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Post by GoBoks on May 28, 2021 20:38:35 GMT
He’s responding to Stoke fans on Insta with sarcastic comments. Shows what an absolute wanker he is! Why shouldn't he respond sarcastically to some of the bellend comments "supporters" make? If someone was telling you things like "when you were born, the doctor threw you out the window, but the window threw you back"?
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Post by numpty40 on May 28, 2021 20:51:22 GMT
Thanks for nothing you useless twat, now just fuck off into your inevitable obscurity.
Yes I know the fee wasn't his fault but he really is the shittest signing we've ever made.
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May 28, 2021 21:11:25 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on May 28, 2021 21:11:25 GMT
He is without a shadow of a doubt the worst signing we've ever made! Imbula at least had a lot of talent, but unfortunately he wasn't willing to do what it takes to utilize it. Wimmer on the other hand has absolutely nothing in his locker worth more than £50 000, so why LMH went for this waster is beyond me! You're not wrong I've never ever seen him play in his career once despite being our record signing. Bravo Mark, bravo. A signing, for the price we paid we really come to appreciate for a few years I had seen him play a couple of times before we signed him and really thought we were totally mad to dish out that amount for such a limited player. I tried to say several times on this board before we signed him, but ..........
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 21:31:27 GMT
He’s responding to Stoke fans on Insta with sarcastic comments. Shows what an absolute wanker he is! Why shouldn't he respond sarcastically to some of the bellend comments "supporters" make? If someone was telling you things like "when you were born, the doctor threw you out the window, but the window threw you back"? Not sticking up for Wimmer but if you dish it out, don't cry if someone dares to give it back, you're right.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 28, 2021 21:35:03 GMT
A handful of good games get you 3 top 10 finished for the second time in our so illustrious history of winning things. forgot that. 3 x 9th place finishes didn't win anything either though, I've always said it and will maintain it that Mark Hughes got lucky by having a solid team of pros to work with, he added a bit of flair. He left us nothing of any value, as soon as Pulis' backbone of the team started thinning out so did his results. He replaced Robert Huth with Wimmer, Huth goes on to win a Premier league title He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 1:19:14 GMT
3 x 9th place finishes didn't win anything either though, I've always said it and will maintain it that Mark Hughes got lucky by having a solid team of pros to work with, he added a bit of flair. He left us nothing of any value, as soon as Pulis' backbone of the team started thinning out so did his results. He replaced Robert Huth with Wimmer, Huth goes on to win a Premier league title He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’? I agree with both sentiments. Hughes had a solid backbone to build on. I think he initially did that well. He cannot spot a good defender though, or strong central midfielder. His game is all about attacking (even when his teams weren’t good at it). That said, we did play some great football To me, he was a poor man’s Wenger. Graham have Wenger a great backbone and he added to it well. Then he tried to replace players like Dixon with Luzhny. He did spot Ashley Cole and bring in Campbell, but my God, most of the rest were not top 4. Similarly, Hughes never found a consistent centre back partnership and never really figured out how to mix style with grit in the middle either.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 7:05:44 GMT
3 x 9th place finishes didn't win anything either though, I've always said it and will maintain it that Mark Hughes got lucky by having a solid team of pros to work with, he added a bit of flair. He left us nothing of any value, as soon as Pulis' backbone of the team started thinning out so did his results. He replaced Robert Huth with Wimmer, Huth goes on to win a Premier league title He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’? He introduced a different style than Pulis did, signed 3 players who for a short time made all the difference. tp may never have introduced the flair but he would have never of flooded the squad with big money wasters. Mark Hughes failed to install a backbone, lived off pulis'. Completely undid everything that made us respected and successful
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 7:50:47 GMT
He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’? I agree with both sentiments. Hughes had a solid backbone to build on. I think he initially did that well. He cannot spot a good defender though, or strong central midfielder. His game is all about attacking (even when his teams weren’t good at it). That said, we did play some great football To me, he was a poor man’s Wenger. Graham have Wenger a great backbone and he added to it well. Then he tried to replace players like Dixon with Luzhny. He did spot Ashley Cole and bring in Campbell, but my God, most of the rest were not top 4. Similarly, Hughes never found a consistent centre back partnership and never really figured out how to mix style with grit in the middle either. I think that’s possibly a bit harsh on Wenger - the invincibles team had no members of Graham’s side in its first choice XI. I think Hughes did build on foundations but those foundations were nowhere near as strong as people make out when you look at how poor we were the season before he arrived. I agree completely that he was generally poor in the transfer market, particularly when he was given more money, and that he didn’t recognise the importance of character in the make up of a side like ours.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 7:54:01 GMT
He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’? He introduced a different style than Pulis did, signed 3 players who for a short time made all the difference. tp may never have introduced the flair but he would have never of flooded the squad with big money wasters. Mark Hughes failed to install a backbone, lived off pulis'. Completely undid everything that made us respected and successful Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 8:06:19 GMT
He introduced a different style than Pulis did, signed 3 players who for a short time made all the difference. tp may never have introduced the flair but he would have never of flooded the squad with big money wasters. Mark Hughes failed to install a backbone, lived off pulis'. Completely undid everything that made us respected and successful Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX. Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush
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Post by nonameface on May 29, 2021 8:07:48 GMT
He introduced a different style than Pulis did, signed 3 players who for a short time made all the difference. tp may never have introduced the flair but he would have never of flooded the squad with big money wasters. Mark Hughes failed to install a backbone, lived off pulis'. Completely undid everything that made us respected and successful Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX. Agreed. It went wrong whilst the club could see the success of Arnie. They thought we could sign lots of players who had the ability but who mentally weren't great and then sell on for much larger fees. This is fine if you sign very few of this type of player with amounts of money that you can almost throw away. We signed too many of them, at the same time and then compounded it by paying large fees. The recruitment strategy wasn't balanced at the time, it also wasn't balanced or well thought out for the long term when we got relegated but for different reasons.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 8:12:58 GMT
Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX. Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush If Pulis ‘had a vision’, what was it? And why did it not occur to him to ‘add a bit of flair’ if that was so obviously the next step that an apparent duffer like Mark Hughes could do it and immediately finish higher than apparent ‘visionary’ Tony Pulis ever could?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 8:15:05 GMT
Were we not respected when we were reaching cup semi finals? Again, I’m not sure you can say he was purely living off Pulis when he managed to finish higher in the league than he did. ‘Introducing a different style’ that improves performance sounds an awful lot like good management to me. He didn’t sign Shaqiri until his third season and Bojan until his second either, so he’d already finished ninth once with just one of the three, so there was more to it than just signing BMX. Agreed. It went wrong whilst the club could see the success of Arnie. They thought we could sign lots of players who had the ability but who mentally weren't great and then sell on for much larger fees. This is fine if you sign very few of this type of player with amounts of money that you can almost throw away. We signed too many of them, at the same time and then compounded it by paying large fees. The recruitment strategy wasn't balanced at the time, it also wasn't balanced or well thought out for the long term when we got relegated but for different reasons. Absolutely, and it got worse over time as well. Those three signings, Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, were all catastrophic and two of the three made little to no sense whatsoever. Those are millstones round his neck that really set us in the wrong direction and tarnish his reputation with us. When it was bad it was really, really, unfathomably bad.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 8:24:20 GMT
Mark Hughes had no vision, it was about the here and now, scfc under Pulis & Coates senior was a project. Mark Hughes stumbled across the good foundations, added a bit of flair and flogged it until it was dead, then he was a busted flush If Pulis ‘had a vision’, what was it? And why did it not occur to him to ‘add a bit of flair’ if that was so obviously the next step that an apparent duffer like Mark Hughes could do it and immediately finish higher than apparent ‘visionary’ Tony Pulis ever could? You could say the same about Sean dyche at Burnley but they are still a Premiership club. How do you think Burnley would fare if they sacked Dyche. Pulis had one bad season and we needed to freshen things up, given his success from taking us from flirting with relegation to league 1 to making the Brit a place no team wanted to go to and onto a cup final he should have been allowed to spend the big money. Of course, admittedly I'm not the oracle, I was not Pulis' biggest fan myself towards the end of his time at stoke but then I'm no football person. In hindsight however it's clear to me Pulis should have been given the time to arrest the one season slide and make a few changes with money to spend in the summer. Instead we insulted his intelligence and achievements and installed a solicitor as head of recruitment and brought in a manager fresh from a masterclass in failure at QPR. If our promising young lads are sold this summer that's enough for me of the remodelled family and Scholes I want them gone for incompetence bordering on negligence, sort it quick time, or sell up and f**k off. They have changed sod all so even if by some miracle we did get promoted we would be entering the Premiership with the same incompetent set up.
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2021 8:27:13 GMT
For every £18m Imbula or Wimmer there was a £6m Uruguayan youth international ( Arismendi ) and a £8m palacios ....not as much granted but in real terms they were just as expensive given the difference in TV money at that time, £18m was and still is an average sum of money in the premiership ....it’s all relitive and Pulis gets an easy ride
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Post by spitthedog on May 29, 2021 8:27:57 GMT
A handful of good games get you 3 top 10 finished for the second time in our so illustrious history of winning things. forgot that. 3 x 9th place finishes didn't win anything either though, I've always said it and will maintain it that Mark Hughes got lucky by having a solid team of pros to work with, he added a bit of flair. He left us nothing of any value, as soon as Pulis' backbone of the team started thinning out so did his results. He replaced Robert Huth with Wimmer, Huth goes on to win a Premier league title Name me a manager who hasn't made duff signings. The first thing that MH had to do when he came here was try to make good with a whole host of TP's duff signings and numerous players who were past their best with no budget. It was like Dad's Army when he arrived. His first 4 signings were Pieters, Arnautavic, Ireland, Odemwingie, followed by Bojan, Bardsley, Moses, Diouf. All hugely improved us at very little cost, so let's not try to totally rewrite history. these were his replacements for the ageing Sidibe, Whitehead, Delap, Upson, Kightly, Shotton, Jerome, Jones who he had to offload. These were great replacements on no budget
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 8:28:13 GMT
If Pulis ‘had a vision’, what was it? And why did it not occur to him to ‘add a bit of flair’ if that was so obviously the next step that an apparent duffer like Mark Hughes could do it and immediately finish higher than apparent ‘visionary’ Tony Pulis ever could? You could say the same about Sean dyche at Burnley but they are still a Premiership club. How do you think Burnley would fare if they sacked Dyche. Pulis had one bad season and we needed to freshen things up, given his success from taking us from flirting with relegation to league 1 to making the Brit a place no team wanted to go to and onto a cup final he should have been allowed to spend the big money. Of course, admittedly I'm not the oracle, I was not Pulis' biggest fan myself towards the end of his time at stoke but then I'm no football person. In hindsight however it's clear to me Pulis should have been given the time to arrest the one season slide and make a few changes with money to spend in the summer. Instead we insulted his intelligence and achievements and installed a solicitor as head of recruitment and brought in a manager fresh from a masterclass in failure at QPR. If our promising young lads are sold this summer that's enough for me of the remodelled family and Scholes I want them gone for incompetence bordering on negligence, sort it quick time, or sell up and f**k off He had two bad seasons. The run to the cup final saw us playing the best football since the 70s and he dismantled that side - we never looked like that team again bar one game against Liverpool. In his fourth season in the prem we only won four times from New Year’s Day in the league and he chucked Valencia. In his second we won three games after Boxing Day. In both we were among the lowest scorers in all four divisions, his touch in the transfer market had dried up and the players were divided. He did a magnificent job but by that point we were going backwards. It was over.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 29, 2021 9:44:57 GMT
I can accept that LMH spent £18M on Imbula who is without a shadow of a doubt a talented footballer, but almost the same amount of money on Wimmer and almost giving Huth away as well is almost criminal!
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May 29, 2021 12:28:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 12:28:40 GMT
He didn’t ‘replace Huth with Wimmer’ and I suspect you know that. If Hughes got lucky how did he manage to finish higher than Pulis ever could? Why didn’t Pulis think to ‘add flair’? He introduced a different style than Pulis did, signed 3 players who for a short time made all the difference. tp may never have introduced the flair but he would have never of flooded the squad with big money wasters. Mark Hughes failed to install a backbone, lived off pulis'. Completely undid everything that made us respected and successful Succesful as in Hughes was more successful? the last Pulis season was desperately poor. Did great work but time to move on. Pulis could never attract the players Hughes did as even Cameron was hesitant re joining us. You keep using the term 'backbone' an over used media term re him.Palacios wasn't a big money waster then? who was Pulis' second most expensive signing again?
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May 29, 2021 13:58:54 GMT
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Post by southstanddan on May 29, 2021 13:58:54 GMT
Why shouldn't he respond sarcastically to some of the bellend comments "supporters" make? If someone was telling you things like "when you were born, the doctor threw you out the window, but the window threw you back"? Not sticking up for Wimmer but if you dish it out, don't cry if someone dares to give it back, you're right. Which is exactly why I don’t blart when players cup their ears at the crowd
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 29, 2021 15:28:57 GMT
It makes you wonder if a huge fee can negatively impact on a player's footballing ability. If we had paid £1.8 million would have been as bad? That’s what we tried to bid but Cartwright's greasy thumb missed the full stop when faxing our offer for him. That’s the only logical explanation signing a player who cost Spurs £4m and played 15 PL games in 2 seasons.
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May 30, 2021 10:32:58 GMT
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Post by a on May 30, 2021 10:32:58 GMT
I'd be staggered if we'd got as much as a million for him. Will we have got a fee? It never entered my mind that we would. Nah I know I was being facetious 😂 But if you weigh it up with what I said we have once again made a monumental fuck up and are letting a full international go for nothing. We are an embarrassment of a club when it comes to buying and selling players.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 11:14:25 GMT
Will we have got a fee? It never entered my mind that we would. Nah I know I was being facetious 😂 But if you weigh it up with what I said we have once again made a monumental fuck up and are letting a full international go for nothing. We are an embarrassment of a club when it comes to buying and selling players. He's only won a few caps and the last one goes several years back, moreover Austria, while they have qualified for a couple of GTs, have never set the world alight in recent times. So there's really no value added on to his status.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 12:29:17 GMT
Not sticking up for Wimmer but if you dish it out, don't cry if someone dares to give it back, you're right. Which is exactly why I don’t blart when players cup their ears at the crowd The Clucas haters on here were getting through Pampers by the bin load. How dare he do such a fiendish thing after I've been insulting him for months
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Post by christhepotter on May 30, 2021 12:31:11 GMT
Which is exactly why I don’t blart when players cup their ears at the crowd The Clucas haters on here were getting through Pampers by the bin load. How dare he do such a fiendish thing after I've been insulting him for months I think haters is a bit strong , I think most of us just know that’s he’s not very good but don’t hate him
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May 30, 2021 12:45:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 12:45:22 GMT
I can see this board in 30 years time
Cure for Cancer found and World Cup to be held on moon
Yeah but who remembers Mark Hughes signing Wimmer
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May 30, 2021 20:17:09 GMT
Post by AlbertTatlock on May 30, 2021 20:17:09 GMT
This thread keeps coming to the top but all we need to know is if the fat waste of space has left Stoke. Well has he? Gouranga.
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May 30, 2021 20:19:54 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 30, 2021 20:23:01 GMT
Thanks FM, thank god he's gone. Please Admin lock this thread and lest all forget about Wimmer and get his time here wiped from Stokes history as if it never happened, I'm sure it really didn't anyway. Gouranga.
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May 30, 2021 23:51:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 23:51:05 GMT
Thanks FM, thank god he's gone. Please Admin lock this thread and lest all forget about Wimmer and get his time here wiped from Stokes history as if it never happened, I'm sure it really didn't anyway. Gouranga. Albert is on my Xmas card list
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