem with you, Bayern, you think you have the answer all the time. As you might have noticed a lot of people on this board disagree with you, you also think your opinion counts more than managers at the highest level! Has it ever occured to you that you might be the one to be wrong?? In fact I'm not very impressed by your assessment of our players, but sometimes I might be wrong anyhow! At least I have the ability to go back and see that, yes, I was wrong here, but have you got that in you, Bayern!? Because you seem to think you have the answer to everything, but in fact your assessment isn't that impressive time after time in many people's opinion. This doesn't seem to stop you anyhow, because you almost seem obsessed by being right, even if everything else seems to say you're wrong! Get down from your high horse and stop going on forever as your opinion counts more than others. I don't know if you have any badges in football, but you seem determined you know best whatever it is football related! If you don’t think Shawcross is decent on the ball then you are wrong. It’s as simple as that. Of course I am, Bayern, you always have the right answer!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 18, 2020 17:29:57 GMT
Wonder if we'll sign Hardy and Willis as well 🤔😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 17:44:06 GMT
I mean Ryan is (/was) much for aggressive, vocal and can read the game better. He’s also (/was) quicker. But if he was a good ball player, he’d have moved on from Stoke. He was an excellent defender and if he could play good passes forward, he’d have been an England centre half over players like Cahill, Jones and Smalling. He did however, often seem to know his limitations and mostly just opted for a very basic back/sideways pass. He is better than all of those. Successive morons in charge didn’t pick him. He’s shown for us that he’s good on the ball under Hughes. Who was the one that would pass the ball out? Ryan. You don’t graduate from the Man Yoo academy without being able to pass a football. He was better than all of those yes, defensively. The comment on Man Utd academy is rubbish. Players come in all shapes and sizes. For a few years in the Prem, Ryan was the best stopper in the league. But he wasn’t comfortable enough on the ball to take his career further than a mid table Prem team. P.s James Chester was a Man Utd academy graduate. You know, the person that you often say is tosh on the ball and off it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 18, 2020 17:52:11 GMT
Anyone remember a young fullback we once had from our 'famed' production line who was 'allegedly' destined for great things named Brian Wilson?! He's 37 now & plays for Matlock Town after years of playing lower league football. Didn't he have one good season with Cheltenham Town after he left us, and scored several goals from midfield. Looked to be developing into a really good player at one point.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 18, 2020 18:01:38 GMT
Kieron Freeman. (Sentinel say Stoke not in talks with him)
The Sentinel say lots of things.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 18, 2020 18:03:58 GMT
Here’s hoping we not
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 18, 2020 18:22:11 GMT
Maybe the ones who don’t like him are the ones who he has called out. Doesn’t seem to be bothering the rest of the team? I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s. I thought Edwards looked good in that game too, but given Kyremetang knocked in 4, it's probably not a great indicator of their current quality.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 18:25:05 GMT
I don’t think it’s bothered Edwards either. He looks fitter than ever and played well on Monday for the u23s. I thought Edwards looked good in that game too, but given Kyremetang knocked in 4, it's probably not a great indicator of their current quality. I wasn’t it was. More pointing out that it’s not bothered him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 18, 2020 18:55:20 GMT
You think Danny Batth who has been shit for for us bar 1.5 games at the end of last is good. 🤦♂️Spare me. Yes, he was our most important player after the lockdown, and the main reason why we stayed up (along with MON)! Bloody hell that's pushing it a bit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 18, 2020 18:59:26 GMT
What is this bizarre obsession/myth around Edwards? He's 21, and should've kicked on by now. If he's nearly as good as some believe, he'd have teams falling over themselves to get him, especially considering he's in our bomb squad. The facts are, his attitude clearly isn't where it needs to be, and he's been poor when given chances. He will end up at a League One side or lower next - and nobody should be worried about that 😂 Rate him or not there'll be a few in the champ after him I would have thought, Prem experience, still only 21 so potential to improve and probably won't cost too much in fee or wages.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 19:09:44 GMT
Yes, he was our most important player after the lockdown, and the main reason why we stayed up (along with MON)! Bloody hell that's pushing it a bit. Really!? I haven't seen the stats, but he won an enormous amount of headers, made numerous blocks and scored several important goals for us, I actually think he was.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 19:12:08 GMT
Shame he couldn't be arsed to get/stay fit during our relegation battle. If you believe that. Its quite obviously true. Or you're calling Oneill a liar?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2020 19:13:22 GMT
Its quite obviously true. Or you're calling Oneill a liar? Don't bother, Bayern knows better than MON himself you know.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 19:18:43 GMT
What is this bizarre obsession/myth around Edwards? He's 21, and should've kicked on by now. If he's nearly as good as some believe, he'd have teams falling over themselves to get him, especially considering he's in our bomb squad. The facts are, his attitude clearly isn't where it needs to be, and he's been poor when given chances. He will end up at a League One side or lower next - and nobody should be worried about that 😂 Rate him or not there'll be a few in the champ after him I would have thought, Prem experience, still only 21 so potential to improve and probably won't cost too much in fee or wages. Prem experience is pushing it. Championship is about right.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 18, 2020 20:44:50 GMT
Rate him or not there'll be a few in the champ after him I would have thought, Prem experience, still only 21 so potential to improve and probably won't cost too much in fee or wages. Prem experience is pushing it. Championship is about right. Fair enough, I still think there'd be a few champ clubs in for him.
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2020 23:17:24 GMT
Is it one out followed by one in?
Was a right back thinking of leaving?
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 18, 2020 23:17:26 GMT
Oh Christ you don’t think Shawcross is good on the ball! Of course you don’t 😂😂 No, Bayern, he isn't very good on the ball. He is good at choosing the safe solution, but I must admit I've many times wanted to tear my hair out when he has played it over the touchline intead of playing it back to the keeper or forward. I've really liked Ryan too, but because he is a very good defender, and not because he is very good on the ball. In fact I can see many similarities between Ryan and Batth, same strengths and weaknesses. Behave. Shawcross is 10times the player baath is. Ryan was decent on the ball, just never had to shoe it under pulis, he showed it under hughes numerous times.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 19, 2020 5:10:39 GMT
Batth came in few good appearances in a pick and mix side thought he was decent. He then turned to shit slow turning circle of the arc royal bad decisions etc etc Came back after lockdown had a few decent games putting in blocks etc etc Scored some important goals Sometimes you are only as good as the players around you so we shall see now the team is improving Certainly picking him over Lyndsey So for me Danny boy keep it up and will do better
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