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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 22, 2020 13:16:24 GMT
Ah right sorry.... Pre MON With Allen W2 D1 L10 PPG 0.7 Pre MON Without Allen W0 D1 L1 PPG 0.5 Under MON With Allen: W10 D4 L8 PPG 1.54 Under MON Without Allen W3 D2 L3 PPG 1.37 Conclusive!! JA is the messiah 🤣 Prestwich beat me to them. Worth noting with a win tonight post lockdown goes to 1.55. It's more volatile because of the disparity in games. It's also probably too simplistic a way of defining a player's impact as a sole metric. Hence why I've put it alongside other factors in my previous post. Nonetheless I think MON has basically lifted the team with and without him, which was the main thrust I was getting at.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 13:17:32 GMT
Conclusive!! JA is the messiah 🤣 Prestwich beat me to them. Worth noting with a win tonight post lockdown goes to 1.55. It's more volatile because of the disparity in games. It's also probably too simplistic a way of measuring a player's impact, hence why I've put it alongside other factors in my previous post. I think MON has basically lifted the team with and without him, which was the main thrust I was getting at. First time for everything mate......
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Post by harryh157 on Jul 22, 2020 13:17:34 GMT
Also in the team that finished 13th in the prem oh and when he was injured we were ..... 17th a bit like now (or did you stop counting when we changed manager?). By your argument you would get rid of every player who was with us prior to MON taking over. I really do wonder why some stoke fans have to portray everything about and in the club in the worst light. You don't like him. I do....its all about opinions but to suggest we were bottom of the league because he was in the team and imply the improvement followed his injury is both ludicrous and clearly untrue. Nah just the ones that are easily replaced by Cousins. He's one of the top earners and offers very little and easily replaceable, I wasn't saying our up turn is only down to him being out of the team because clearly that isn't the case I'm saying we need a different type of player to him to progress rather than an average all rounder such as Allen we need a proper DM proven by Cousins playing in the side and not missing Allen one bit, that coupled with his pay and it seems stupid that he's still here. Whether you think he's good or not doesn't matter he doesn't fit and isn't what we need ever since he signed. Either way this is a pointless discussion as MON clearly rates him and is another manger that can't see that he's not what we need. As I say ..... opinions hey, I agree with MON you don't. Unlikely we will ever conclusively know who was right.... Until we go up as champions next season with JA an ever present and voted championship player of the season! Mind, you'd probably still say he was crap 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 13:20:55 GMT
Conclusive!! JA is the messiah 🤣 Not really, 22 vs 8 it doesn't help either way tbf. Using this seasons table it would be the difference between us being 11th, or going into tonight's games in 7th with a chance of making the play offs. Small margins.....
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Post by orfyboothen on Jul 22, 2020 14:20:40 GMT
Strange standpoint. We had play off form under MON with Allen a key figure from November to February. Pretty good evidence that. Butland was in that team too, would you keep him in? Good point. But I was defending Allen purely on the basis that he would not fit into a team with form better than mid table.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 22, 2020 16:16:13 GMT
Not really, 22 vs 8 it doesn't help either way tbf. Using this seasons table it would be the difference between us being 11th, or going into tonight's games in 7th with a chance of making the play offs. Small margins..... Come back to me when the amount of each games are closer, too big a margin to gain anything from it for or against.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 16:17:37 GMT
Using this seasons table it would be the difference between us being 11th, or going into tonight's games in 7th with a chance of making the play offs. Small margins..... Come back to me when the amount of each games are closer, too big a margin to gain anything from it for or against. With the higher points total being on the larger sample of course. No problem.......
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 22, 2020 16:37:36 GMT
Conclusive!! JA is the messiah 🤣 Prestwich beat me to them. Worth noting with a win tonight post lockdown goes to 1.55. It's more volatile because of the disparity in games. It's also probably too simplistic a way of defining a player's impact as a sole metric. Hence why I've put it alongside other factors in my previous post. Nonetheless I think MON has basically lifted the team with and without him, which was the main thrust I was getting at. Hang on though, you're not disputing those figures then? Our PPG is higher with Allen than without? You said the opposite earlier, I'm confused
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 22, 2020 16:43:44 GMT
Prestwich beat me to them. Worth noting with a win tonight post lockdown goes to 1.55. It's more volatile because of the disparity in games. It's also probably too simplistic a way of defining a player's impact as a sole metric. Hence why I've put it alongside other factors in my previous post. Nonetheless I think MON has basically lifted the team with and without him, which was the main thrust I was getting at. Hang on though, you're not disputing those figures then? Our PPG is higher with Allen than without? You said the opposite earlier, I'm confused That was across the whole season with Jones’ tenure included. His whole season PPG is 1.17.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 22, 2020 16:46:01 GMT
Hang on though, you're not disputing those figures then? Our PPG is higher with Allen than without? You said the opposite earlier, I'm confused That was across the whole season with Jones’ tenure included. But according to prestwich's figures it's higher across the board
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 22, 2020 16:55:59 GMT
Hang on though, you're not disputing those figures then? Our PPG is higher with Allen than without? You said the opposite earlier, I'm confused That was across the whole season with Jones’ tenure included. His whole season PPG is 1.17. Right I've got it now. There's something wrong with the first of prestwich's figures anyway, it doesn't add up.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 22, 2020 17:05:50 GMT
That was across the whole season with Jones’ tenure included. But according to prestwich's figures it's higher across the board His PPG is 1.17 for his 35 games across the whole season. Our post lockdown PPG is currently 1.375 , which drops to 1.22 if we lose tonight. To be fair I should also adjust my initial statement to include the 2 games he missed after his red card under Jones which means it’s currently 12 points from 10 without him. So 1.2 PPG without him across both Jones and MON with one to play. That adjustment means it could drop below his 1.17 with a loss tonight. Either way, I don’t think PPG alone is a compelling argument for either camp without context. We are more or less consistent with or without him. Which probably sums up my opinion about him presently, I think we could live without him but he definitely improved under MON to the point I stopped being angry at him 😂 and you could see why he is rated highly.
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Post by emery1985 on Jul 22, 2020 20:25:56 GMT
Everybody look who's not going down.
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