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Wimmer
May 31, 2021 8:28:02 GMT
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Post by a on May 31, 2021 8:28:02 GMT
Nah I know I was being facetious 😂 But if you weigh it up with what I said we have once again made a monumental fuck up and are letting a full international go for nothing. We are an embarrassment of a club when it comes to buying and selling players. He's only won a few caps and the last one goes several years back, moreover Austria, while they have qualified for a couple of GTs, have never set the world alight in recent times. So there's really no value added on to his status. Regardless of that, he’s played for two top flight teams in this country and we’re having to give him away, it’s shocking no matter his international status.
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May 31, 2021 8:51:23 GMT
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 31, 2021 8:51:23 GMT
For every £18m Imbula or Wimmer there was a £6m Uruguayan youth international ( Arismendi ) and a £8m palacios ....not as much granted but in real terms they were just as expensive given the difference in TV money at that time, £18m was and still is an average sum of money in the premiership ....it’s all relitive and Pulis gets an easy ride Arismendi was less than £3m. The fee could have risen higher, but I don't think he made enough appearances. Every manager makes signings that don't work out but far too many during Hughes', Rowett's and Jones' tenure were catastrophic.
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Wimmer
Jun 2, 2021 9:10:30 GMT
Post by eddyclamp on Jun 2, 2021 9:10:30 GMT
What a pisser Wimmer signs for a team called Rapid.
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Jun 3, 2021 11:50:25 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 3, 2021 11:50:25 GMT
What a pisser Wimmer signs for a team called Rapid. Confidence player fails at team that fails to facilitate confidence shocker. What player has succeeded at Stoke in the last 4 years?? Numerous players and managers have pointed out that the club was toxic. I'd argue it still is, next season will be extremely difficult with fans disgruntled, failing to show any form of ambition, grinding out draws against Luton, Barnsley(expect them to beat us to be honest), Rotherham, Coventry. MoN reverting to type, more injuries due to the excessive number of games. It's going to be rough.
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Wimmer
Jun 3, 2021 15:47:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 15:47:45 GMT
He's only won a few caps and the last one goes several years back, moreover Austria, while they have qualified for a couple of GTs, have never set the world alight in recent times. So there's really no value added on to his status. Regardless of that, he’s played for two top flight teams in this country and we’re having to give him away, it’s shocking no matter his international status. It happens. Look at players like Lescott. Anyway he's gone now . I don't think he'll ever be gone on here though. He seems to get mentioned on threads about fishing and where are you going on holidays etc. Always in our hearts.
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Jun 3, 2021 16:04:22 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jun 3, 2021 16:04:22 GMT
What a pisser Wimmer signs for a team called Rapid. Confidence player fails at team that fails to facilitate confidence shocker. What player has succeeded at Stoke in the last 4 years??
Numerous players and managers have pointed out that the club was toxic. I'd argue it still is, next season will be extremely difficult with fans disgruntled, failing to show any form of ambition, grinding out draws against Luton, Barnsley(expect them to beat us to be honest), Rotherham, Coventry. MoN reverting to type, more injuries due to the excessive number of games. It's going to be rough. Campbell, Souttar, Collins and Powell. That’s about it. Three came through the system and one whose career was in the toilet. Cost virtually nothing (except wages, which is money well spent).
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Post by anchorman on Jun 4, 2021 21:47:34 GMT
Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX. Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 4, 2021 22:26:51 GMT
Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure. For the millionth time Hughes produced a team that was a joy to watch by adding to the Pulis spine. Why can't some accept that both Pulis and Hughes produced very good Stoke sides?
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Jun 4, 2021 23:11:37 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jun 4, 2021 23:11:37 GMT
Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure. Couldn't agree more
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Jun 4, 2021 23:18:15 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 4, 2021 23:18:15 GMT
Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure. Agree, you only have to look at what happened at QPR and Fulham after Hughes left to see that.
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Jun 5, 2021 7:22:52 GMT
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Post by crowey on Jun 5, 2021 7:22:52 GMT
.... his connections did help us get some flair players who would never have entertained the thought of playing for us, but that was about it
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2021 7:34:56 GMT
For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure. Agree, you only have to look at what happened at QPR and Fulham after Hughes left to see that. Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left them in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
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Jun 5, 2021 8:08:56 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jun 5, 2021 8:08:56 GMT
For the millionth time, Hughes wouldn't & couldn't recognise nor build a spine/foundation to a team period. He lived off 10 years of hard graft from TP and when the core of the team aged he didn't have the skill, vision or brains to build his own. There was only ever going to be one outcome with Hughes' tenure. For the millionth time Hughes produced a team that was a joy to watch by adding to the Pulis spine. Why can't some accept that both Pulis and Hughes produced very good Stoke sides? The combination was ace, maybe they should unite as a manager duo!?
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Jun 5, 2021 8:15:17 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jun 5, 2021 8:15:17 GMT
Agree, you only have to look at what happened at QPR and Fulham after Hughes left to see that. Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safariwe'd have stayed up with Hughes
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Jun 5, 2021 8:36:29 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jun 5, 2021 8:36:29 GMT
Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safariwe'd have stayed up with Hughes What gives you that impression, a near full strength team got outplayed and out fought by a minnow in the cup just before he left. That following on from horrible form, there isn't anything to suggest he would of sorted it, he was beaten, he knew it and so did his excuse for a team
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Jun 5, 2021 16:20:54 GMT
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jun 5, 2021 16:20:54 GMT
we'd have stayed up with Hughes What gives you that impression, a near full strength team got outplayed and out fought by a minnow in the cup just before he left. That following on from horrible form, there isn't anything to suggest he would of sorted it, he was beaten, he knew it and so did his excuse for a team [/quote Hughes would have kept us up we may well have been tonked a few times but we'd have got a few more wins than Lambert got which would have been enough. Board panicked and should have waited until the end of the season like they did with Pulis and then replaced Hughes what a disaster
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Jun 5, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 5, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safariwe'd have stayed up with Hughes Not a chance, he had lost it by the end.
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Jun 5, 2021 17:38:32 GMT
Post by Do it for dobing on Jun 5, 2021 17:38:32 GMT
we'd have stayed up with Hughes Not a chance, he had lost it by the end. You're wrong he would have got a couple of wins that's all we needed
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 5, 2021 18:24:56 GMT
Agree, you only have to look at what happened at QPR and Fulham after Hughes left to see that. Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safariFact is, it went great for a while with someone else’s team. Wasted loads of cash, recruitment was shite, dissembled a good team, wrecked team spirit and got beat by division 4 side at the end, last seen scuttling off up the tunnel at the Ricoh.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 5, 2021 18:28:54 GMT
You could keep this discussion going forever and you'll never get the answer! I think we looked better after Huges was sacked, but I think we waited too long. Even if that is what I think it's not the answer!!!
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Jun 5, 2021 18:36:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 18:36:41 GMT
this someone else's team one of those stupid cliches repeated on here. Hughes built a great side but failed trying to improve it even more. Bojan Shaq Arnie Ireland etc all great and exciting players when available. Prob had too much to spend as it went on.
If I remember rightly the team he inherited had been on a shocking run the season before but hey, Didn't they lose to Hartlepool in the cup one year ? Let's not mention that
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Jun 5, 2021 18:43:07 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 5, 2021 18:43:07 GMT
Not a chance, he had lost it by the end. You're wrong he would have got a couple of wins that's all we needed Prove that I'm wrong...... Playing Diouf as a wing back shows you he'd lost it, playing wing backs at all with not one at the club does that come to think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 18:45:54 GMT
Not a chance, he had lost it by the end. You're wrong he would have got a couple of wins that's all we needed How can he be wrong, when you're basing your opinion on what you believe might have happened?
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Jun 5, 2021 18:47:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 18:47:28 GMT
You're wrong he would have got a couple of wins that's all we needed Prove that I'm wrong...... Playing Diouf as a wing back shows you he'd lost it, playing wing backs at all with not one at the club does that come to think about it. Had the pen v Brighton gone in we probably would have stayed up for me. We'll never know anyway. The West Ham late goal etc. Either way we didn't but still the best football I've seen us play
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Jun 5, 2021 18:51:27 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 5, 2021 18:51:27 GMT
Prove that I'm wrong...... Playing Diouf as a wing back shows you he'd lost it, playing wing backs at all with not one at the club does that come to think about it. Had the pen v Brighton gone in we probably would have stayed up for me. We'll never know anyway. The West Ham late goal etc. Either way we didn't but still the best football I've seen us play I'm not disputing that we played some great football, he did a great job building on what was already there just that when they needed replacing the wheels fell off unfortunately.
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Jun 5, 2021 19:05:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 19:05:52 GMT
Had the pen v Brighton gone in we probably would have stayed up for me. We'll never know anyway. The West Ham late goal etc. Either way we didn't but still the best football I've seen us play I'm not disputing that we played some great football, he did a great job building on what was already there just that when they needed replacing the wheels fell off unfortunately. Yep,too much cash maybe as a few others have suffered from after a few seasons in the Prem. Lacazette and Werner were two he desperately wanted. Yarmalenko never took off here but maybe at a different club. Maybe what we needed was the odd shrewd signing like a Johnny Evans at the time rather than a record breaking midfielder
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Jun 5, 2021 19:45:06 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jun 5, 2021 19:45:06 GMT
What gives you that impression, a near full strength team got outplayed and out fought by a minnow in the cup just before he left. That following on from horrible form, there isn't anything to suggest he would of sorted it, he was beaten, he knew it and so did his excuse for a team [/quote Hughes would have kept us up we may well have been tonked a few times but we'd have got a few more wins than Lambert got which would have been enough. Board panicked and should have waited until the end of the season like they did with Pulis and then replaced Hughes what a disaster I'm not convinced he would have kept us up that season, imo they should have sacked him a god 12 months before and replaced him with a manager of a certain profile but for whatever reason they can't attract anybody of a certain pedigree, or just simply don't want someone of higher profile that will have certain demands and insist on certain things. Personally I think there is something in the small print of their contracts that puts them off like a condition that says they cannot blab to the press on behind the scenes activities in the event of parting company
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Jun 5, 2021 19:47:19 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jun 5, 2021 19:47:19 GMT
I'm not convinced he would have kept us up that season, imo they should have sacked him a god 12 months before and replaced him with a manager of a certain profile but for whatever reason they can't attract anybody of a certain pedigree, or just simply don't want someone of higher profile that will have certain demands and insist on certain things. Personally I think there is something in the small print of their contracts that puts them off like a condition that says they cannot blab to the press on behind the scenes activities in the event of parting company
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Jun 5, 2021 19:53:57 GMT
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Post by Sfance on Jun 5, 2021 19:53:57 GMT
Eh?....Hughes resigned from Fulham ( he wasn’t sacked ) with them in a very healthy position to take up the position of Aston Villa manager ( which never happened) and as for QPR good old media luvvy Harry Redknapp spent millions and left them in a shambles but the media don’t want to go down that route with their darling He may well be 50% culpable at QPR but the Fulham thing is totally not right at all and nothing to do with him as they were devastated when he left in a very good place Facts eh www.google.co.uk/search?q=mark+hughes+fulham+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safariMaybe your facts. My brother was a season ticket holder at Fulham at the time. He laughed out loud when Hughes came to Stoke.
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Post by yyy on Jun 5, 2021 19:54:34 GMT
Just think if scfc had a club museum that pen pen could have been worthy of a plinth
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