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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 9, 2020 9:04:14 GMT
really any different to how things are now?
(Cant do links from my phone)
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 9, 2020 9:06:15 GMT
Bit vague fella, you might need to expand your point a little more
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 9, 2020 9:06:59 GMT
just announced on club statement, he is joint chairman with Sir Peter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 9:08:12 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 9, 2020 9:08:54 GMT
Basically chairman in all but name. Handing over the baton in effect I would imagine.
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Post by stokeson on Sept 9, 2020 9:12:27 GMT
Daddy taken his toys away..........
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Post by questionable on Sept 9, 2020 9:18:56 GMT
Where does the bloke who was shit at his job at Bet365 fit in??
All in all a solid appointment...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 9, 2020 9:19:23 GMT
Daddy taken his toys away.......... More like Daddy recognising that he is not getting any younger and wishes to lighten his workload in preparation for a full hand over to Jon in the not too distant future. I don't blame him. Peter is a good few years older than me and I wouldn't want the responsibility of chairing a football club at his age. In terms of "toys" it makes little difference. The pecking order at bet365 who own the club is what it has always been; Denise is top dog with over 50% of the shares, then Jon, with Peter well down the pecking order in wealth terms.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 9, 2020 9:25:26 GMT
In the scheme of things a pretty pointless announcement as it tells us nothing we didn't already know or assume.
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Post by stokeson on Sept 9, 2020 9:27:42 GMT
Daddy taken his toys away.......... More like Daddy recognising that he is not getting any younger and wishes to lighten his workload in preparation for a full hand over to Jon in the not too distant future. I don't blame him. Peter is a good few years older than me and I wouldn't want the responsibility of chairing a football club at his age. In terms of "toys" it makes little difference. The pecking order at bet365 who own the club is what it has always been; Denise is top dog with over 50% of the shares, then Jon, with Peter well down the pecking order in wealth terms. Had this happened in all but name during the "dont know what the fuss is about" saga? John has shown himself not up to the job with our decline when Peter stepped back.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 9, 2020 9:41:23 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded
Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters
So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of .
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Post by lordb on Sept 9, 2020 9:42:47 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . Didn't we know that already? To be honest I think Scholes is poor at (not all) non football matters too
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 9, 2020 9:49:33 GMT
I did post recently on another thread, that Nostradamus made only prophecies of doom and disaster for the "twin year" 2020.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 9, 2020 9:54:07 GMT
The "board change" is announced. They probably thought that if we might sign Jacob Brown, it's a good day to bury bad news!
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Post by karl on Sept 9, 2020 10:04:31 GMT
It's probably part of the smooth gradual transition from Peter to John.
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Post by withnall on Sept 9, 2020 10:07:40 GMT
Must have been tough on Peter, hefting the transfer dong around all these years.
Probably needs the extra pair of hands.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 10:08:05 GMT
Wasn’t this the case anyway?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 9, 2020 10:10:03 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . Didn't we know that already? To be honest I think Scholes is poor at (not all) non football matters too He’s shit at everything judging by business performance except managing up , no other ceo would have survived such appalling performance it’s a triumph of managing up and deflecting accountability.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 9, 2020 10:15:56 GMT
Joint Chairman sounds better than Chairman of the Vice!
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Post by callas12 on Sept 9, 2020 10:16:57 GMT
Find this announcement very strange especially as it hasn't really come as a surprise to anyone. Just thinking back tho, was it ever really confirmed before or just chatted about on here & people putting 2 & 2 together? The cynic in me wonder's if Peters taken a turn of some kind & this announcement today is kind of making things official that the next in line for the Stoke Chairman's thrown is essentially already in place to make it appear a smoother transition?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 9, 2020 10:22:48 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . That's to misunderstand and over-simplify how it works. The key is the word "executive" in that sentence. You are overlooking the role and authority of the non-executive Board members. Ultimate responsibility and accountability both legally and in reality rests with the Company Board, i.e the owners. We have owners who are more 'hands on' than many clubs at this level do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 10:36:53 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . Didn't we know that already? To be honest I think Scholes is poor at (not all) non football matters too He’s been a director for years and it’s been spoken about on here.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 9, 2020 11:05:32 GMT
Didn't we know that already? To be honest I think Scholes is poor at (not all) non football matters too He’s been a director for years and it’s been spoken about on here. Seems like a classic corporate reorganisation. With Covid both the football and non-football sides have become more complex and time consuming. Non-football is a big responsibility making all the facilities safe, getting people in and out of the ground etc. Football requires more interaction with the EFL, TV etc with the finances a very difficult area as there could be a mighty battle over FFP within the EFL at some point, the way to account for the impact of Covid is very unclear. The CEO was previously responsible for everything not just football. The new joint Chairman will probably be more hands on like an Executive Chairman with effectively two divisional CEOs reporting to him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 12:23:40 GMT
He’s been a director for years and it’s been spoken about on here. Seems like a classic corporate reorganisation. With Covid both the football and non-football sides have become more complex and time consuming. Non-football is a big responsibility making all the facilities safe, getting people in and out of the ground etc. Football requires more interaction with the EFL, TV etc with the finances a very difficult area as there could be a mighty battle over FFP within the EFL at some point, the way to account for the impact of Covid is very unclear. The CEO was previously responsible for everything not just football. The new joint Chairman will probably be more hands on like an Executive Chairman with effectively two divisional CEOs reporting to him. But isn’t that organisation what it’s been for ages? Nothing seems to have changed?
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Post by baystokie on Sept 9, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . That's to misunderstand and over-simplify how it works. The key is the word "executive" in that sentence. You are overlooking the role and authority of the non-executive Board members. Ultimate responsibility and accountability both legally and in reality rests with the Company Board, i.e the owners. We have owners who are more 'hands on' than many clubs at this level do. 'Executive'! A small word, but then the devil is always in the detail. isn't it?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 9, 2020 13:23:25 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . That's to misunderstand and over-simplify how it works. The key is the word "executive" in that sentence. You are overlooking the role and authority of the non-executive Board members. Ultimate responsibility and accountability both legally and in reality rests with the Company Board, i.e the owners. We have owners who are more 'hands on' than many clubs at this level do. Malcolm That’s an apologist view , name another business where the non executive directors accept the accountability for the management failures of their chief executive and executive directors at best in the banking world chairman have resigned after firing the CEO for poor performance , clearly that’s not going to happen here , but the principal is the chief executive is responsible and accountable and judged by business performance . In this case it’s just his good luck that his non execs and shareholders are a tight non challenging group prepared to accept systematic and sustained business under performance and the waste of shareholder support and resources . Whichever way you cut it the business had performed appallingly and he is the executive responsible by the hand of his fellow board members who pay him extraordinarily handsomely to manage it
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 9, 2020 13:43:42 GMT
That's to misunderstand and over-simplify how it works. The key is the word "executive" in that sentence. You are overlooking the role and authority of the non-executive Board members. Ultimate responsibility and accountability both legally and in reality rests with the Company Board, i.e the owners. We have owners who are more 'hands on' than many clubs at this level do. Malcolm That’s an apologist view , name another business where the non executive directors accept the accountability for the management failures of their chief executive and executive directors at best in the banking world chairman have resigned after firing the CEO for poor performance , clearly that’s not going to happen here , but the principal is the chief executive is responsible and accountable and judged by business performance . In this case it’s just his good luck that his non execs and shareholders are a tight non challenging group prepared to accept systematic and sustained business under performance and the waste of shareholder support and resources . Whichever way you cut it the business had performed appallingly and he is the executive responsible by the hand of his fellow board members who pay him extraordinarily handsomely to manage it It's not an apologist view, it's a factual statement of the position. You have a view that the Board should sack their CEO. Whether or not that is an informed and reasonable view, you cannot deny the owners role, responsibility and accountability for the running of the club and your statement "So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of" is at best a gross over-simplification.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 9, 2020 14:20:55 GMT
Bean counter myth exploded Tony Scholes has executive responsibility for all football matters So that’s the end of that the accountability sits with Scholes end of . That's to misunderstand and over-simplify how it works. The key is the word "executive" in that sentence. You are overlooking the role and authority of the non-executive Board members. Ultimate responsibility and accountability both legally and in reality rests with the Company Board, i.e the owners. We have owners who are more 'hands on' than many clubs at this level do. Maybe the club would be better off if the owners were less "hands on" in the future judging by the mess we are in financially, in any other organisation the CEO would have been axed years ago for incompetence.
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Post by eddyclamp on Sept 9, 2020 15:00:19 GMT
Why cant people vent their anger at the waste of fuckin spaces that have been kicking the ball for the failure of the club and the managers that have signed them. Scholes is an accountant by trade , paid handsomely for running the club from a financial point of view. Do you think that a multi millionaire like Uncle Peter would pay him if he was that bad? Do you think Scholes appointed Jones,Rowett etc. I very much doubt it. Easy Target I suppose.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2020 15:13:40 GMT
"soul searching" "You ask yourself the question, what should we have done differently? What mistakes did we make"? "It is absolutely clear that a major overhaul is required" "We need to regain our identity and focus and the summer will be spent doing this." www.stokecityfc.com/news/club-statement-16This statement was bigger work of fiction than Bozo's oven ready deal bollocks!
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