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Post by supacoopa101 on Jul 18, 2020 16:49:27 GMT
"I want us to play attractive attacking football. I will look to get in young, athletic players".....proceeds to sign Stephen fucking Ward. NJ is the biggest fraud going.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 18, 2020 16:50:41 GMT
He’s gone , we move on , onwards and upwards
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 18, 2020 16:56:03 GMT
I honestly don't mind if he keeps them up I don't either Same here - and to be honest given where they were when he took over it would be a very creditable achievement. O'Neill's alluded to lingering issues in the dressing room that still need sorting which Jones clearly struggled to deal with. At Luton - who don't seem to have those problems - he's showing he has actually got the potential to manage at this level. We were the wrong club at the wrong time for him and in O'Neil we appear to have got a manager who can actually deal with our issues.
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 18, 2020 17:00:30 GMT
Good luck to him I say, he really looked ill when he left here and obviously tried his very best, and I feel our problems have run much deeper than any manager these last few years.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 18, 2020 17:19:53 GMT
Have Luton fans forgiven him now?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2020 22:13:59 GMT
Have Luton fans forgiven him now? Just seen his post match interview. Looks like he’s been to the Priory and sorted his life out! God he looked absolutely awful at Stoke, like he was having a nervous breakdown.
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Post by march4 on Jul 18, 2020 22:23:57 GMT
He’s part of our history.
MON is the future.
Let’s hope we finish 20 places above Luton next season.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 18, 2020 22:48:45 GMT
Him and Rowett were absolutely diabolical appointments. We should have gone straight beck up had we have made the right appointment.
I wouldn't piss on either of them if they were on fire
Thankfully we've got someone who knows what they're doing, something we haven't had for 4 years since Hughes lost the plot.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Jul 18, 2020 23:31:52 GMT
He obviously tried but like Rowett, he got it so catastrophically wrong and kept going with it that I actually really don’t like the pair of them.
He never got going from the off and instead of keeping things calm and pragmatically trying to move forwards we had all of his dramatic nonsense, crazy formations and a bus load of players through the door that weren’t any better than what we had.
If he hadn’t spouted all that crap in the media and had tried sensible formations, with the correct players and appeared to have some sort of plan in the transfer market then I wouldn’t be that bothered by him but instead he behaved like a massive twat and nearly relegated us.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 19, 2020 5:52:44 GMT
He didn’t do it on his own. He got plenty of help from lots of other people. Personally I wish him no ill will. Impossible to hate Nath. I just don’t think he had the respect of the players. Too young to earn the respect of a bunch of veterans? Probably. He's Forty fucking Seven. His playing days are long over. He's a self aggrandising,supercilious, delusional, arrogant fuckwit of a football manager. For this prick to have taken so many Stoke fans in shows how gullible our fan base are in general. As soon as he wrote off last season he lost any goodwill, he deserved to have been sacked at the end of it. As ever our board were blind to it all and stuck by the charlatan cunt. For him to oust Steve Cotterill from the depths of my most hated individuals directly associated with Stoke list says it all. I want to play Luton next season and absolutely tear them apart home and away, with the players he hung out to dry celebrating like absolute bastards in front of his dugout every time we score. Anyone at Burnley away the first time we played a Cotterill side will understand the depth of vitriol that can be mustered. It's very cathartic.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 19, 2020 5:53:23 GMT
Good luck to him I say, he really looked ill when he left here and obviously tried his very best, and I feel our problems have run much deeper than any manager these last few years. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on.
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Post by zerps on Jul 19, 2020 6:08:26 GMT
Impossible to hate Nath. I just don’t think he had the respect of the players. Too young to earn the respect of a bunch of veterans? Probably. He's Forty fucking Seven. His playing days are long over. He's a self aggrandising,supercilious, delusional, arrogant fuckwit of a football manager. For this prick to have taken so many Stoke fans in shows how gullible our fan base are in general. As soon as he wrote off last season he lost any goodwill, he deserved to have been sacked at the end of it. As ever our board were blind to it all and stuck by the charlatan cunt. For him to oust Steve Cotterill from the depths of my most hated individuals directly associated with Stoke list says it all. I want to play Luton next season and absolutely tear them apart home and away, with the players he hung out to dry celebrating like absolute bastards in front of his dugout every time we score. Anyone at Burnley away the first time we played a Cotterill side will understand the depth of vitriol that can be mustered. It's very cathartic. Don’t you like him then?
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Post by mamasgloves on Jul 19, 2020 6:55:31 GMT
Impossible to hate Nath. I just don’t think he had the respect of the players. Too young to earn the respect of a bunch of veterans? Probably. He's Forty fucking Seven. His playing days are long over. He's a self aggrandising,supercilious, delusional, arrogant fuckwit of a football manager. For this prick to have taken so many Stoke fans in shows how gullible our fan base are in general. As soon as he wrote off last season he lost any goodwill, he deserved to have been sacked at the end of it. As ever our board were blind to it all and stuck by the charlatan cunt. For him to oust Steve Cotterill from the depths of my most hated individuals directly associated with Stoke list says it all. I want to play Luton next season and absolutely tear them apart home and away, with the players he hung out to dry celebrating like absolute bastards in front of his dugout every time we score. Anyone at Burnley away the first time we played a Cotterill side will understand the depth of vitriol that can be mustered. It's very cathartic. This. Absolutely fucking mental he gets any kind of credit or sympathy from anyone associated with Stoke. We were on the verge of the 3rd tier because of him, people would have lost their livelihoods because of him and his arrogant "no-one does more work than we do" and endless empty promises. The worst manager in our entire history who deserves every inch of bile, vitriol and hatred that comes his way. Fuck off Nathan.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 19, 2020 7:01:48 GMT
He's Forty fucking Seven. His playing days are long over. He's a self aggrandising,supercilious, delusional, arrogant fuckwit of a football manager. For this prick to have taken so many Stoke fans in shows how gullible our fan base are in general. As soon as he wrote off last season he lost any goodwill, he deserved to have been sacked at the end of it. As ever our board were blind to it all and stuck by the charlatan cunt. For him to oust Steve Cotterill from the depths of my most hated individuals directly associated with Stoke list says it all. I want to play Luton next season and absolutely tear them apart home and away, with the players he hung out to dry celebrating like absolute bastards in front of his dugout every time we score. Anyone at Burnley away the first time we played a Cotterill side will understand the depth of vitriol that can be mustered. It's very cathartic. Don’t you like him then? Can you tell?
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Post by wrighter on Jul 19, 2020 7:03:58 GMT
Good luck to him I say, he really looked ill when he left here and obviously tried his very best, and I feel our problems have run much deeper than any manager these last few years. i agree, well said, he was totally out of his depth here,
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Post by mamasgloves on Jul 19, 2020 7:07:04 GMT
Good luck to him I say, he really looked ill when he left here and obviously tried his very best, and I feel our problems have run much deeper than any manager these last few years. i agree, well said, he was totally out of his depth here, i wish him well He was out of his depth but his misplaced self belief and greed stopped him from doing the right thing and walking away, which he refused to do without a sizeable pay off. That was the delay after being sacked post Huddersfield, negotiating his settlement which meant a new appointment was delayed and he had to take 2/3 more games
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Post by slicko on Jul 19, 2020 7:10:37 GMT
You nearly wrecked our great club. Hopefully you get your just desserts and go down this afternoon Let’s not hate so much. His success at Luton led him to believe he could handle bigger clubs and a bigger challenge - he just misread it.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 19, 2020 7:14:30 GMT
I despise Nathan Jones
Biggest fraud in the history of football
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Post by sportsman on Jul 19, 2020 7:21:51 GMT
I don't hate him at all. Didn't work out obviously, but is wasn't for the want of trying. I'm sure he put everything into it day and night, and because either it didn't work out or wasn't good enough is not enough for me to hate someone that tried everything he could for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 7:28:08 GMT
Good luck to him I say, he really looked ill when he left here and obviously tried his very best, and I feel our problems have run much deeper than any manager these last few years. This. For MON still to be saying there is so much wrong at the club is a concern, but hopefully he can address the playing side with good recruitment over the summer.
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Post by ginkgo on Jul 19, 2020 7:29:38 GMT
7 NJ signings in the starting 11 vs Brentford. That's more than Nathan ever selected for any match. Most of them never got much of a look in under the previous manager though.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 19, 2020 7:40:38 GMT
He wasn't the man for the problems at Stoke, too young and inexperienced. That was not his fault, it's what he inherited and even O'Neil has said he anticipated a difficult job but underestimated how difficult. Rowett said much the same. The decline started during the Hughes reign and as I keep saying I was told two years ago by someone who knows/knew the inside of the club well it runs very deep and is not just the manager and squad.
The hatred shown here for Jones is totally out of order. He did not deliberately do a bad job to hurt the club. He was obviously out of his depth but the club understandably have not been totally honest with any of the managers they have appointed since Hughes. The man wanted to do well so much that he made himself ill. His comments were delusional but I suspect that was the way he tried to defend himself and to convince himself more than anyone else. Stories coming out of the dressing room suggest a man of his age or managerial and playing experience was never going to succeed. He was not the only one-neither had Rowett with a much better cv or Hughes and Lambert for that matter. I for one was happy to try something different when Jones arrived.
We were in a worse place when he left and many of us now say in hindsight we should have stuck with Rowett. I have my doubts about that because although less obvious, I think his mental health too was beginning to suffer. Even the unflappable O'Neill looked stressed and let his mask slip over the last few weeks and has on occasions looked ill.
Until the club is totally overhauled this will be a repeating story and I hope O'Neill has the strength of character to do that. I do not blame the Coates family either who have put in a lot of money to a club they love and genuinely want to do the best they can but have no more experience than any other fan. Every manager has talked about the backing both financial and moral that they give. They employ people to run the club for them. They provide the money and outline the way they want to go but expect others to do the job. In some ways I think their love of the club and the fact they are very patient people gets in the way and there needs to be more accountability.
Getting back to the main point I am glad to see Jones get back to doing a very good job at a smaller more modest club. He even seems to have learned from his Stoke experience - there was no chest thumping as far as I could see yesterday and he seemed a much more humble man in his interview. Most of all he looked like the bright eyed young manager we appointed who aged twenty years in his short spell at Stoke.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Jul 19, 2020 7:50:09 GMT
come on Hull, the icing on the cake please, please please The icing on the cake will be if Bournemouth get relegated, the cum fest over the odious twat that is Eddie Howe will be officially over.
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Post by wrighter on Jul 19, 2020 8:13:13 GMT
He wasn't the man for the problems at Stoke, too young and inexperienced. That was not his fault, it's what he inherited and even O'Neil has said he anticipated a difficult job but underestimated how difficult. Rowett said much the same. The decline started during the Hughes reign and as I keep saying I was told two years ago by someone who knows/knew the inside of the club well it runs very deep and is not just the manager and squad. The hatred shown here for Jones is totally out of order. He did not deliberately do a bad job to hurt the club. He was obviously out of his depth but the club understandably have not been totally honest with any of the managers they have appointed since Hughes. The man wanted to do well so much that he made himself ill. His comments were delusional but I suspect that was the way he tried to defend himself and to convince himself more than anyone else. Stories coming out of the dressing room suggest a man of his age or managerial and playing experience was never going to succeed. He was not the only one-neither had Rowett with a much better cv or Hughes and Lambert for that matter. I for one was happy to try something different when Jones arrived. We were in a worse place when he left and many of us now say in hindsight we should have stuck with Rowett. I have my doubts about that because although less obvious, I think his mental health too was beginning to suffer. Even the unflappable O'Neill looked stressed and let his mask slip over the last few weeks and has on occasions looked ill. Until the club is totally overhauled this will be a repeating story and I hope O'Neill has the strength of character to do that. I do not blame the Coates family either who have put in a lot of money to a club they love and genuinely want to do the best they can but have no more experience than any other fan. Every manager has talked about the backing both financial and moral that they give. They employ people to run the club for them. They provide the money and outline the way they want to go but expect others to do the job. In some ways I think their love of the club and the fact they are very patient people gets in the way and there needs to be more accountability. Getting back to the main point I am glad to see Jones get back to doing a very good job at a smaller more modest club. He even seems to have learned from his Stoke experience - there was no chest thumping as far as I could see yesterday and he seemed a much more humble man in his interview. Most of all he looked like the bright eyed young manager we appointed who aged twenty years in his short spell at Stoke. Excellent post, i couldnt have written it better
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 19, 2020 8:16:00 GMT
I’m still convinced Mick Harford is part of the reason Jones failed here
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Post by marwood on Jul 19, 2020 8:25:47 GMT
Pissing into the wind of popular opinion here but I hope they stay up
He looked physically ill when he left here. Plus
It would add some frisson to see The Mad Monk of Merthyr gesticulating wildly at the 365 next year. We need a pantomime villain now that Arsene and TP have left the arena.
Remember how shit Eastenders went after Dirty Den left
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 8:29:52 GMT
Towards the end of this, he talks about how he used to be too emotional in his early career but now he’s thinking clearly and making those big decisions.
What a fucking whopper. The new Steve Cotterill.
All about himself.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 8:38:57 GMT
Wrong club at the wrong time. I think he will go on and have a decent career. He could be the Colin Wanker type, gets clubs promoted from the lower divisions, but not quite make it at the top level.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 19, 2020 8:44:09 GMT
He wasn't the man for the problems at Stoke, too young and inexperienced. Pure revisionism. When Jones took over he was 2 years older than Tony Pulis was when he first became manager in 2002. Arguably Pulis joined the club in as big a mess as we are now, dealing with the death throes of the Icelandic period of ownership and in a similar league position to that inherited by O'Neill. I believe the situation bears fair comparison. Both Jones and Pulis are apparently students of the game who both got into coaching relatively early on in their career. I guess there the similarities end and it just boils down to force of personality and capability. Jones does not deserve to get off lightly for his part in what he put us through.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 19, 2020 8:46:58 GMT
Towards the end of this, he talks about how he used to be too emotional in his early career but now he’s thinking clearly and making those big decisions. What a fucking whopper. The new Steve Cotterill. All about himself. He should never have left the Shires he and Frodo were so happy.
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