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Post by neddy on Feb 1, 2021 11:19:12 GMT
Hope we could get £500k and him permanently sold?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 1, 2021 11:20:51 GMT
Liam Lindsay is edging closer to a move to Preston, writes Scott McDermott. The defender will replace Ben Davies and is understood to be desperate to link up with Alex Neil’s side after limited game time at the Brittania. Charlton are also keen but but it’s understood Alex Neil’s side are leading the race to secure a deal for the 25-year-old. Not only has it been the bet365 since 2016 they even managed to spell Britannia wrong!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 11:22:17 GMT
Again I thought we might be able to sell him. My fault. Sell him what is this sorcery you speak of we are in the business of stockpiling useless footballers then loaning them out with little or no return, it's the way forward it's amazing no other clubs are not following our process/model they really don't know what they are missing.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 11:23:51 GMT
Liam Lindsay is edging closer to a move to Preston, writes Scott McDermott. The defender will replace Ben Davies and is understood to be desperate to link up with Alex Neil’s side after limited game time at the Brittania. Charlton are also keen but but it’s understood Alex Neil’s side are leading the race to secure a deal for the 25-year-old. Not only has it been the bet365 since 2016 they even managed to spell Britannia wrong! Another Sports Journalist who doesn't know how to use google search!!!
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 11:26:46 GMT
If we ask for £2m I don’t think he will be going anywhere tbh I know but you get my drift with it don’t you, seems be wrong are the worst selling club in the world This is the place we are in unfortunately. No-one in their right mind could argue that his value has risen since he came here, or even stayed on the same level.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 1, 2021 11:53:50 GMT
I know but you get my drift with it don’t you, seems be wrong are the worst selling club in the world This is the place we are in unfortunately. No-one in their right mind could argue that his value has risen since he came here, or even stayed on the same level. Realistically his current worth has probably dropped to £600/700k by way of him not getting games, and performing mostly quite poorly when he has. That kind of price is about right for a proven League 1 CB not getting games in the Championship. Preston will loan him though rather than take a punt, and we should definitely make them take on at least half his wages - it's all about trying to release funds to pay someone else's wages coming in.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 11:58:40 GMT
I know but you get my drift with it don’t you, seems be wrong are the worst selling club in the world This is the place we are in unfortunately. No-one in their right mind could argue that his value has risen since he came here, or even stayed on the same level. Was he ever worth £2m in the first place ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2021 12:04:31 GMT
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Post by moon on Feb 1, 2021 12:11:25 GMT
This is the place we are in unfortunately. No-one in their right mind could argue that his value has risen since he came here, or even stayed on the same level. Realistically his current worth has probably dropped to £600/700k by way of him not getting games, and performing mostly quite poorly when he has. That kind of price is about right for a proven League 1 CB not getting games in the Championship. Preston will loan him though rather than take a punt, and we should definitely make them take on at least half his wages - it's all about trying to release funds to pay someone else's wages coming in. For Preston I'd have thought it's about getting another CB in, if he's going on loan they should cover all his wages (10-12k / week?) and maybe a small loan fee, we can't keep giving players away - especially to Preston who will've just sold someone for 2m or more. Lindsay is still a prospect and he may come good in this division with some regular football, I'm all for letting him go to get some experience (which he needs for his development) but we shouldn't be taking a big loss on him.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Feb 1, 2021 12:24:30 GMT
Realistically his current worth has probably dropped to £600/700k by way of him not getting games, and performing mostly quite poorly when he has. That kind of price is about right for a proven League 1 CB not getting games in the Championship. Preston will loan him though rather than take a punt, and we should definitely make them take on at least half his wages - it's all about trying to release funds to pay someone else's wages coming in. For Preston I'd have thought it's about getting another CB in, if he's going on loan they should cover all his wages (10-12k / week?) and maybe a small loan fee, we can't keep giving players away - especially to Preston who will've just sold someone for 2m or more. Lindsay is still a prospect and he may come good in this division with some regular football, I'm all for letting him go to get some experience (which he needs for his development) but we shouldn't be taking a big loss on him. I don't think he is that bad either to be fair. Just think he is a young lad who's confidence must be shot. He looked terrified every time he played for us under Jones. A loan somewhere else might do him the world of good.
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Post by britvic72 on Feb 1, 2021 12:30:21 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 1, 2021 12:41:50 GMT
Realistically his current worth has probably dropped to £600/700k by way of him not getting games, and performing mostly quite poorly when he has. That kind of price is about right for a proven League 1 CB not getting games in the Championship. Preston will loan him though rather than take a punt, and we should definitely make them take on at least half his wages - it's all about trying to release funds to pay someone else's wages coming in. For Preston I'd have thought it's about getting another CB in, if he's going on loan they should cover all his wages (10-12k / week?) and maybe a small loan fee, we can't keep giving players away - especially to Preston who will've just sold someone for 2m or more. Lindsay is still a prospect and he may come good in this division with some regular football, I'm all for letting him go to get some experience (which he needs for his development) but we shouldn't be taking a big loss on him. I'd imagine he's on more than that - probably more like £15k p/week? I would say a loan with Preston paying all those wages would be the best outcome. As it is now he's only worth £700k but if he performs well at Preston, that figure rises - anything from between £1M to breaking even on what we paid for him. If they don't buy him, he comes back to us a better player... which may be significant if Collins leaves in the summer.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 1, 2021 12:44:19 GMT
For Preston I'd have thought it's about getting another CB in, if he's going on loan they should cover all his wages (10-12k / week?) and maybe a small loan fee, we can't keep giving players away - especially to Preston who will've just sold someone for 2m or more. Lindsay is still a prospect and he may come good in this division with some regular football, I'm all for letting him go to get some experience (which he needs for his development) but we shouldn't be taking a big loss on him. I'd imagine he's on more than that - probably more like £15k p/week? I would say a loan with Preston paying all those wages would be the best outcome. As it is now he's only worth £700k but if he performs well at Preston, that figure rises - anything from between £1M to breaking even on what we paid for him. If they don't buy him, he comes back to us a better player... which may be significant if Collins leaves in the summer. What if he goes out on loan and he bombs? No use to use and goes off the radar. Wonder if he'd fancy a move to Turkey?
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 1, 2021 12:48:09 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 1, 2021 12:57:27 GMT
I'd imagine he's on more than that - probably more like £15k p/week? I would say a loan with Preston paying all those wages would be the best outcome. As it is now he's only worth £700k but if he performs well at Preston, that figure rises - anything from between £1M to breaking even on what we paid for him. If they don't buy him, he comes back to us a better player... which may be significant if Collins leaves in the summer. What if he goes out on loan and he bombs? No use to use and goes off the radar. Wonder if he'd fancy a move to Turkey? Of course, it could go wrong too but we don't lose anything if it does - we just gain on being able to pay another loan player's wages till the summer. Where I think Lindsay's value would significantly nosedive is if he performed badly on loan in League 1, where he made his name.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 1, 2021 13:12:56 GMT
We literally are known as a soft touch aren't we, the amount of players we have loaned out that realistically don't have any future here & we need shot of that are simply draining their contracts down is shocking! Other clubs must surely know we're desperate to offload and just look at loaning players to save themselves having to splash the cash on a transfer fee..
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 1, 2021 13:15:01 GMT
“£2m rising to £2,5m” whatever that means! Thinking about this I wonder if Barnsley were due an extra £500K based on Lindsays appearances for us & this could well be the reason he hasn't featured for us for so long as a starter. He's currently sitting on only 20 league appearances for us so I wonder if 21apps was the marker post for that extra payment to be signalled? Just a thought but would make financial sense I suppose to save us a few bob. Remember at the time when we signed Lindsay that Barnsley fans weren't that disappointed he was leaving them to come to us. & it was mentioned on here that Lindsays defensive partner at the time they won promotion to the Championship was the better player of the two & the one we should of gone for! 🙄 That's a great spot. Lindsay was never a bad as the press he got on here.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 1, 2021 13:20:57 GMT
Another one we never needed. Take whatever we can and fuck him off. Shame it's only Preston where they'll offer about a fiver
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 1, 2021 13:30:16 GMT
We literally are known as a soft touch aren't we, the amount of players we have loaned out that realistically don't have any future here & we need shot of that are simply draining their contracts down is shocking! Other clubs must surely know we're desperate to offload and just look at loaning players to save themselves having to splash the cash on a transfer fee.. We put ourselves in this position the moment we got relegated, then proceeded to trust the next manager with another load of cash on expensive salaried players. We're not unique in that respect, it's either let players out on loan and chip away at the FFP deficit, or play hard ball and end with a load of players not even making the match day squad and draining us financially. We all know the shit show that's got us to where we are but this is the only real way of getting out of it especially in the current market with Covid tightening clubs purse strings even further......
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Post by andystokey on Feb 1, 2021 13:32:28 GMT
We literally are known as a soft touch aren't we, the amount of players we have loaned out that realistically don't have any future here & we need shot of that are simply draining their contracts down is shocking! Other clubs must surely know we're desperate to offload and just look at loaning players to save themselves having to splash the cash on a transfer fee.. The whole Covid window has been a series of loans for everyone. The total transfer fees is miniscule.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 1, 2021 13:32:36 GMT
We literally are known as a soft touch aren't we, the amount of players we have loaned out that realistically don't have any future here & we need shot of that are simply draining their contracts down is shocking! Other clubs must surely know we're desperate to offload and just look at loaning players to save themselves having to splash the cash on a transfer fee.. We put ourselves in this position the moment we got relegated, then proceeded to trust the next manager with another load of cash on expensive salaried players. We're not unique in that respect, it's either let players out on loan and chip away at the FFP deficit, or play hard ball and end with a load of players not even making the match day squad and draining us financially. We all know the shit show that's got us to where we are but this is the only real way of getting out of it especially in the current market with Covid tightening clubs purse strings even further...... Still staggers me that we have a proportion of fans who think the club are playing a real life version of Championship Manager 01/02.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 13:53:58 GMT
We literally are known as a soft touch aren't we, the amount of players we have loaned out that realistically don't have any future here & we need shot of that are simply draining their contracts down is shocking! Other clubs must surely know we're desperate to offload and just look at loaning players to save themselves having to splash the cash on a transfer fee.. We put ourselves in this position the moment we got relegated, then proceeded to trust the next manager with another load of cash on expensive salaried players. We're not unique in that respect, it's either let players out on loan and chip away at the FFP deficit, or play hard ball and end with a load of players not even making the match day squad and draining us financially. We all know the shit show that's got us to where we are but this is the only real way of getting out of it especially in the current market with Covid tightening clubs purse strings even further...... Exactly what is the point of having players like this around the squad, they need to get out and play and hopefully build up some value, which they simply do not have at the moment. It's not healthy to have players around the squad who are not playing, it helps nobody. These loans are the very best option at the moment. Even if they are paying only part of their wages it is something.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 13:58:20 GMT
We put ourselves in this position the moment we got relegated, then proceeded to trust the next manager with another load of cash on expensive salaried players. We're not unique in that respect, it's either let players out on loan and chip away at the FFP deficit, or play hard ball and end with a load of players not even making the match day squad and draining us financially. We all know the shit show that's got us to where we are but this is the only real way of getting out of it especially in the current market with Covid tightening clubs purse strings even further...... Exactly what is the point of having players like this around the squad, they need to get out and play and hopefully build up some value, which they simply do not have at the moment. It's not healthy to have players around the squad who are not playing, it helps nobody. These loans are the very best option at the moment. Even if they are paying only part of their wages it is something. It is but again naively with them getting some money I thought we might have been able to get 500-750k for the useless git and that made me feel happy. A loan is ok but we're definitely soft touches even with the current situation.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 1, 2021 14:09:25 GMT
Another one we never needed. Take whatever we can and fuck him off. Shame it's only Preston where they'll offer about a fiver They've been a Championship club for over 5 years. If they cry poverty, they can do one!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2021 14:17:36 GMT
This is the place we are in unfortunately. No-one in their right mind could argue that his value has risen since he came here, or even stayed on the same level. Realistically his current worth has probably dropped to £600/700k by way of him not getting games, and performing mostly quite poorly when he has. That kind of price is about right for a proven League 1 CB not getting games in the Championship. Preston will loan him though rather than take a punt, and we should definitely make them take on at least half his wages - it's all about trying to release funds to pay someone else's wages coming in. He wasn't worth 500k when we signed him.
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Post by werrington on Feb 1, 2021 14:19:06 GMT
Exactly what is the point of having players like this around the squad, they need to get out and play and hopefully build up some value, which they simply do not have at the moment. It's not healthy to have players around the squad who are not playing, it helps nobody. These loans are the very best option at the moment. Even if they are paying only part of their wages it is something. It is but again naively with them getting some money I thought we might have been able to get 500-750k for the useless git and that made me feel happy. A loan is ok but we're definitely soft touches even with the current situation. And if Preston refuse to pay £500k.....then what? I’m not sure many on here fully understand the finances at football clubs especially in the current climate It’s better to get some money in rather than nothing at all
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2021 14:29:03 GMT
It is but again naively with them getting some money I thought we might have been able to get 500-750k for the useless git and that made me feel happy. A loan is ok but we're definitely soft touches even with the current situation. And if Preston refuse to pay £500k.....then what? I’m not sure many on here fully understand the finances at football clubs especially in the current climate It’s better to get some money in rather than nothing at all There seems to be this view that because we paid £x for a shit player then he must be worth £x now. We paid 2m for a bloke that is barely worth 250k I'd suggest. If we can get any money for him, that would be great. Just do what it takes to get him off our wage bill permanently. I'm just sad that it looks like yet another loan and I've still not recovered from this mornings news that Ryan Woods still has another 12 months left on his contract. It's like groundhog day every window. When we think we've finally got shut of some of the shit, they come back and we have to go through the whole process again. It's more depressing than our recent run of results.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 1, 2021 14:31:17 GMT
You never know, he might get in their side and play really well and get some other sides who are happy to part with money interested.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 14:37:31 GMT
And if Preston refuse to pay £500k.....then what? I’m not sure many on here fully understand the finances at football clubs especially in the current climate It’s better to get some money in rather than nothing at all There seems to be this view that because we paid £x for a shit player then he must be worth £x now. We paid 2m for a bloke that is barely worth 250k I'd suggest. If we can get any money for him, that would be great. Just do what it takes to get him off our wage bill permanently. I'm just sad that it looks like yet another loan and I've still not recovered from this mornings news that Ryan Woods still has another 12 months left on his contract. It's like groundhog day every window. When we think we've finally got shut of some of the shit, they come back and we have to go through the whole process again. It's more depressing than our recent run of results. True, he might have been worth £2m if he had performed well, but he hasn't....that's the story and that's the situation we find ourselves in. He's not going to increase his worth playing the occasional game in the U23s where so far he has been less than impressive.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 14:40:11 GMT
btw what a downer for Preston, only getting £2m for Davies from Liverpool.
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