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Post by march4 on Jul 15, 2020 19:10:05 GMT
Only people who were worried at half time against Bolton at Wembley would be worried now We can watch Brentford hammer us now without worrying about it I was worried at 5-0. Arsenal at Hillsborough does lifelong worry.
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Post by march4 on Jul 15, 2020 19:11:25 GMT
I would be more worried if I were a Birmingham fan, dropping like a stone and away at Preston then home to Derby after tonight! Derby is their chance to get some points.
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Post by albundy on Jul 15, 2020 19:12:34 GMT
It’s not FFP penalty though, it’s for entering administration. The only way the avoid it is if the authorities buy their excuse that Covid has been the force majeur behind it. Something that really doesn’t stack up given the timings of certain events. I can’t see if being successful. ah ok, I’m sure Pete Smith mentioned it on the match commentary on Sunday or last week. Either way they’ll get docked if the get relegated but I think they won’t get docked until next season as they’re on an unbelievable run The deduction will be made this year. It would have been next year if they were in the bottom 3 without the deduction
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 19:13:39 GMT
It’s not FFP penalty though, it’s for entering administration. The only way the avoid it is if the authorities buy their excuse that Covid has been the force majeur behind it. Something that really doesn’t stack up given the timings of certain events. I can’t see if being successful. ah ok, I’m sure Pete Smith mentioned it on the match commentary on Sunday or last week. Either way they’ll get docked if the get relegated but I think they won’t get docked until next season as they’re on an unbelievable run Can only get docked points next season, if they'd finished in the bottom three this season.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 15, 2020 19:13:57 GMT
They aren’t going to get docked next season now ffs it’s either this season or not at all
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 19:16:38 GMT
They aren’t going to get docked next season now ffs it’s either this season or not at all Only if they finish 12 points clear of the bottom three places ....otherwise they’ve had no punishment It’s another safety net for us tbh
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 15, 2020 19:16:58 GMT
How easy is the Wigan deduction to understand yet loads still haven't fathomed it
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 19:17:41 GMT
How easy is the Wigan deduction to understand yet loads still haven't fathomed it It’s amazing isn’t it
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 15, 2020 19:18:54 GMT
How easy is the Wigan deduction to understand yet loads still haven't fathomed it It’s embarrassing isn’t it You explained it perfectly last week. Others me included have tried and failed.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 15, 2020 19:19:28 GMT
I actually thought that they would get the points deduction this season if it had a bearing on relegation (I.e if it meant relegation) If it didn’t then they keep there original points and start next season on minus 12
Could be wrong though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 19:21:39 GMT
I actually thought that they would get the points deduction this season if it had a bearing on relegation (I.e if it meant relegation) If it didn’t then they keep there original points and start next season on minus 12 Could be wrong though "If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate." www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/I think that clears up any grey areas.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 19:22:39 GMT
I actually thought that they would get the points deduction this season if it had a bearing on relegation (I.e if it meant relegation) If it didn’t then they keep there original points and start next season on minus 12 Could be wrong though No. The only way that Wigan could ever start next season with a 12 point deduction, is they had finished in the bottom three this season. There is no circumstances in which Wigan could have started next season in the Championship with a 12 point deduction. None.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 15, 2020 19:24:23 GMT
I actually thought that they would get the points deduction this season if it had a bearing on relegation (I.e if it meant relegation) If it didn’t then they keep there original points and start next season on minus 12 Could be wrong though No. The only way that Wigan could ever start next season with a 12 point deduction, is they had finished in the bottom three this season. There is no circumstances in which Wigan could have started next season in the Championship with a 12 point deduction. None. fair enough. Cheers for that Not really much of a punishment though
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 15, 2020 19:25:26 GMT
I actually thought that they would get the points deduction this season if it had a bearing on relegation (I.e if it meant relegation) If it didn’t then they keep there original points and start next season on minus 12 Could be wrong though "If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate." www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/I think that clears up any grey areas. well that’s a bit of a bummer.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 19:26:46 GMT
No. The only way that Wigan could ever start next season with a 12 point deduction, is they had finished in the bottom three this season. There is no circumstances in which Wigan could have started next season in the Championship with a 12 point deduction. None. fair enough. Cheers for that Not really much of a punishment though Absolutely mate, it's completely illogical. Any sensible person would assume it would be exactly as you described. But it isn't. It's a nonsense.
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Post by sifta on Jul 15, 2020 19:28:21 GMT
ah ok, I’m sure Pete Smith mentioned it on the match commentary on Sunday or last week. Either way they’ll get docked if the get relegated but I think they won’t get docked until next season as they’re on an unbelievable run Can only get docked points next season, if they'd finished in the bottom three this season. No,
They get docked if they finish in the bottom 3 this season, OR they finish safe this season and even -12 points will still not change that.
Edit, sorry, I was obviously wrong. Apologies, now I've read that link
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
Can only get docked points next season, if they'd finished in the bottom three this season. No,
They get docked if they finish in the bottom 3 this season, OR they finish safe this season and even -12 points will still not change that.
Don't know what you're trying to say there mate but what I said is absolutely correct, so I'm not sure why your post starts with "no".
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Post by sifta on Jul 15, 2020 19:30:26 GMT
No,
They get docked if they finish in the bottom 3 this season, OR they finish safe this season and even -12 points will still not change that.
Don't know what you're trying to say there mate but what I said is absolutely correct, so I'm not sure why your post starts with "no". Yes, edited original reply
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Post by Afrojack on Jul 15, 2020 19:31:50 GMT
Hope the appeal drags on to the point they get them docked next season. That would be hilarious and serves them right for appealing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
Can only get docked points next season, if they'd finished in the bottom three this season. No, They get docked if they finish in the bottom 3 this season, OR they finish safe this season and even -12 points will still not change that. Edit, sorry, I was obviously wrong. Apologies, now I've read that link
Makes no sense. It is: - if Wigan finish in the bottom 3 (which they can’t), they’re docked next season. - or if Wigan finish 21st or above, they’re docked this season. I.e. they’ll be docked this season. What don’t people understand?
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Post by bromleystoke on Jul 15, 2020 19:33:04 GMT
This cloud takes me back to those dark days, up in Stenny. Lest we forget Stenhousemuir.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 15, 2020 19:36:44 GMT
No, They get docked if they finish in the bottom 3 this season, OR they finish safe this season and even -12 points will still not change that. Edit, sorry, I was obviously wrong. Apologies, now I've read that link
Makes no sense. It is: - if Wigan finish in the bottom 3 (which they can’t), they’re docked next season. - or if Wigan finish 21st or above, they’re docked this season. I.e. they’ll be docked this season. What don’t people understand? I'm flabbergasted that it's been explained about 7 trillion times and people still get it wrong! We need your post pinned or something, it's clear as day.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 15, 2020 19:42:37 GMT
No. The only way that Wigan could ever start next season with a 12 point deduction, is they had finished in the bottom three this season. There is no circumstances in which Wigan could have started next season in the Championship with a 12 point deduction. None. fair enough. Cheers for that Not really much of a punishment though Well, it is, if you apply the minus 12. It put them in a position where they were going down. 5 points adrift in fact, now, they’re level I think. They are way clear of the relegation zone but can still go down. Struggling to understand what is so hard to understand.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 15, 2020 19:43:32 GMT
Only people who were worried at half time against Bolton at Wembley would be worried now We can watch Brentford hammer us now without worrying about it I was worried vs Bolton
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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2020 19:44:11 GMT
Only people who were worried at half time against Bolton at Wembley would be worried now We can watch Brentford hammer us now without worrying about it I was worried at 5-0. Arsenal at Hillsborough does lifelong worry. If that's true I feel really sorry for you If you couldn't enjoy that game then there can't be any game you enjoy
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 15, 2020 19:46:40 GMT
fair enough. Cheers for that Not really much of a punishment though Well, it is, if you apply the minus 12. It put them in a position where they were going down. 5 points adrift in fact, now, they’re level I think. They are way clear of the relegation zone but can still go down. Struggling to understand what is so hard to understand. i didn’t understand it until Paul explained it. Now I do
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 15, 2020 20:00:40 GMT
Because only one of Luton and Hull can finish above us, assuming Barnsley don’t win all 3 we are safe on Saturday if:any one of the following happen: 1.Charlton beat Wigan or draw, provided Wigan are deducted 12 points. If Wigan win Charlton could still pip us on goal difference. 2 Luton/Hull is a draw 3. We draw with Brentford
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Post by Goonie on Jul 15, 2020 20:01:54 GMT
There have been some absolutely abject performances along the way but to think, with 2 games to go, we'd be in this position when MON took over is bordering on fantasy football
I'm quite positive for next season
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 15, 2020 20:03:30 GMT
Because only one of Luton and Hull can finish above us, assuming Barnsley don’t win all 3 we are safe on Saturday if:any one of the following happen: 1.Charlton beat Wigan or draw, provided Wigan are deducted 12 points. If Wigan win Charlton could still pip us on goal difference. 2 Luton/Hull is a draw 3. We draw with Brentford If Wigan beat Charlton 20-0 I’d be comfortable that they couldn’t pip us on goal difference.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 15, 2020 20:07:30 GMT
Wigan cannot finish in the bottom three on points this season as they already have too many points for that so the 12 point deduction is imposed this season. They escape bottom three after the deduction only if they win all their games. Barnsley can't catch us. Hull and Luton play each other so two of Barnsley, Luton and Hull will be relegated. Leeds who play bottom teams need to win to guarantee promotion particularly if the want to finish as champions.
We are as mathematically safe as is possible. Tomorrow nights game may well settle things
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