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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 15:15:11 GMT
Early value with 365 is Swansea at 20/1. Hmm. Not so sure about them. Like you said earlier, take away Gallagher who was great in midfield and Brewster - and almost certainly Ayew, and they could be looking at a massive drain in quality and a loss of their difference-makers. Their manager does seem to attract some good young players on loan, but still a big hole to fill. And we are ahead of them in the 2020 form table. Yep, Blackburn are better odds at 25s. Experienced manager in Mowbray, is starting to build a competetive squad (didn't realise Lewis Holtby was there until I saw him at the end of the season!) and they nearly scraped into the play offs without the injured Bradley Dack. Throw him back into the mix and a couple of signings and I don't think they'll be far away next year. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 5, 2020 15:16:32 GMT
For me it will be Bournemouth. Watford and Brentford if they manage to keep there players. After those three I think it’s going to be very open and hopefully we will be up there with a few more additions I can see Bournemouth struggling again. Like Huddersfield and Blackpool, they're punching above their weight at this level never mind the league above. And outside the PL, given their history and crowds, they're not a draw for players. Yeh I can see what you mean. It won’t be a attractive club you could be right. Maybe only Watford and Brentford to watch out for them. 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 15:22:00 GMT
Its fucking horrible isn't it I'm not sure if I like Sheff Weds' 'medieval' badge or not. I like it. Personally I've always really liked Birmingham's badge, makes me sick thinking it and saying it cuz I hate them, but its smart as fuck. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 5, 2020 15:40:33 GMT
AFC Bournemouth - Depends who they get in and who they sign. Could well do a Stoke. Prediction: Play-off challengers to mid table
Barnsley - Great escape last season but can't see them pulling up any trees. Prediction: Between 13th & 20th
Birmingham - Can these really struggling but they always seem to have a shit squad and never get relegated. Prediction: Relegation contenders
Blackburn - Did alright last season but don't think they have the squad/money to really push the top teams. Prediction: Mid-table mediocrity
Brentford - Really think this season was their chance and can't see them doing the same again. Prediction: between 7th & 14th
Bristol City - Never seem to have enough to really do anything but Hughton could be key. Prediction: Play-off challengers/title contenders
Cardiff - Always will be a decent Championship team and will be play-off challengers, but never particularly brilliant. Prediction: Play-off challengers
Coventry - Can't see them doing anything other than struggle but good to have them back (even if they are playing at Birmingham). Prediction: between 19th & 24th
Derby - Should have a squad to challenge for the play offs at least but always seem to bottle it. Prediction: Play-off challengers/automatic if they sort themselves out
Huddersfield - Should do better than last season (couldn't be much worse) but not sure. Prediction: Between 10th & 16th
Luton - Jones seems to have some sort of Midas touch there and can them doing OK. Prediction: Between 11th & 17th
Middlesbrough - Warnock will have them playing some awful stuff but can get results. Prediction: Just outside play-offs
Millwall - Always difficult to beat and seem to be improving but can't see them bettering last season. Prediction: Mid-table
Norwich - Can't see them being anything other than top end because they always are! Prediction: Title contenders/play offs at worst
Nottingham Forest - Bottled it last season, can see it going proper sour (hopefully). Prediction: Between 12th & 17th
Preston - Can't stand them but they really ought to actually push on at some point. Prediction: Between 10th & 15th
QPR - Could really struggle if they lose Eze and a couple of others. Prediction: Bottom end struggle
Reading - Mark Bowen seems a prize twat so wish them the very worst. Prediction: Between 15th & 21st
Rotherham - Maybe the pick of the promotion teams but still can't see them doing a great deal. Prediction: Between 18th and 22nd
Sheffield Wednesday - Starting off with a minus certainly won't help. Prediction: Relegation battle
Stoke - Who knows. I'd be happy with something to cheer and not the usual dread of watching us. Prediction: Anywhere from 10th upwards
Swansea - Should always be a threat at this level. Prediction: Play-off challengers
Watford - Who knows? Prediction: Title contenders
Wycombe - Will give it their all but can't see anything other than a battling bunch who lose most weeks. Prediction: Between 21st & 24th
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Post by thevoid on Aug 5, 2020 15:41:25 GMT
Oops. Any news on his replacement? No idea but as it looks like they may have to sell more players to pay the July/August wages, I would suggest whoever it is will be cheap, unless a quick sale of the club can be agreed. Perhaps a struggle next season then. I can see Hull at the wrong end of League 1 as well. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 5, 2020 17:21:54 GMT
I can't see us being able to get in the quality needed for a promotion push, I think we'll be somewhere around 10th.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 5, 2020 18:21:28 GMT
Had they not gone up through the play offs I'd have been as confident of Fulham taking the title next season as I was with Leeds this year. Now I've got no idea. Relegated sides haven't got a good record in recent years. You can see that Bournemouth and Watford are going to lose some key men, which probably puts Norwich in the best position of those 3 (despite being awful this year) as the most likely to mount a challenge. There's question marks over all the teams though. Brentford may suffer a hangover and have some of their star players poached, Cardiff- is Neil Harris really a good enough manager to maintain the bounce he oversaw last season? Swansea- how reliant were they on loan players? Forest were so hit and miss that you couldn't back them with any confidence... I think you could build a case for any one of about 14 clubs, and we're somehow one of them! The big question for norwich is "was pukki a flash in the pan, one season wonder"? If he was, they'll be nowhere near. No, because Norwich scored 26 goals this Premier League season and Pukki scored 11 of them. I won't be surprised if a mid-table Premier League club picks him up. |
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Post by henry on Aug 5, 2020 18:40:22 GMT
Title. We're 9/2 to go up with 365 Four and a half to one to go up Not bad odds maybe worth a punt 13/2 with Skybet much more attractive, we were that price last season to win it. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 5, 2020 19:07:29 GMT
Norwich
Watford
Forest
Stoke
Derby (assuming no points deduction)
Preston
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Sheffield Wednesday
Birmingham
Wycombe
The problem is I'm an optimist with zero flair for prediction....
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Post by walton corner on Aug 5, 2020 19:59:16 GMT
Fair play to those who are so positive on a top 6 finish ...can’t see what makes fans think that with what we have at moment and the season we have just had ...even with MON ...we had 10 or more absolutely shocking performances...so 4/5 new players is a must to get close to a top 6 finish
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 20:01:17 GMT
Millwall will be up there for me, think Troy Parrott could really turn it on for them and Rowett is a good manager at the right club.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Aug 5, 2020 20:13:58 GMT
AFC Bournemouth - Depends who they get in and who they sign. Could well do a Stoke. Prediction: Play-off challengers to mid table Barnsley - Great escape last season but can't see them pulling up any trees. Prediction: Between 13th & 20th Birmingham - Can these really struggling but they always seem to have a shit squad and never get relegated. Prediction: Relegation contenders Blackburn - Did alright last season but don't think they have the squad/money to really push the top teams. Prediction: Mid-table mediocrity Brentford - Really think this season was their chance and can't see them doing the same again. Prediction: between 7th & 14th Bristol City - Never seem to have enough to really do anything but Hughton could be key. Prediction: Play-off challengers/title contenders Cardiff - Always will be a decent Championship team and will be play-off challengers, but never particularly brilliant. Prediction: Play-off challengers Coventry - Can't see them doing anything other than struggle but good to have them back (even if they are playing at Birmingham). Prediction: between 19th & 24th Derby - Should have a squad to challenge for the play offs at least but always seem to bottle it. Prediction: Play-off challengers/automatic if they sort themselves out Huddersfield - Should do better than last season (couldn't be much worse) but not sure. Prediction: Between 10th & 16th Luton - Jones seems to have some sort of Midas touch there and can them doing OK. Prediction: Between 11th & 17th Middlesbrough - Warnock will have them playing some awful stuff but can get results. Prediction: Just outside play-offs Millwall - Always difficult to beat and seem to be improving but can't see them bettering last season. Prediction: Mid-table Norwich - Can't see them being anything other than top end because they always are! Prediction: Title contenders/play offs at worst Nottingham Forest - Bottled it last season, can see it going proper sour (hopefully). Prediction: Between 12th & 17th Preston - Can't stand them but they really ought to actually push on at some point. Prediction: Between 10th & 15th QPR - Could really struggle if they lose Eze and a couple of others. Prediction: Bottom end struggle Reading - Mark Bowen seems a prize twat so wish them the very worst. Prediction: Between 15th & 21st Rotherham - Maybe the pick of the promotion teams but still can't see them doing a great deal. Prediction: Between 18th and 22nd Sheffield Wednesday - Starting off with a minus certainly won't help. Prediction: Relegation battle Stoke - Who knows. I'd be happy with something to cheer and not the usual dread of watching us. Prediction: Anywhere from 10th upwards Swansea - Should always be a threat at this level. Prediction: Play-off challengers Watford - Who knows? Prediction: Title contenders Wycombe - Will give it their all but can't see anything other than a battling bunch who lose most weeks. Prediction: Between 21st & 24th Nobody ever anticipates Brentford doing what they do, they always lose players and somehow get stronger. Bristol City won’t be getting Hughton, thus it’ll be another season of being the “nearly men.” Coventry have had a very good window so far, and Mark Robins is a decent manager. I reckon they’ll be top half. Huddersfield are a bit of an unknown quantity. Carlos Corberan in charge (one of Bielsa’s main men), possibly losing Grant, could do absolutely anything. Norwich were poor first season they came down last time, losing a lot of players could really hurt them and leave them mid table once more. Dowell is a fantastic signing though. Swansea are losing a number of key starters from loan. Have to keep Ayew or they could find themselves somewhere in mid table too. Watford - getting the right manager is massive for them. They’ll be top two by Xmas, finish 8th and sack whoever they appoint. All in all, it’s a dogshit league, fighting to be the least shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:11:12 GMT
Stoke without butland ...a chance of some sort of challenge ( play offs ?)
Stoke with butland ...no chance whatsoever
I wish him well somewhere else , good luck to the lad , but scfc need to draw a line and move on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2020 23:37:43 GMT
Mid table seems more likely than anything else.
But who knows what MON can pull out of the bag?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 2:15:10 GMT
Really think Wayne Rooney will be a massive influence at derby
I would love to have him at Stoke
A bit daft off the pitch sometimes , but aren't we all ?
Absolutely fantastic footballer on the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 3:32:50 GMT
Unpopular opinion but have a feeling Luton could be up there aswell. I'd imagine Boro under Warnock to be flying too. Brave shout but think Luton will go down |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 6, 2020 9:26:07 GMT
I can see Watford struggling if they start selling players. Norwich would be my favourites to win the league.
My top 3 to win the league would be Stoke, Norwich and Cardiff. Dark horses would be Blackburn.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 6, 2020 9:45:29 GMT
we won't be anywhere near the top unless we improve away from home, left back an absolute must and the midfield needs more bite, how many times have they been open to the counter attack this season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 9:58:29 GMT
I think Derby could be a good outside bet this season.
As someone said we need to improve away. Performances not always bad but didn't take our chances in many games.
There isn't an outstanding side.
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Post by neddy on Aug 6, 2020 10:06:46 GMT
I think Derby could be a good outside bet this season. As someone said we need to improve away. Performances not always bad but didn't take our chances in many games. There isn't an outstanding side. I really hope they get points deducted but it’s gone pretty quiet on that front? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 10:10:07 GMT
we won't be anywhere near the top unless we improve away from home, left back an absolute must and the midfield needs more bite, how many times have they been open to the counter attack this season. Look at the Forest game, it happened on numerous occassions but we managed to just rectify the initial mistake. Good to see MON moaning about throw ins too. It's been my biggest bug bear this season. We lose possession from them so often. It's awful. We have to rectify it. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 10:25:23 GMT
I think promotion is wildly optimistic, although if we do some decent work in the transfer market, I might reconsider. The best I can come up with is that I'm less fearful of relegation next year. At the very least we appear to have bottomed out and seem to be moving in the right direction.
O'Neill seems to be a decent, if so far unspectacular manager, although I fully accept the excellent job he did turning a demoralised load of shite into a decent mid-table side with some fight and commitment at last.
Solid transfer investment (hah!) and a top ten finish this coming season would be progress, followed by more of the same and a genuine go in 2021/22. (Not least because we always seem to do well when the season has a 2 in the year descriptor! 21/22; 32/33; 62/63, 72, 91/92; 92/93.
More realistic odds are 33/1 for the title, about 15s to go up imo.
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 6, 2020 10:49:31 GMT
Way too early for meaningful predictions, but some early thoughts:
Bournemouth - Ake leaving means they have a big hole to fill. On the other hand, they'll potentially have the biggest budget in the league, parachute payments + Ake fee. Competing in the Championship poses different problems to the PL, however. Can they make the right managerial appointment and get someone capable of building a team to mount a challenge for the title? Should have enough to stay well north of the drop zone.
Watford - could do anything from relegation to running away with it, I'd suggest the latter is more likely.
Norwich - on downward trajectory it would seem, I'd suggest the least likely of the relegated sides to go straight back up (given my record at making predictions, this could make them a banker to win the title).
'Boro - Would be no surprise if Colin lifts them up towards the play-offs at least.
Stoke - How much cash have we got available for transfers? However good a manager MoN is, unless he can find a couple of signings to improve our known weaknesses, the best I can envisage is safe mid-table.
Brum - Interesting managerial appointment, though Karanka looks a volatile character. In theory, the Bellingham millions should be available to him to help rebuild a squad in desperate need of rebuilding. However, the owners (whoever they really are) and CEO haven't exactly responded warmly to calls to "splash the cash". If the manager is not allowed to invest significantly it would be no surprise if he's gone by Christmas.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 6, 2020 11:15:39 GMT
Far too many things to happen before anybody can call anything yet. There will be players coming and going with all clubs... probably managers too. It's natural to call out the usual suspects for promotion and relegation and not wrong to name Norwich as title contenders because they're always yo-yo'ing between the two top leagues. So if I was to place a bet it would probably be on Norwich returning to the Prem automatically.
As far as we're concerned, because of our parlous financial situation re FFP stuff, we'll do well to make the top six. It will all depend on how Michael O'Neil can build a side around the core group of players he will rely on. I think he's a very good manager but even he can only work with the tools he's got, and as in most trades, even the best tradesmen are knackered with blunt tools. If we do make the top six then I reckon it will be down to our manager continuing the progress that he's already shown he can do. So on that basis I reckon a few quid on us making up one of the top three either automatically or via the play-offs is worth a punt. But I certainly wouldn't put my shirt on it.
Other managers I reckon will do well this season. I can see Rowett continuing to improve Millwall and they could make the play-offs, and Jones, now he's got his feet firmly under the Luton table again, won't be in the relegation zone. As a matter of fact, if I was a gambling bloke - which I'm not - I'd be placing a bet based on managers and not players at the moment. And there are some good managers and some wise old heads amongst the managers in this league. It's going to be interesting.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2020 9:45:45 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2020 9:56:21 GMT
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 11, 2020 14:13:54 GMT
Top half would be sensible for us at the moment. This squad needs work and is far ready to deal with premier league football.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 11:39:21 GMT
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 13, 2020 11:42:03 GMT
It would be nice just to be in and around, something to get excited about towards end of the season and not just go through the motions.
Would settle with 10th and above though
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2020 8:43:36 GMT
We seem to be pretty much 5th favs across the board at this stage  |
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