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Post by OldStokie on Sept 3, 2020 10:22:46 GMT
Thanks for this Malcolm. Made my day it has. Who cares about Wimmer and Imbula when we've got our very own Fornside stuck on the top of a mountain with a piffling injury? PMSL @ John. You always were a dodgy old bastard when it comes to slinging the lead. This is amazing really. We start with Forny and his lady friend and two dogs up a mountain and end up with him giving us chapter and verse (waggy style) on his posh clothes that must have cost a week's worth of his Customs Pension. Throw in the odd helicopter or two and a trip down Gaping Ghyll (missing out on the electron ladders) and we have our very own Bare Grills. It sounds like an episode of The Inbetweeners on acid and would make a fabulous TV series with the first part called Fornside Stuck On Ambleside. I won't stop giggling all day now. OS.
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Post by tnbiscuitswithtone on Sept 3, 2020 10:33:46 GMT
Should have left him up there. He got lost walking around vallenca.
Glad you're safe John.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 3, 2020 10:34:17 GMT
Thanks for this Malcolm. Made my day it has. Who cares about Wimmer and Imbula when we've got our very own Fornside stuck on the top of a mountain with a piffling injury? PMSL @ John. You always were a dodgy old bastard when it comes to slinging the lead. This is amazing really. We start with Forny and his lady friend and two dogs up a mountain and end up with him giving us chapter and verse (waggy style) on his posh clothes that must have cost a week's worth of his Customs Pension. Throw in the odd helicopter or two and a trip down Gaping Ghyll (missing out on the electron ladders) and we have our very own Bare Grills. It sounds like an episode of The Inbetweeners on acid and would make a fabulous TV series with the first part called Fornside Stuck On Ambleside. I won't stop giggling all day now. OS. Wonderful stuff, Mick
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 10:35:29 GMT
Glad you're ok mate. (Can I just say I've never been to the Lake District, nearest I've been is Carlisle away. I've never been in a helicopter either.) It’s too expensive and a bit more elite than the likes of your type I was quite lucky to have flown in helicopters regularly when I worked for HM Customs. Mostly naval Linx and Sea Kings. The air ambulance was a lot smarter inside than the navy machines - but just as noisy. Without the ear defenders and microphone they gave me I'd have been deaf after only a five minute flight.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 10:37:45 GMT
Thanks for this Malcolm. Made my day it has. Who cares about Wimmer and Imbula when we've got our very own Fornside stuck on the top of a mountain with a piffling injury? PMSL @ John. You always were a dodgy old bastard when it comes to slinging the lead. This is amazing really. We start with Forny and his lady friend and two dogs up a mountain and end up with him giving us chapter and verse (waggy style) on his posh clothes that must have cost a week's worth of his Customs Pension. Throw in the odd helicopter or two and a trip down Gaping Ghyll (missing out on the electron ladders) and we have our very own Bare Grills. It sounds like an episode of The Inbetweeners on acid and would make a fabulous TV series with the first part called Fornside Stuck On Ambleside. I won't stop giggling all day now. OS. Hehehe - I really enjoyed the Bare Grills reference OS!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 10:42:00 GMT
I still haven't seen a call for this to be moved to the EE board by fornside either. Did he leave his pedantry up the mountain?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 10:44:37 GMT
I still haven't seen a call for this to be moved to the EE board by fornside either. Did he leave his pedantry up the mountain? Being injured, I thought I'd save energy and leave it to one of the other pedants on the board. If DaveF is in a bad mood he will no doubt move it just because he can!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 10:46:32 GMT
While we are on the subject of the what3words app - bayernoatcake is bringing out a more accurate version called what100,000words which tells you your location to the nearest centimetre!
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Sept 3, 2020 10:50:44 GMT
While we are on the subject of the what3words app - bayernoatcake is bringing out a more accurate version called what100,000words which tells you your location to the nearest centimetre! The three words for Bayern's address will be know.it.all
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 3, 2020 10:52:33 GMT
Thanks for that, Malcolm! You are referring to the day I became known as "Mr MRT incident number 51." It was, in fact the third time I have called out a Mountain Rescue Team but the previous 2 occasions I was making the call on behalf of someone else. So, I suppose after over 55 years of mountain walking it was about my time. As far as age is concerned one of the team members was at least as old as me! And, I have put the hours in myself as I was in an MRT team myself for several years when I lived and worked within sight of Dartmoor. In answer to Questionable's point about insurance. I'd happily pay for an insurance policy but only if it became compulsory for all walkers/climbers. Indeed when I have walked and climbed abroad I've always had rescue insurance. We are amazingly lucky to have free rescue by MRTs in this country and free helicopter rescue when necessary - and, much to my amazement, I was helicoptered down to the car on Tuesday whilst my companion had to make her own way down Stickle Ghyll at the end of a traumatic day with my dog as well as hers - to be honest she was as much a star as the MRT members. Living where I do I see the various MRTs and the Air Ambulance at work pretty well every day - there was a major incident to rescue a climber last month who had taken a very serious fall on Castle Rock of Triermain and the helicopter was visible from my front window as it lifted him to hospital after a 2 hour rescue operation. Like most serious walkers who live in the mountains, I donate to my local MRT EVERY year and I have a standing order to give a modest monthly payment to the Air Ambulance. I will be making a one off donation to the Ambleside MRT once I have spoken to them this week. As to my foot, my GP (like the MRT doctor) thinks it is only a soft tissue injury but wants to speak again tomorrow when he will make the decision as to whether I need an x-ray at the local cottage hospital. It is feeling less painful every day. That just leaves the dog. Luckily I live on a mountain side which she knows like the back of her hand. As it doesn't have sheep on it at the moment I can shove her through the dog gate in the garden wall and she will charge around within sight of the cottage but sometimes up to 500 feet above it and will come back after 15 minutes. If she couldn't do that I would have to find a neighbour to take her for walks. NOW THE IMPORTANT BITI have an app on my phone which gives me a Grid Reference automatically - it is called something like GridReferenceFreeOS. Every serious walker should download the app. The Police control room also asked me if I had a more modern FREE app which works all over the world. It is called what3words and allocates a unique set of three words to every 3 metre square on the surface of the earth. I have it and gave them the 3 words which they used to confirm the grid reference was correct. I would recommend that everyone downloads the what3words app even if they are not serious walkers - it could change/save your life!Glad to hear you are ok - I love walking in the lakes and fallen over or slipped on a few occasions - but fortunately was ok to continue walking - so good advise for the apps and will download P.S: if you continue to pick up injuries we will have to start calling you Shawx - also could you remember me in your will - regarding leave your house to me - it sounds like you live in paradise If your having the house can I have the dog Many years ago I joined a MRT for an exercise on Whernside in the Dales. Snow, Mountains, Yorkshire...everything was against us. Hats off to all those involved and I wish we had had what3words back then.
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Post by scfc1863 on Sept 3, 2020 11:04:33 GMT
Considering that, in my time, I have been a climber, a skier, a caver and a mountain walker I have been remarkably lucky with injuries. One fall skiing resulted in dislocated shoulder 4 years ago when I was 70. I've had minor injuries a few times walking but this was the first time I could not make it back to the car under my own steam - although two of us did have to call out the Glencoe MRT after two friends had a bad accident winter mountaineering 40 years ago. No problems caving and just a rope burn when rock climbing when the guy on the other end of the rope took a big fall - but he had no injuries (he was left dangling in the air!) and we managed to get off the face without help. I also got a frost bitten toe in the Alps but the toe recovered - although the big toe nail has never been the same again. That's it after 55 years. You sound like the archetypal Stoke supporter: Mountaineer, Caver and Skier - all the things Stoke is famous for Bang on....... Sneyd Tip, The Underground Hanley , Stoke Ski Centre Festival Park.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 3, 2020 11:06:09 GMT
It’s too expensive and a bit more elite than the likes of your type I was quite lucky to have flown in helicopters regularly when I worked for HM Customs. Mostly naval Linx and Sea Kings. The air ambulance was a lot smarter inside than the navy machines - but just as noisy. Without the ear defenders and microphone they gave me I'd have been deaf after only a five minute flight. Is this the lead-up to the episode where Forny takes to the skies in a Sea King, scouring Dartmoor for illegal immigrants and ends up with him and his lady friend having a kebab feast with them when he discovers that they're actually not illegal immigrants, but a load of people from Bradford on holiday to get away from the virus? OS.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 11:13:01 GMT
Should have left him up there. He got lost walking around vallenca. Glad you're safe John. You doddery old bugger - it was Istanbul where I got you all lost!
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 3, 2020 12:12:18 GMT
Thought this was about something like last foxtrot in keswick
Glad it turned out well
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Post by sifta on Sept 3, 2020 12:17:17 GMT
What 3 words is a great idea, as well as covering places like UK national parks, it really comes into its own in countries where people don't have addresses as such, it allows a lot more people to get a foothold in the modern world by actually getting things delivered to them for a start. However I went to a technical presentation by these guys 2 or 3 years ago, where we were given an insight to the workings of the whole thing, and it emerged that their business model was that they had created and copyrighted a unique database for the whole world, and they made money from the use of the database. Basically, whoever you are, wherever you are in the world, if you want to write an app that uses this data you pay a fee to this UK company. People have tried to use the words without using w3w's API, and fallen foul of their lawyers. I get it that the people who came up with this idea and implemented it should get recompensed for it, but having used open source software for more than 25 years, and seen the benefits it delivers, I find this modern day salt tax, aggressively enforcing a worldwide monopoly on poorer countries and communities, incredibly problematic.
That said, it has made itself the de-facto standard, and I don't now see a viable alternative, but I do get annoyed when I see the people behind being lauded as heroes which I'm starting to see more and more.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 3, 2020 12:27:54 GMT
Just pleased to hear that Lakeland is OK, stay safe. Beautiful part of the country, walked all around there in my youth ( long ago) weather can change rapidly up there. MRT do fantastic jon just like RNLI but don't get publicity or support they deserve
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 12:30:24 GMT
What 3 words is a great idea, as well as covering places like UK national parks, it really comes into its own in countries where people don't have addresses as such, it allows a lot more people to get a foothold in the modern world by actually getting things delivered to them for a start. However I went to a technical presentation by these guys 2 or 3 years ago, where we were given an insight to the workings of the whole thing, and it emerged that their business model was that they had created and copyrighted a unique database for the whole world, and they made money from the use of the database. Basically, whoever you are, wherever you are in the world, if you want to write an app that uses this data you pay a fee to this UK company. People have tried to use the words without using w3w's API, and fallen foul of their lawyers. I get it that the people who came up with this idea and implemented it should get recompensed for it, but having used open source software for more than 25 years, and seen the benefits it delivers, I find this modern day salt tax aggressively enforcing a worldwide monopoly, especially on poorer countries and communities incredibly problematic.
That said, it has made itself the de-facto standard, and I don't now see a viable alternative, but I do get annoyed when I see the people behind being lauded as heroes which I'm starting to see more and more.
Interesting. As a matter of interest where are the people who developed the app based? You say they are a UK company - but is there a silicon valley base as well? If they are a fully UK listed company - no doubt they will end up being purchased by a USA giant for an obscene amount of money.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Sept 3, 2020 12:38:24 GMT
Bl**dy Hell. I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose up a mountain.
Hope you're OK LP.
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Post by sifta on Sept 3, 2020 12:39:04 GMT
What 3 words is a great idea, as well as covering places like UK national parks, it really comes into its own in countries where people don't have addresses as such, it allows a lot more people to get a foothold in the modern world by actually getting things delivered to them for a start. However I went to a technical presentation by these guys 2 or 3 years ago, where we were given an insight to the workings of the whole thing, and it emerged that their business model was that they had created and copyrighted a unique database for the whole world, and they made money from the use of the database. Basically, whoever you are, wherever you are in the world, if you want to write an app that uses this data you pay a fee to this UK company. People have tried to use the words without using w3w's API, and fallen foul of their lawyers. I get it that the people who came up with this idea and implemented it should get recompensed for it, but having used open source software for more than 25 years, and seen the benefits it delivers, I find this modern day salt tax aggressively enforcing a worldwide monopoly, especially on poorer countries and communities incredibly problematic.
That said, it has made itself the de-facto standard, and I don't now see a viable alternative, but I do get annoyed when I see the people behind being lauded as heroes which I'm starting to see more and more.
Interesting. As a matter of interest where are the people who developed the app based? You say they are a UK company - but is there a silicon valley base as well? If they are a fully UK listed company - no doubt they will end up being purchased by a USA giant for an obscene amount of money.
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 3, 2020 13:44:28 GMT
Thanks for that, Malcolm! You are referring to the day I became known as "Mr MRT incident number 51." It was, in fact the third time I have called out a Mountain Rescue Team but the previous 2 occasions I was making the call on behalf of someone else. So, I suppose after over 55 years of mountain walking it was about my time. As far as age is concerned one of the team members was at least as old as me! And, I have put the hours in myself as I was in an MRT team myself for several years when I lived and worked within sight of Dartmoor. In answer to Questionable's point about insurance. I'd happily pay for an insurance policy but only if it became compulsory for all walkers/climbers. Indeed when I have walked and climbed abroad I've always had rescue insurance. We are amazingly lucky to have free rescue by MRTs in this country and free helicopter rescue when necessary - and, much to my amazement, I was helicoptered down to the car on Tuesday whilst my companion had to make her own way down Stickle Ghyll at the end of a traumatic day with my dog as well as hers - to be honest she was as much a star as the MRT members. Living where I do I see the various MRTs and the Air Ambulance at work pretty well every day - there was a major incident to rescue a climber last month who had taken a very serious fall on Castle Rock of Triermain and the helicopter was visible from my front window as it lifted him to hospital after a 2 hour rescue operation. Like most serious walkers who live in the mountains, I donate to my local MRT EVERY year and I have a standing order to give a modest monthly payment to the Air Ambulance. I will be making a one off donation to the Ambleside MRT once I have spoken to them this week. As to my foot, my GP (like the MRT doctor) thinks it is only a soft tissue injury but wants to speak again tomorrow when he will make the decision as to whether I need an x-ray at the local cottage hospital. It is feeling less painful every day. That just leaves the dog. Luckily I live on a mountain side which she knows like the back of her hand. As it doesn't have sheep on it at the moment I can shove her through the dog gate in the garden wall and she will charge around within sight of the cottage but sometimes up to 500 feet above it and will come back after 15 minutes. If she couldn't do that I would have to find a neighbour to take her for walks. NOW THE IMPORTANT BITI have an app on my phone which gives me a Grid Reference automatically - it is called something like GridReferenceFreeOS. Every serious walker should download the app. The Police control room also asked me if I had a more modern FREE app which works all over the world. It is called what3words and allocates a unique set of three words to every 3 metre square on the surface of the earth. I have it and gave them the 3 words which they used to confirm the grid reference was correct. I would recommend that everyone downloads the what3words app even if they are not serious walkers - it could change/save your life!Glad to hear your ok and I put my dad into that a while ago, he lives on the edge of the desert in fuertaventura and is disabled so I got him into it in case he ever fell or got stuck when he has a wander there. As informed by my step mum he does bugger all now and just sits on the veranda staring at the desert and the lava fields doing what Malcolm did typing in random words and seeing where he turned up lol
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Post by redstriper on Sept 3, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
What 3 words is a great idea, as well as covering places like UK national parks, it really comes into its own in countries where people don't have addresses as such, it allows a lot more people to get a foothold in the modern world by actually getting things delivered to them for a start. However I went to a technical presentation by these guys 2 or 3 years ago, where we were given an insight to the workings of the whole thing, and it emerged that their business model was that they had created and copyrighted a unique database for the whole world, and they made money from the use of the database. Basically, whoever you are, wherever you are in the world, if you want to write an app that uses this data you pay a fee to this UK company. People have tried to use the words without using w3w's API, and fallen foul of their lawyers. I get it that the people who came up with this idea and implemented it should get recompensed for it, but having used open source software for more than 25 years, and seen the benefits it delivers, I find this modern day salt tax, aggressively enforcing a worldwide monopoly on poorer countries and communities, incredibly problematic.
That said, it has made itself the de-facto standard, and I don't now see a viable alternative, but I do get annoyed when I see the people behind being lauded as heroes which I'm starting to see more and more.
My company uses what three words and I pay for it, I don't begrudge them earning a crust from it, i know one of the developers personally and they took a risk and worked hard to make it happen, good for them. UK success story and helping the gen public without charging them - which they could easily do. People with big ideas who get off their arses and make them happen should be lauded, they set a great example. In a world where whining dickheads earn fortunes for flapping their plumped up lips on programs like towie you are aiming at the wrong target imo.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 3, 2020 14:20:19 GMT
Glad you're ok LP
This thread is of great interest to me as I started the round of Wainwright's Lakeland Fells earlier this year and I am up there on the fells every week or two at the moment.
I'm 60 now and most of the time I'm walking on my own (as Wainwright did of course), so I'm very conscious of minimising the risks. A few weeks back I randomly fell over on the summit of Grasmoor. No damage done other than a cut hand, though it did come as a bit of warning shot.
I tell my wife my route in advance and text her each time I reach a summit so someone at least has some sort of idea where I am. I had heard about what3words but never really considered using it until I read your post this morning. So thanks for that advice- I've now downloaded it and have been playing on it ever since!
Unbelievably the first 2 words of the location of one of the rooms in my house is fells.hiking.!!!!
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 3, 2020 15:09:18 GMT
While we are on the subject of the what3words app - bayernoatcake is bringing out a more accurate version called what100,000words which tells you your location to the nearest centimetre! The three words for Bayern's address will be know.it.all And the grid next to it will be knows.fuck.all
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 3, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
Glad you are ok Lakeland Potter
Got caught in some severe weather on Catbells (one of the smaller mountains) last year and believe me it was no picnic. Thankfully managed to get down safely
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 3, 2020 15:54:30 GMT
What 3 words is a great idea, as well as covering places like UK national parks, it really comes into its own in countries where people don't have addresses as such, it allows a lot more people to get a foothold in the modern world by actually getting things delivered to them for a start. However I went to a technical presentation by these guys 2 or 3 years ago, where we were given an insight to the workings of the whole thing, and it emerged that their business model was that they had created and copyrighted a unique database for the whole world, and they made money from the use of the database. Basically, whoever you are, wherever you are in the world, if you want to write an app that uses this data you pay a fee to this UK company. People have tried to use the words without using w3w's API, and fallen foul of their lawyers. I get it that the people who came up with this idea and implemented it should get recompensed for it, but having used open source software for more than 25 years, and seen the benefits it delivers, I find this modern day salt tax, aggressively enforcing a worldwide monopoly on poorer countries and communities, incredibly problematic.
That said, it has made itself the de-facto standard, and I don't now see a viable alternative, but I do get annoyed when I see the people behind being lauded as heroes which I'm starting to see more and more.
Niggling doubt about privacy/security in this day and age as well. Unless it's completely unavoidable I never allow any apps to access my location, and if I have to I switch it on temporarily then disable it. Might be a bit paranoid but I hate the idea of tech companies and their users knowing exactly where I am all the time.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 16:42:52 GMT
Glad you're ok LP This thread is of great interest to me as I started the round of Wainwright's Lakeland Fells earlier this year and I am up there on the fells every week or two at the moment. I'm 60 now and most of the time I'm walking on my own (as Wainwright did of course), so I'm very conscious of minimising the risks. A few weeks back I randomly fell over on the summit of Grasmoor. No damage done other than a cut hand, though it did come as a bit of warning shot. I tell my wife my route in advance and text her each time I reach a summit so someone at least has some sort of idea where I am. I had heard about what3words but never really considered using it until I read your post this morning. So thanks for that advice- I've now downloaded it and have been playing on it ever since! Unbelievably the first 2 words of the location of one of the rooms in my house is fells.hiking.!!!! I completed my first round of Wainwright's 214 Lakeland Fells a year or so after I bought my cottage up here when I was 51 - altogether it had taken me about 35 years since my first one! Once I moved up here to live 16 years ago (aged 58) I set myself the objective of doing them all in a year and it took me just 7 months. It all sounds very impressive but the record is about 1 week!!!!!!! That is by a fellrunner with a support team and meals provided in the valleys and the occasional sleep in a campervan.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 3, 2020 17:03:54 GMT
Glad you're ok mate. (Can I just say I've never been to the Lake District, nearest I've been is Carlisle away. I've never been in a helicopter either.) It’s too expensive and a bit more elite than the likes of your type It certainly is, Dave. In fact, are you actually allowed out of N Staffordshire these days? Btw, The Stubborn Optimist where was the rescue helicopter at some of those "interesting" awaydays back in the late 70s?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 3, 2020 21:04:22 GMT
Glad you're ok LP This thread is of great interest to me as I started the round of Wainwright's Lakeland Fells earlier this year and I am up there on the fells every week or two at the moment. I'm 60 now and most of the time I'm walking on my own (as Wainwright did of course), so I'm very conscious of minimising the risks. A few weeks back I randomly fell over on the summit of Grasmoor. No damage done other than a cut hand, though it did come as a bit of warning shot. I tell my wife my route in advance and text her each time I reach a summit so someone at least has some sort of idea where I am. I had heard about what3words but never really considered using it until I read your post this morning. So thanks for that advice- I've now downloaded it and have been playing on it ever since! Unbelievably the first 2 words of the location of one of the rooms in my house is fells.hiking.!!!! I completed my first round of Wainwright's 214 Lakeland Fells a year or so after I bought my cottage up here when I was 51 - altogether it had taken me about 35 years since my first one! Once I moved up here to live 16 years ago (aged 58) I set myself the objective of doing them all in a year and it took me just 7 months. It all sounds very impressive but the record is about 1 week!!!!!!! That is by a fellrunner with a support team and meals provided in the valleys and the occasional sleep in a campervan. Yes I would imagine living in The Lakes makes a big difference- I have a 5 hour round trip each time. But for me not being restricted to weekends was the game changer. Also it means I can pick and chose my days when there is good weather. Of my 64 so far only 2 summits were in mist. Hate not being able to see the view from the top. And I see someone’s just completed all the Munro’s solo in under 32 days, breaking the record by a week!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2020 21:13:11 GMT
I completed my first round of Wainwright's 214 Lakeland Fells a year or so after I bought my cottage up here when I was 51 - altogether it had taken me about 35 years since my first one! Once I moved up here to live 16 years ago (aged 58) I set myself the objective of doing them all in a year and it took me just 7 months. It all sounds very impressive but the record is about 1 week!!!!!!! That is by a fellrunner with a support team and meals provided in the valleys and the occasional sleep in a campervan. Yes I would imagine living in The Lakes makes a big difference- I have a 5 hour round trip each time. But for me not being restricted to weekends was the game changer. Also it means I can pick and chose my days when there is good weather. Of my 64 so far only 2 summits were in mist. Hate not being able to see the view from the top. And I see someone’s just completed all the Munro’s solo in under 32 days, breaking the record by a week! Have you decided which one you will finish on? Try to make it a good one. Great End is popular - just for the name, of course.
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Post by robinplumpton on Sept 3, 2020 22:41:59 GMT
Wouldnt know fornside or plympton from Adam (whoever he is). Read and occasionsally responded to posts. Hope all ok with you mate. Be loyal, be proud, be Stoke
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