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Post by stokiesteve on Jul 18, 2020 19:17:56 GMT
To be in with a shout of the play offs
I know the paint hasn't dried on this season yet..
Can we do it?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 18, 2020 19:20:34 GMT
I'm wanting automatic promotion!
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 18, 2020 19:21:22 GMT
To be in with a shout of the play offs I know the paint hasn't dried on this season yet.. Can we do it? Reel it in |
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Post by adamsson on Jul 18, 2020 19:24:39 GMT
Having a goalkeeper would be worth an easy 20 points
Just keep playing Davies
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Post by zerps on Jul 18, 2020 19:25:38 GMT
Easy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 19:27:02 GMT
That's the beauty of the Championship. It's very difficult to predict.
For example, in November 2015 David Wagner went to Huddersfield Town and took 36 points from 30 games and finished in 19th place with 51 points. The following season he took them up through the play offs after finishing 5th.
Who knows what will happen?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 18, 2020 19:29:12 GMT
I think there is a LOT of work needed on getting the squad down to a manageable size and filling obvious gaps before we can even start to think of promotion.
I'd be more than happy with a season of mid-table safety next year while MON clears out some of the crap.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 18, 2020 19:44:41 GMT
Yes we can, was talking with the other half and saying that only Leeds really have battered us.
We really have been the masters of our downfalls this season. Calamity keeping to defensive mix ups and missed opportunities.
Cut out the mistakes and with confidence we will learn to be more ruthless up front when given opportunities
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jul 18, 2020 19:47:04 GMT
It'll help having more than -14 points after the first 20 games or whateverthefuck hole Nathan put is in this season.
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Jul 18, 2020 19:48:05 GMT
Yes we can, was talking with the other half and saying that only Leeds really have battered us. We really have been the masters of our downfalls this season. Calamity keeping to defensive mix ups and missed opportunities. Cut out the mistakes and with confidence we will learn to be more ruthless up front when given opportunities And Wigan 🙈 and..... |
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 18, 2020 19:52:20 GMT
How many points has Butland cost us this season? Just having a competent goalkeeper could be worth an extra ten points or so.
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Post by zerps on Jul 18, 2020 19:53:38 GMT
How many points has Butland cost us this season? Just having a competent goalkeeper could be worth an extra ten points or so. He’s gone, Shirley. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 18, 2020 19:59:24 GMT
The table since MON came in puts us very safe with interest in the playoffs. That'll do nicely.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 18, 2020 20:28:41 GMT
Our form under MON would put us on 69 points if it was replicated over the whole season. That's pretty much play-off territory with the players we have now.
Not saying there isn't a big job to do, but if you look at it from a glass half full point of view, there's no reason we can't have a damn good season with the right signings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 20:55:20 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Jul 18, 2020 21:56:09 GMT
A decent LB
Ditto DM
2 wingers
A back up keeper and who knows
With the current points tally we'd be on 67, as he's won 41 in 28, so just outside the play offs
With the above additions an extra 10 points is realistic
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Post by eddy on Jul 18, 2020 22:00:28 GMT
Well, we'll have 15 extra games with MON next time around. As I've mentioned elsewhere, we earn 1.5 per game with him. 15 x 1.5 = 22.5. Last season we got 8 points from those first 15, so if we continue with our current PPG under MON that's an extra 14.5. I'm reasonably confident a full MON pre-season and a little more time for him to build his own squad should cover the rest of the 2.5 points extra you reckon we need. I personally have every expectation we will be right in the mix for the play off spots next season!
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Post by bolders on Jul 18, 2020 23:43:10 GMT
How many games have we lost due Butland throwing the ball in to the back of his own net
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2020 23:43:46 GMT
If we had MON at the start we'd be in for a playoff place.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 19, 2020 0:34:19 GMT
Are we really getting this carried away ?
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Post by skip on Jul 19, 2020 0:39:01 GMT
Not getting carried away - the stats tell us all we need to know. If the board want to go back up, and they shift players on, and trust MoN to re-build and re-model what we have, a play off spot shouldn't be out the question.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 19, 2020 0:41:14 GMT
Not getting carried away - the stats tell us all we need to know. If the board want to go back up, and they shift players on, and trust MoN to re-build and re-model what we have, a play off spot shouldn't be out the question. Everyone said the same about jones and rowett |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 19, 2020 1:14:50 GMT
Not getting carried away - the stats tell us all we need to know. If the board want to go back up, and they shift players on, and trust MoN to re-build and re-model what we have, a play off spot shouldn't be out the question. Agree completely with, Skip. Stats tell us everything and I genuinely feel if we had MON since the start we'd be fighting for a playoff place. Back this man. |
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Post by eddy on Jul 19, 2020 10:02:25 GMT
I will add that we have actually, statistically, been very very unlucky this season. Our xG stats (which are becoming a pretty serious analysis tool, and seem to be the best predictor for genuine performance at the moment) suggest that we have been the unluckiest team in the league. Our expected goals against, in particular, is much lower than the amount we have actually shipped (which I suppose also shows how desperately poor Jack has been). If our luck reflected our performances this season we would actually already be in the playoff positions right now. Now - luck evens out over time (and getting rid of Butland won't hurt either) - so I am sure we will be right up there next season These stats websites track xG, and according to them, xG performance suggests that we should currently be around 4th in the table - DESPITE the awful start. Although I will add that the awful start was part of this xG disparity - we had absolutely no luck under Jones and our results undersold our performances. experimental361.com/2020/07/17/expected-goals-table-championship-17-jul-2020/www.infogol.net/en/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2019-20/151 |
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Post by stokiesteve on Jul 19, 2020 16:07:12 GMT
Are we really getting this carried away ? No mate, not carried away Just positive thinking. Or shall we stick with negativity? Its a tough one ....  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 16:43:36 GMT
A decent LB Ditto DM 2 wingers A back up keeper and who knows With the current points tally we'd be on 67, as he's won 41 in 28, so just outside the play offs With the above additions an extra 10 points is realistic of course a few more wins would have taken points of play off teams or teams there abouts-: defeats the Forest Bristol City etc |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 19, 2020 17:08:26 GMT
Are we really getting this carried away ? No mate, not carried away Just positive thinking. Or shall we stick with negativity? Its a tough one .... Up to you whether you want to be disappointed again at the end of the season. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2020 17:13:20 GMT
Not getting carried away - the stats tell us all we need to know. If the board want to go back up, and they shift players on, and trust MoN to re-build and re-model what we have, a play off spot shouldn't be out the question. Everyone said the same about jones and rowett They didn't put points on the board |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 17:42:22 GMT
We need to improve our away form, need to win 1/3rd of our away games at least, whilst having a good home record too.
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Post by stokiesteve on Jul 20, 2020 7:28:42 GMT
No mate, not carried away Just positive thinking. Or shall we stick with negativity? Its a tough one .... Up to you whether you want to be disappointed again at the end of the season. Mate it’s that type of thinking that creates a stigma We have escaped what once seemed certain relegation with a brilliant effort in the main since MON came in He will have learnt so much in that time and I for one feel good about the future. Just give it s go 👍 |
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