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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 12, 2020 16:20:33 GMT
Plus side, this fixture was in danger of turning into a bit of a hoodoo and we didn't lose. Our ring rust could have been worse. Our defensive routines were solid and we stopped them scoring. So, good opening point on paper. Minus side, we still don't seem to have much idea where the goal is and tbh, were fairly crap much of the time in a crap game.
Extra point for strength of character tho, we didn't look like losing and there have been enough times in the recent past when we've all seen gutless Stoke sides give it away. Not going back there.
6 from me
please add * if you sneaked in
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2020 16:23:00 GMT
8
Very Important not to lose first game and not many teams will win at Millwall.
It's a big improvement overall.
I think the downsides today were on the field decision making and limited technical ability, what can the manager do about that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2020 16:23:04 GMT
6
Clean sheet and a point is a positive. Football was appalling and i'm not sure the wingback system suits us in the current guise.
If we are playing a back three against a side with one centre forward, do we really need Mikel sitting? Surely he sits in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1? Also, Morgan Fox is not a progressive wing back at all. He's probably the most defensive full back i've seen in a long, long time. For me, he plays as a centre half in a back three, and not a wing back.
Huge plus point is last season, pre O'Neill we'd have lost that. Small crumbs.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 12, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
7
Didn't lose but had the opportunity to win.
Millwall were tripe, and we should have capitalised in the first half.
Thought the team looked solid, but we do still have the odd gaff in us so its important to take our chances.
Defo looked a penalty to me.
Thought the new faces did well throughout, and I do like fletchers intelligent play.
Hopefully the first steps to a good season.
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 12, 2020 16:55:46 GMT
7
8 for 1st half, nullified them and we had a number of decent opportunities to score which we failed to capitalise on.
6 for 2nd half, they pressed higher and we didn't really adapt. I thought MoN made the right subs, although Vokes looked so knackered I was expecting him to be hooked sooner
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Post by RAF on Sept 12, 2020 17:01:42 GMT
7
Should have been out of sight after 45 minutes. Poor finishing and decent keeping stopped us. Good point away should have been better.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 12, 2020 17:05:26 GMT
6
Should of had them in the first half
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 12, 2020 17:15:49 GMT
6 Should of had them in the first half surely thats the players fault not the managers?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 12, 2020 17:16:35 GMT
RAF has nailed it. As the season progresses and players like Brown and Fletcher are getting regular starts, hopefully, we'll be creating and taking more chances against defensive sides like Millwall.
I wish MON had subbed Indi off, moved Fox to the back 3 and brought on Tymon in the last 20 minutes to give us more pace on the wide left - but that apart it was a decent away performance.
7 from me
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 12, 2020 17:19:26 GMT
8 for me
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 12, 2020 17:21:27 GMT
4
Why play mikel and 3 at the back
Morgan fox is shit on the ball
Nowhere near attacking enough
Shit his pants
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 12, 2020 17:26:11 GMT
We’re already 2pts off the pace. Extrapolate that over a season and that leaves us 92pts behind.
I can’t even give him a score I’m so angry.
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Post by datguy on Sept 12, 2020 17:26:12 GMT
6.
A point is a step up from previous seasons. And we didn’t look leggy until around the 80th minute.
Confused as to why we stuck with 5 at the back throughout the whole game though. MON played for the point and got it. Personally think we could’ve beat them if we went to 4231/433.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 12, 2020 17:29:00 GMT
Just seen the result at 6.25 as I forgot we were playing , read the report and a point is good , so onwards and upwards
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Post by thehoof on Sept 12, 2020 17:33:56 GMT
6- functional, no better, no worse. A bit like the Blackpool game.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 12, 2020 17:53:56 GMT
6 - Didn't look in much danger, but to get anywhere in this division you need to win most games. Not unhappy with how it went but we need to improve.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 12, 2020 17:58:17 GMT
7.5 for me, poor game to watch but we never looked in any real trouble and we had a couple of half chances that on another day may have sneaked the win. An away point is always welcome.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 12, 2020 18:09:23 GMT
7.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 12, 2020 18:29:25 GMT
We came out and more than competed in a game of football. Possibly looked the more likely team to score. This in a game in London and also the first game of the season - how long has it been since we had what even resembled a competitive team on game 1 - no square pegs anywhere, no horrendous blunders - all good stuff.
2 organised teams that should avoid a relegation scrap this season - injuries aside.
We lacked any real quality anywhere, Powell and Campbell looked like the only 2 that may do something a bit different, but both were subbed and with it our chance of winning the game
We look to be going in the right direction for the first time in a while and of the new signings, the Barnsley lad made me smile the most: pace, desire and youth and wanted to be involved all over the place, albeit for his 25 minute cameo - christ how we have desired one like him - hopefully a sign of things to come.
3 central defenders were, dare I say it, pretty damn good and nobody has questioned dads army more than me - but if they can keep that up and stay fit then we should be a competitive outfit in this division
No complaints from me - a hearty 7 out of 10
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Post by pmjh on Sept 12, 2020 20:08:52 GMT
6 - Didn't look in much danger, but to get anywhere in this division you need to win most games. Not unhappy with how it went but we need to improve. Simply not true. Only two teams last year won more than half their games. Swansea in 6th, won 18. Little more than a third
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Post by pmjh on Sept 12, 2020 20:14:14 GMT
7 good point away to a decent side.
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Post by onepara on Sept 13, 2020 12:04:09 GMT
He's a cautious manager. Goes for 1 point & hopes to get 3.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 13, 2020 20:04:16 GMT
7 a point away is always a good point but I do think we weer far better than Milwall and on reflection all 3 point were there for the taking, not yet convinced about the formation but we're unbeaten this season so there's always a positive. Gouranga.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2020 20:38:04 GMT
7
We never win the first game of the season, and we never win in London, so the omens were against us right from the start. I was disappointed with his choice of wing backs. Playing Fox and Smith was overly negative, I would have preferred Tymon on the left with Fox playing instead BMI on the left of the three centre backs.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 13, 2020 21:16:02 GMT
We’re already 2pts off the pace. Extrapolate that over a season and that leaves us 92pts behind. I can’t even give him a score I’m so angry. I have been pondering this question for some time. People seem to fall into two camps when it comes to draws. One camp looks at a draw as a point gained and the other camp looks at a draw as two points lost. I have a theory that the difference depends on how you look at the season as a whole, the number of points available and expectations. I expect to be promoted and as a result I look at a 46 game season as starting with 138 points and counting down, rather than starting with zero and counting up. Every loss is minus 3 and every draw is minus 2. To hell with the plan that the goal is to first achieve 50 points to avoid relegation. If that’s the plan you’ve already accepted you have 88 points you can afford to give up. I realize it’s unrealistic to think we’ll never drop a point, but this is the only way to look at it. I want the manager and the players to go into every match with the attitude these three points are mine and we plan to keep them. Even if we are playing the best team in the world, I want the manager and the players to go into every game with a plan to win. I don’t want them to ever go into a game playing for a draw, because they will look at a draw as success and start two points down before a ball is even kicked. Of course you don’t line up against Liverpool expecting to dominate the game, but you should go into the game, scrapping for every ball, and let them know you have just as much right to be there as they do. The plan may be to sit back, frustrate the opposition and look for chance to hit them on the counter. But the plan should always be to win rather than avoid a loss or playing for a draw. A few years ago I think it was David Moyes who admitted on camera hat he expected a relegation battle and that’s exactly what he got. Even if you know you’re in for a tough battle you should never give the impression there’s any chance you might lose it. I don’t know any successful business that plans to meet expectations. The goal should always be to smash them. Small teams in small markets, like Stoke, can make it to the top only if they believe it’s possible. Leicester did it and so we can we. I’d rather give it a go and lose 4-3 like Leeds did today against Liverpool, than scratch out a 0-0 draw. It’s a lot more fun to watch too.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 14, 2020 6:42:12 GMT
We’re already 2pts off the pace. Extrapolate that over a season and that leaves us 92pts behind. I can’t even give him a score I’m so angry. I have been pondering this question for some time. People seem to fall into two camps when it comes to draws. One camp looks at a draw as a point gained and the other camp looks at a draw as two points lost. I have a theory that the difference depends on how you look at the season as a whole, the number of points available and expectations. I expect to be promoted and as a result I look at a 46 game season as starting with 138 points and counting down, rather than starting with zero and counting up. Every loss is minus 3 and every draw is minus 2. To hell with the plan that the goal is to first achieve 50 points to avoid relegation. If that’s the plan you’ve already accepted you have 88 points you can afford to give up. I realize it’s unrealistic to think we’ll never drop a point, but this is the only way to look at it. I want the manager and the players to go into every match with the attitude these three points are mine and we plan to keep them. Even if we are playing the best team in the world, I want the manager and the players to go into every game with a plan to win. I don’t want them to ever go into a game playing for a draw, because they will look at a draw as success and start two points down before a ball is even kicked. Of course you don’t line up against Liverpool expecting to dominate the game, but you should go into the game, scrapping for every ball, and let them know you have just as much right to be there as they do. The plan may be to sit back, frustrate the opposition and look for chance to hit them on the counter. But the plan should always be to win rather than avoid a loss or playing for a draw. A few years ago I think it was David Moyes who admitted on camera hat he expected a relegation battle and that’s exactly what he got. Even if you know you’re in for a tough battle you should never give the impression there’s any chance you might lose it. I don’t know any successful business that plans to meet expectations. The goal should always be to smash them. Small teams in small markets, like Stoke, can make it to the top only if they believe it’s possible. Leicester did it and so we can we. I’d rather give it a go and lose 4-3 like Leeds did today against Liverpool, than scratch out a 0-0 draw. It’s a lot more fun to watch too. I think firstly you have to accept that draws are good, overall. Very few teams win half their games in a season so you’ve got to accept that in at least 50% of games, you’re not going to win. Last season only 3 teams won at least 50% of their games, and two of those were promoted. The third, Brentford, lost far too many games (13), and had they turned just two of those defeats into draws, they would’ve been promoted at the expense of WBA. A draw at Millwall is a good result... gets us off the mark and it stops an opponent from getting 3pts. It’s a tough place to go so we’ve got to see it as a positive.
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Post by admiral on Sept 14, 2020 6:53:24 GMT
I would give an 8. You have to remember last season. We had the lowest number of draws of any teams in the division and only two teams lost more. If we can convert some of those defeats into draws we will be much better placed for a push on up the table...
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Post by LankyPotter on Sept 14, 2020 7:26:22 GMT
He's a cautious manager. Goes for 1 point & hopes to get 3. We had a manager that went for the three points at the beginning of last season and he very rarely got those three points. Take what you can and move on.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 14, 2020 9:09:26 GMT
7
I think MON was experimenting a bit to see if he can make us hard to beat away from home.
JOB DONE on that front most definitely it seems like.
We know MON can play attacking football when he wants to - we scored loads last season under him. Its good when a manager can nullify the opposition with his tactics. Next week we need to see him open up more and be more attacking at home.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 14, 2020 10:09:02 GMT
6 Clean sheet and a point is a positive. Football was appalling and i'm not sure the wingback system suits us in the current guise. If we are playing a back three against a side with one centre forward, do we really need Mikel sitting? Surely he sits in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1? Also, Morgan Fox is not a progressive wing back at all. He's probably the most defensive full back i've seen in a long, long time. For me, he plays as a centre half in a back three, and not a wing back. Huge plus point is last season, pre O'Neill we'd have lost that. Small crumbs. Maybe they were the instructions Fox was given. I've only seen highlights from the match so can't judge properly, but based on forming an opinion from the general consensus, I think we'll see more positive work from Fox as the season goes on.
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