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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 16, 2020 8:30:08 GMT
Do you think other clubs fans are like us ?
Been trawling through the remnants of the awful season we have had and threads on here. Literally every player has had an individual thread absolutely mullering them.
Butland. Coward, doesn't want to be here.
Smith. Dreadful signing, average mid table right back
BMI . Again doesn't want to be here, a liability.
Baath. Poor signing. Slow journeyman.
Chester. Where do I start.
Clucas. Can't be arsed, goes missing when the chips are down.
I won't go on and on but add Ince, Powell, Vokes, Gregory, Cousins, Campbell , Gregory, McLean, not to mention umpteen more.
Real vitriol and hatred towards literally every individual player.
Flip the coin, we win a game
McLean, absolute warrior
Baath , from last night , possible player of the season !!!
Again I won't go on .
Before I'm accused of being a snowflake, I've joined in with plenty of the vitriol.
I've said it before on here and it's only my personal opinion which is what the site is for .But there's very little balance on here at times. Real jekkyl and Hyde.
Lose its meltdown or when we win a couple you get a thread started up about making the play offs ( after Barnsley away ) .
Like I said I'd like to think I'm no snowflake but it was only when I looked through it dawned on me that almost every single person has been individually castigated and some really offensive personal abuse towards them.
Is it the Premier League that has caused this ? I'm old school, I've watched John Clark, Steven Tweed, Ian Painter, Derek Statham , I was at Peterborough for the Paul Ware moment, god rest his soul.
Just seems now that the hate , language, vitriol is really really bad and the animosity.
We have had far worse than this and I realise that social media wasn't around then but I think all of us , me included need to think about what we are writing.
There are 91 other clubs who all want their team to be the best.
4 champions
8 promotion
11 relegation
We have had a terrible few seasons, so have Sunderland, Ipswich, Bury, Macclesfield, Vale, Notts County.
We have no entitlement for anything whatsoever.
I don't really know where I'm going with this now, completely gone off at a tangent.
All I'm saying is that we need more balanced opinions.
Less of the hate
Less of the OTT win draw or lose.
I'll be there next season and the following seasons whether it's Man City, Wycombe or Southend .
Put this season to bed and stop the hate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 8:33:19 GMT
I think the criticism is proportional in this case to what the club paid for them, and is probably paying them.
If we had a team full of free transfers that were busting a gut and just not good enough, then I think the criticism would be proportional to that.
I think some of what has been said about our team is actually fair, albeit strong in nature.
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2020 8:50:47 GMT
I think the criticism is proportional in this case to what the club paid for them, and is probably paying them. If we had a team full of free transfers that were busting a gut and just not good enough, then I think the criticism would be proportional to that. I think some of what has been said about our team is actually fair, albeit strong in nature. What about the slating Thompson gets? A young lad who cost buttons. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 8:52:41 GMT
I think the criticism is proportional in this case to what the club paid for them, and is probably paying them. If we had a team full of free transfers that were busting a gut and just not good enough, then I think the criticism would be proportional to that. I think some of what has been said about our team is actually fair, albeit strong in nature. What about the slating Thompson gets? A young lad who cost buttons. Exception that proves the rule. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2020 8:56:29 GMT
What about the slating Thompson gets? A young lad who cost buttons. Exception that proves the rule. Sorrensson also criticized, Collins I think a chunk of our support have forgotten how to support and can only whinge and moan. Understandable after years of failure but people need to adjust their mindset Young players especially need support and not be dismissed as shite after a handful of games |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 16, 2020 8:58:33 GMT
Plenty of vitriol in the (bad) old days too,just wasn't the multiplicity of media outlets for expressing it back then?
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 16, 2020 9:00:57 GMT
Plenty of vitriol in the (bad) old days too,just wasn't the multiplicity of media outlets for expressing it back then? True, I did allude to that . Just seems really bad these days. As Lord says youngsters have copped for your it and Thompson. |
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Post by redstriper on Jul 16, 2020 9:08:03 GMT
It's partly down to a misplaced sense of entitlement, but also to frustration. It's understandable that people who had got used to seeing the skill level of arnie, shaq, nzonzi etc, and the tidy quality of someone like Affelay, are going to struggle to see the value of some of the current players.
Criticising the players lack of quality simply doesn't help the club or the player in any way (criticising their apparent lack of effort is slightly different). I've tried to avoid singling out players over the years for that reason.
Although i gave myself special dispensation where kenwynne jones was concerned, as he was a criminal waste of talent that could be attributed to sheer indifference and lazyness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 9:24:25 GMT
Exception that proves the rule. Sorrensson also criticized, Collins I think a chunk of our support have forgotten how to support and can only whinge and moan. Understandable after years of failure but people need to adjust their mindset Young players especially need support and not be dismissed as shite after a handful of games I think we've got to strip out what is general whinging and whining and what is proper, bona fide criticism that the OP is talking about. The original question was 'Is it just a Stoke thing'. In short, no it isn't. Most clubs have fans that have a whinge and a moan when things are going wrong, questioning the kids 'Are they all that?' etc. That's just par for the course when a team struggles. A lot of what the senior players have had thrown at them, I maintain is because of what they cost and what they've returned. I think the criticism of those is a step up from what some of the younger players have received. Thompson sat somewhere in the middle of that. I agree with you about support and the supporters here adjusting their mindset. I said it myself after we were relegated, in terms of the players we would bring in, the managers we would be linked with and where we'd ultimately finish in the league (although even I didn't think we'd struggle as much as we have). |
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Post by thanksjon on Jul 16, 2020 9:52:28 GMT
It's not just a Stoke thing but in fairness we are Champions league at it.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 16, 2020 9:55:13 GMT
I don't think it's entitlement in the sense that people think we deserve success, but more that they're contrasting the current shitness with previous shitness.
In the earlier periods of shitness it largely wasn't the club's fault.
This period of shitness is the club's fault pretty much entirely.
The money available and money used should have seen us still competing up at the top, but a litany of catastrophic errors made by the club have seen them squander everything we had.
Of course there were reasons why Nzonzi, Shaqiri and Arnatuovic went, but the dross we replaced them with may have had theoretical talent but didn't give a shit, and ultimately has led us to players who not only don't give a shit, but are devoid of that theoretical talent.
We're just getting worse and worse every season.
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Post by datguy on Jul 16, 2020 9:56:35 GMT
Every single fanbase does it.
Should've seen the Birmingham message board at 4pm last Sunday!
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Post by Goonie on Jul 16, 2020 10:09:05 GMT
Plenty of vitriol in the (bad) old days too,just wasn't the multiplicity of media outlets for expressing it back then? ....and on the terraces/pub may have also come with a smack in the gob from an objector 😁😇 |
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Post by Goonie on Jul 16, 2020 10:10:27 GMT
Every single fanbase does it. Should've seen the Birmingham message board at 4pm last Sunday! I'm sure the Hull Tigers board was a haven of polite criticism following their game against Wigan 😇 Football fans are often over-emotional arseholes at times - is why we follow it |
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 16, 2020 10:10:39 GMT
Clucas, Powell, Allen and Campbell are our best players the rest are a bit shit and inconsistent. McClean always gives 100% so worthy squad player but the rest of them are nowhere near good enough for a team hoping to get to the prem and stay there.
We have a better team out on loan.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 16, 2020 10:12:39 GMT
Every single fanbase does it. Should've seen the Birmingham message board at 4pm last Sunday! I'm sure the Hull Tigers board was a haven of polite criticism following their game against Wigan 😇 If I was the owner of Hull I would have sacked the manger at half time and taken over the second half myself. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2020 10:19:19 GMT
Exception that proves the rule. Sorrensson also criticized, Collins I think a chunk of our support have forgotten how to support and can only whinge and moan. Understandable after years of failure but people need to adjust their mindset Young players especially need support and not be dismissed as shite after a handful of games Yeah I see what you are saying and it is unfair on some of the players. But the truth is some of the more senior pros have let the whole squad down and the younger players haven't been shielded like they would if we were in a proper functioning squad. The main reason we are not a functioning squad however has very little to do with the individual players themselves. It is very much the fault of the clubs senior management who have allowed the assembly of a squad with no clear identity. Contrast the likes of Brentford with us and it shows you how even with all the cash in the world if you don't have a thought out plan you really are playing a game of hit and miss. We have been playing it ever since TP left and what we see now is the result of it. Staying up looking likely now is great but if we don't change our ways it will be more of the same next season. I am just praying MON has the acumen of the likes of a TP. Whatever we thought of TP he knew his football and how to operate in all areas of the game. If you ask me he ran the club the entire time he was here and the club, bar 3 of the Hughes years, has been pissing in the wind ever since. And the fans are not to blame for anything. Considering the dross they have had to endure I think they have actually been remarkably good. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 16, 2020 10:33:07 GMT
I think the criticism is proportional in this case to what the club paid for them, and is probably paying them. If we had a team full of free transfers that were busting a gut and just not good enough, then I think the criticism would be proportional to that. I think some of what has been said about our team is actually fair, albeit strong in nature. What about the slating Thompson gets? A young lad who cost buttons. Lee Gregory is another one - runs his absolute bollocks off - but there is a three page thread from last night slating the poor sod. The idea that Stoke fans (or any fans) are kind to a player wbo gives there all is bollocks. If you play up front for Stoke anything short of Aguero or Mane is simply unforgiveable. |
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