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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 15, 2020 19:22:16 GMT
Who was it against this season when Butland rushed out and booted it against one of our players before falling to their striker for a tap in?
Maybe that's the difference, a little bit of luck.
I thought Davies did well. I know people think his drop from the corner was a mistake but I actually thought that was decent keeping - was strong enough to come through a ruck of players and dealt with it. But I imagine Jack may well have got stick for it - possibly because we expect more from Jack because of how good he was (& can be again).
I thought we won a few more headers than usual from his kicks, but not sure if that was because Vokes and Gregory were the ones going for them.
2 games, 4 points - that'll do for me.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 15, 2020 19:23:39 GMT
I used to be so proud Butland was a Stoke player in an England shirt. He'd struggle get in the Gibraltar squad now It's quite sad really but I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper. He can't even do the most basic things right any more and is a complete liability. I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc. I suspect it's affecting him more than he's letting on and he might be hiding how bad it's affecting him to try and protect his career and he's hoping he can play through it and play his way back into form. Mental issues could be affecting him too and probably are but it's just the way that so many shots are easily going past him that makes me think it's physical. That second goal Middlesbrough scored is a perfect example for me. On it's own not a glaring rickett but he just didn't seem to react to it and there's absolutely no way that would have got past him in 2014-16. I think that's a 6 or 7 times out of 10 save for most keepers. Nah - just needs a new club and an arm around him - hopefully wont go the full Joe Hart.....
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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2020 19:24:08 GMT
Who was it against this season when Butland rushed out and booted it against one of our players before falling to their striker for a tap in? Maybe that's the difference, a little bit of luck. I thought Davies did well. I know people think his drop from the corner was a mistake but I actually thought that was decent keeping - was strong enough to come through a ruck of players and dealt with it. But I imagine Jack may well have got stick for it - possibly because we expect more from Jack because of how good he was (& can be again). I thought we won a few more headers than usual from his kicks, but not sure if that was because Vokes and Gregory were the ones going for them. 2 games, 4 points - that'll do for me. Wigan at home
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2020 20:00:46 GMT
We looked fragile. The centre halves were all over the shop and Davies does the Hokey Cokey with crosses. All 3 need replacing. The Hokey Cokey on crosses. PMSL Can't get the bloody song out of me bloody head now you bugger!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 15, 2020 20:13:44 GMT
It's quite sad really but I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper. He can't even do the most basic things right any more and is a complete liability. I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc. I suspect it's affecting him more than he's letting on and he might be hiding how bad it's affecting him to try and protect his career and he's hoping he can play through it and play his way back into form. Mental issues could be affecting him too and probably are but it's just the way that so many shots are easily going past him that makes me think it's physical. That second goal Middlesbrough scored is a perfect example for me. On it's own not a glaring rickett but he just didn't seem to react to it and there's absolutely no way that would have got past him in 2014-16. I think that's a 6 or 7 times out of 10 save for most keepers. Nah - just needs a new club and an arm around him - hopefully wont go the full Joe Hart..... I'd say he's already gone further than Joe Hart. At least Hart was over 30. Butland's decline has been mesmerising and I'd honestly say that this season he's probably been the worst goalkeeper in the football league.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 15, 2020 21:01:40 GMT
Who was it against this season when Butland rushed out and booted it against one of our players before falling to their striker for a tap in? Maybe that's the difference, a little bit of luck. I thought Davies did well. I know people think his drop from the corner was a mistake but I actually thought that was decent keeping - was strong enough to come through a ruck of players and dealt with it. But I imagine Jack may well have got stick for it - possibly because we expect more from Jack because of how good he was (& can be again). I thought we won a few more headers than usual from his kicks, but not sure if that was because Vokes and Gregory were the ones going for them. 2 games, 4 points - that'll do for me. Wigan at home I thought it was QPR So many mistakes I have lost track.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 15, 2020 21:14:46 GMT
I'm glad the kicks go straight down the pitch rather than skewing out for a throw in. It's easier to win headers if the ball goes near to a player's head.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 15, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
Having a real goalkeeper could be the most noticeable difference next season, bring Allen back in and we certainly won’t be worrying about relegation with 3 games left Well done MON, think that’s us almost on the beach now Don’t get carried away mate, our defence is absolutely gash, has been all season and no different now. At least 50% of that defence if not all needs replacing if we’re too challenge next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 21:55:30 GMT
I used to be so proud Butland was a Stoke player in an England shirt. He'd struggle get in the Gibraltar squad now It's quite sad really but I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper. He can't even do the most basic things right any more and is a complete liability. I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc. I suspect it's affecting him more than he's letting on and he might be hiding how bad it's affecting him to try and protect his career and he's hoping he can play through it and play his way back into form. Mental issues could be affecting him too and probably are but it's just the way that so many shots are easily going past him that makes me think it's physical. That second goal Middlesbrough scored is a perfect example for me. On it's own not a glaring rickett but he just didn't seem to react to it and there's absolutely no way that would have got past him in 2014-16. I think that's a 6 or 7 times out of 10 save for most keepers. I've read some utter fucking dross in the last 20 years but this is right up there. In fact it's top.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 15, 2020 22:17:19 GMT
I thought it was QPR So many mistakes I have lost track. I thought it was at Leeds in the League Cup 27.8.2019. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49403080Butland had previously allowed Leeds back into the game after striking a goal-kick against his own defender, allowing on-loan Arsenal striker Eddie Nketiah to halve a 2-0 deficit created by Danny Batth and Sam Vokes' quick-fire goals at the end of the first-halfI thought Davies was OK but not outstanding. I thought the back line were rubbish this evening particularly "unable to mark" Chester and "unable to kick a ball to a Stoke player" Smith.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 15, 2020 22:20:34 GMT
I thought it was QPR So many mistakes I have lost track. I thought it was at Leeds in the League Cup 27.8.2019. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49403080Butland had previously allowed Leeds back into the game after striking a goal-kick against his own defender, allowing on-loan Arsenal striker Eddie Nketiah to halve a 2-0 deficit created by Danny Batth and Sam Vokes' quick-fire goals at the end of the first-halfI thought Davies was OK but not outstanding. I thought the back line were rubbish this evening particularly "unable to mark" Chester and "unable to kick a ball to a Stoke player" Smith. When I posted it I thought it was Derby but then thought it might have been last year - I'd forgot about Wigan.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 16, 2020 0:00:01 GMT
It's quite sad really but I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper. He can't even do the most basic things right any more and is a complete liability. I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc. I suspect it's affecting him more than he's letting on and he might be hiding how bad it's affecting him to try and protect his career and he's hoping he can play through it and play his way back into form. Mental issues could be affecting him too and probably are but it's just the way that so many shots are easily going past him that makes me think it's physical. That second goal Middlesbrough scored is a perfect example for me. On it's own not a glaring rickett but he just didn't seem to react to it and there's absolutely no way that would have got past him in 2014-16. I think that's a 6 or 7 times out of 10 save for most keepers. I've read some utter fucking dross in the last 20 years but this is right up there. In fact it's top. Counter it then, why is it dross? I might be wrong, I'm just offering an opinion which might explain why his form has taken such a dramatic downturn ever since his injury. Maybe I'm going a bit too far with saying that I fear he's no longer able to compete at the required standard for professional football but do you think I'm completely wrong in my opinion that permanent injury might be hampering him? Do you simply think that his form hasn't been that bad and he's just been dreadfully let down by his defence? The last point is definitely true in a fashion. Much of our defending since his return has been dreadful and even a goalkeeper on top form would struggle behind it, there's no doubting that. But the stats percentage for shots on target to goals conceded this season is just absolutely dreadful and it simply can't just be the fault of the defence on its own. You just have to see some of the goals he's let in, for a keeper who was once as good as Butland was in 2014-2016 they have been very poor and even for a goalkeeper who had never been at that standard they'd be very disappointed with many of them. And then there are the other factors like his command of his area and reluctance to come out for crosses, poor decision making, dreadful kicking, 18 consecutive penalties conceded when most keepers save one in 4 or 5 etc. For me, a lot of it has the hallmarks of someone who's being hampered by an injury. So what's your opinion then, do you think Butland's performances have regularly been of an acceptable standard over the past 3 seasons and particularly this season? If so, why do you think so and what do you think makes my opinion of his performances so wrong? I'm open to debate and criticism, I'm offering my opinion and this is a football forum that should be all about offering opinions and agreeing and disagreeing with people and giving reasons for why. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and like most people I will sometimes be wrong and sometimes extremely wrong. But I don't like having my opinions described as utter dross without any discussion as to why you think that and what is so wrong with what I'm saying.
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Post by britvic72 on Jul 16, 2020 2:50:08 GMT
I think one of the reasons they had less chances was how quick he anticipates and comes off his line. Butland wouldn’t come that far out and we end up in trouble or conceding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 6:54:41 GMT
I think one of the reasons they had less chances was how quick he anticipates and comes off his line. Butland wouldn’t come that far out and we end up in trouble or conceding. Totally agree. Top goalkeepers are like a sweeper these days. They are so quick off there line and anticipate danger. I’m not saying we have a world class keeper on our hands but he’s doing the basics very well at the minute
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Post by britvic72 on Jul 16, 2020 7:14:10 GMT
I think one of the reasons they had less chances was how quick he anticipates and comes off his line. Butland wouldn’t come that far out and we end up in trouble or conceding. Totally agree. Top goalkeepers are like a sweeper these days. They are so quick off there line and anticipate danger. I’m not saying we have a world class keeper on our hands but he’s doing the basics very well at the minute I agree. Watching the game I commented to mates on a few occasions that commanding his box so well helped the defence no end with situations Butland would of had to save and when he doesn’t save them he berates the defence!
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Post by bolders on Jul 16, 2020 7:49:36 GMT
Still need a Left back and a centre back, Chester is not answer need someone abit quicker on the turn
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 0:55:39 GMT
I've read some utter fucking dross in the last 20 years but this is right up there. In fact it's top. Counter it then, why is it dross? I might be wrong, I'm just offering an opinion which might explain why his form has taken such a dramatic downturn ever since his injury. Maybe I'm going a bit too far with saying that I fear he's no longer able to compete at the required standard for professional football but do you think I'm completely wrong in my opinion that permanent injury might be hampering him? Do you simply think that his form hasn't been that bad and he's just been dreadfully let down by his defence? The last point is definitely true in a fashion. Much of our defending since his return has been dreadful and even a goalkeeper on top form would struggle behind it, there's no doubting that. But the stats percentage for shots on target to goals conceded this season is just absolutely dreadful and it simply can't just be the fault of the defence on its own. You just have to see some of the goals he's let in, for a keeper who was once as good as Butland was in 2014-2016 they have been very poor and even for a goalkeeper who had never been at that standard they'd be very disappointed with many of them. And then there are the other factors like his command of his area and reluctance to come out for crosses, poor decision making, dreadful kicking, 18 consecutive penalties conceded when most keepers save one in 4 or 5 etc. For me, a lot of it has the hallmarks of someone who's being hampered by an injury. So what's your opinion then, do you think Butland's performances have regularly been of an acceptable standard over the past 3 seasons and particularly this season? If so, why do you think so and what do you think makes my opinion of his performances so wrong? I'm open to debate and criticism, I'm offering my opinion and this is a football forum that should be all about offering opinions and agreeing and disagreeing with people and giving reasons for why. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and like most people I will sometimes be wrong and sometimes extremely wrong. But I don't like having my opinions described as utter dross without any discussion as to why you think that and what is so wrong with what I'm saying. Well as you have asked so nicely let's go through it: 1. "I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper." Quite clearly he isn't. This is the mainstay behind the utter dross comment. 2. "He can't even do the most basic things right any more." Hes made mistakes. But for every mistake I'd say there were 100 basic things he does right. So again utter dross. 3. "Is a complete liability." He really isn't. Hes having/had a torrid time. No worse than BMI, for example, though. BMI was an 8 million pound centre half with a World Cup semi final and Champions Leagues appearances under his belt. In totality hes made more basic errors than Butland (often not as harshly punished by the opposition) yet BMI gets no where near the dross spouted about him. 4. "I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc." As an example against he made a wonderful full stretch save against Wigan and also made a great One on one save early on. Theres no injury difficulties. Confidence is affecting him. Simple. The first real clanger of note for him in his Stoke career was Leicester away. Now prior to this he had made dozens of superb saves. It was a bad moment for him though as that, along with mistakes by others, cost us PL safety. In a short period of time hed gone from England no 1 to sitting behind a defence that shipped goals and he now a Championship keeper. Credit to him though he stayed. He could have fucked off but chose not too. He probably wished he had. His spell under Rowett wasn't too bad. I cant honestly recall any major errors. Certainly defensively under Rowett we were better albeit on the end of some bad results. This season for him has been awful though. Numerous high profile errors. Preston, Forest, Wigan etc. Dropped from England squad, lost him place in the 1st team etc. He did have a great game against West Brom though. I honestly think he just needs to get his head around where he is and go back to basics. But anyway, All this is why your post was utter dross.
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Post by superalexneil on Jul 17, 2020 5:33:07 GMT
Counter it then, why is it dross? I might be wrong, I'm just offering an opinion which might explain why his form has taken such a dramatic downturn ever since his injury. Maybe I'm going a bit too far with saying that I fear he's no longer able to compete at the required standard for professional football but do you think I'm completely wrong in my opinion that permanent injury might be hampering him? Do you simply think that his form hasn't been that bad and he's just been dreadfully let down by his defence? The last point is definitely true in a fashion. Much of our defending since his return has been dreadful and even a goalkeeper on top form would struggle behind it, there's no doubting that. But the stats percentage for shots on target to goals conceded this season is just absolutely dreadful and it simply can't just be the fault of the defence on its own. You just have to see some of the goals he's let in, for a keeper who was once as good as Butland was in 2014-2016 they have been very poor and even for a goalkeeper who had never been at that standard they'd be very disappointed with many of them. And then there are the other factors like his command of his area and reluctance to come out for crosses, poor decision making, dreadful kicking, 18 consecutive penalties conceded when most keepers save one in 4 or 5 etc. For me, a lot of it has the hallmarks of someone who's being hampered by an injury. So what's your opinion then, do you think Butland's performances have regularly been of an acceptable standard over the past 3 seasons and particularly this season? If so, why do you think so and what do you think makes my opinion of his performances so wrong? I'm open to debate and criticism, I'm offering my opinion and this is a football forum that should be all about offering opinions and agreeing and disagreeing with people and giving reasons for why. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and like most people I will sometimes be wrong and sometimes extremely wrong. But I don't like having my opinions described as utter dross without any discussion as to why you think that and what is so wrong with what I'm saying. Well as you have asked so nicely let's go through it: 1. "I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper." Quite clearly he isn't. This is the mainstay behind the utter dross comment. 2. "He can't even do the most basic things right any more." Hes made mistakes. But for every mistake I'd say there were 100 basic things he does right. So again utter dross. 3. "Is a complete liability." He really isn't. Hes having/had a torrid time. No worse than BMI, for example, though. BMI was an 8 million pound centre half with a World Cup semi final and Champions Leagues appearances under his belt. In totality hes made more basic errors than Butland (often not as harshly punished by the opposition) yet BMI gets no where near the dross spouted about him. 4. "I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc." As an example against he made a wonderful full stretch save against Wigan and also made a great One on one save early on. Theres no injury difficulties. Confidence is affecting him. Simple. The first real clanger of note for him in his Stoke career was Leicester away. Now prior to this he had made dozens of superb saves. It was a bad moment for him though as that, along with mistakes by others, cost us PL safety. In a short period of time hed gone from England no 1 to sitting behind a defence that shipped goals and he now a Championship keeper. Credit to him though he stayed. He could have fucked off but chose not too. He probably wished he had. His spell under Rowett wasn't too bad. I cant honestly recall any major errors. Certainly defensively under Rowett we were better albeit on the end of some bad results. This season for him has been awful though. Numerous high profile errors. Preston, Forest, Wigan etc. Dropped from England squad, lost him place in the 1st team etc. He did have a great game against West Brom though. I honestly think he just needs to get his head around where he is and go back to basics. But anyway, All this is why your post was utter dross. Infact id say your post is dross. Everything muel said is bang on for me. Butland is done, get rid in the summer hes useless!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 17, 2020 6:01:52 GMT
Jack will be gone in the summer, probably to Burnley.
Pope will go to Chelsea and butland will go to Burnley as his replacement.
He needs a move and we need rid of him. It's best for both parties.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 17, 2020 6:16:59 GMT
Jack will be gone in the summer, probably to Burnley. Pope will go to Chelsea and butland will go to Burnley as his replacement. He needs a move and we need rid of him. It's best for both parties. No way is Butland going to Burnley. He’s closer to Burton than a PL team
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 17, 2020 6:49:19 GMT
Counter it then, why is it dross? I might be wrong, I'm just offering an opinion which might explain why his form has taken such a dramatic downturn ever since his injury. Maybe I'm going a bit too far with saying that I fear he's no longer able to compete at the required standard for professional football but do you think I'm completely wrong in my opinion that permanent injury might be hampering him? Do you simply think that his form hasn't been that bad and he's just been dreadfully let down by his defence? The last point is definitely true in a fashion. Much of our defending since his return has been dreadful and even a goalkeeper on top form would struggle behind it, there's no doubting that. But the stats percentage for shots on target to goals conceded this season is just absolutely dreadful and it simply can't just be the fault of the defence on its own. You just have to see some of the goals he's let in, for a keeper who was once as good as Butland was in 2014-2016 they have been very poor and even for a goalkeeper who had never been at that standard they'd be very disappointed with many of them. And then there are the other factors like his command of his area and reluctance to come out for crosses, poor decision making, dreadful kicking, 18 consecutive penalties conceded when most keepers save one in 4 or 5 etc. For me, a lot of it has the hallmarks of someone who's being hampered by an injury. So what's your opinion then, do you think Butland's performances have regularly been of an acceptable standard over the past 3 seasons and particularly this season? If so, why do you think so and what do you think makes my opinion of his performances so wrong? I'm open to debate and criticism, I'm offering my opinion and this is a football forum that should be all about offering opinions and agreeing and disagreeing with people and giving reasons for why. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and like most people I will sometimes be wrong and sometimes extremely wrong. But I don't like having my opinions described as utter dross without any discussion as to why you think that and what is so wrong with what I'm saying. Well as you have asked so nicely let's go through it: 1. "I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper." Quite clearly he isn't. This is the mainstay behind the utter dross comment. 2. "He can't even do the most basic things right any more." Hes made mistakes. But for every mistake I'd say there were 100 basic things he does right. So again utter dross. 3. "Is a complete liability." He really isn't. Hes having/had a torrid time. No worse than BMI, for example, though. BMI was an 8 million pound centre half with a World Cup semi final and Champions Leagues appearances under his belt. In totality hes made more basic errors than Butland (often not as harshly punished by the opposition) yet BMI gets no where near the dross spouted about him. 4. "I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc." As an example against he made a wonderful full stretch save against Wigan and also made a great One on one save early on. Theres no injury difficulties. Confidence is affecting him. Simple. The first real clanger of note for him in his Stoke career was Leicester away. Now prior to this he had made dozens of superb saves. It was a bad moment for him though as that, along with mistakes by others, cost us PL safety. In a short period of time hed gone from England no 1 to sitting behind a defence that shipped goals and he now a Championship keeper. Credit to him though he stayed. He could have fucked off but chose not too. He probably wished he had. His spell under Rowett wasn't too bad. I cant honestly recall any major errors. Certainly defensively under Rowett we were better albeit on the end of some bad results. This season for him has been awful though. Numerous high profile errors. Preston, Forest, Wigan etc. Dropped from England squad, lost him place in the 1st team etc. He did have a great game against West Brom though. I honestly think he just needs to get his head around where he is and go back to basics. But anyway, All this is why your post was utter dross. He could have gone to where, ???
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 17, 2020 7:12:07 GMT
Jack will be gone in the summer, probably to Burnley. Pope will go to Chelsea and butland will go to Burnley as his replacement. He needs a move and we need rid of him. It's best for both parties. No way is Butland going to Burnley. He’s closer to Burton than a PL team Time will tell. Let's revisit when he leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 7:13:28 GMT
Jack will be gone in the summer, probably to Burnley. Pope will go to Chelsea and butland will go to Burnley as his replacement. He needs a move and we need rid of him. It's best for both parties. That would be an excellent move for Jack. Good club and a good manager to go and play for.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 17, 2020 7:14:22 GMT
Jack will be gone in the summer, probably to Burnley. Pope will go to Chelsea and butland will go to Burnley as his replacement. He needs a move and we need rid of him. It's best for both parties. That would be an excellent move for Jack. Good club and a good manager to go and play for. He'll get a free bed for his bad neck and back as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 7:15:18 GMT
That would be an excellent move for Jack. Good club and a good manager to go and play for. He'll get a free bed for his bad neck and back as well Lol, I did wonder. 😁
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 17, 2020 7:43:23 GMT
I thought it was QPR So many mistakes I have lost track. I thought it was at Leeds in the League Cup 27.8.2019. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49403080Butland had previously allowed Leeds back into the game after striking a goal-kick against his own defender, allowing on-loan Arsenal striker Eddie Nketiah to halve a 2-0 deficit created by Danny Batth and Sam Vokes' quick-fire goals at the end of the first-halfI thought Davies was OK but not outstanding. I thought the back line were rubbish this evening particularly "unable to mark" Chester and "unable to kick a ball to a Stoke player" Smith. Smith is blowing hot and cold,but I think fatigue has a lot to do with it.Is Edwards injured? or has his stock declined to the extent where he can't even get on the bench.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 17, 2020 8:32:15 GMT
Butland's errors have cost us more than a dozen points this season. Davies is nowhere near as good as Butland at his best but if he had replaced Butland at the start of the season we would not have been threatened with relegation.
Butland has only played this season either to maintain the value of an asset or out of sentiment - in terms of form he should have never been anywhere near the first team. If it was any other goalie he would have hardly made the bench all season.
I've nothing against Butand - seems like a good lad - but I really hope Davies retains his place for the rest of the season and Butland finds another club to resurrect his career.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 8:49:42 GMT
Well as you have asked so nicely let's go through it: 1. "I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper." Quite clearly he isn't. This is the mainstay behind the utter dross comment. 2. "He can't even do the most basic things right any more." Hes made mistakes. But for every mistake I'd say there were 100 basic things he does right. So again utter dross. 3. "Is a complete liability." He really isn't. Hes having/had a torrid time. No worse than BMI, for example, though. BMI was an 8 million pound centre half with a World Cup semi final and Champions Leagues appearances under his belt. In totality hes made more basic errors than Butland (often not as harshly punished by the opposition) yet BMI gets no where near the dross spouted about him. 4. "I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc." As an example against he made a wonderful full stretch save against Wigan and also made a great One on one save early on. Theres no injury difficulties. Confidence is affecting him. Simple. The first real clanger of note for him in his Stoke career was Leicester away. Now prior to this he had made dozens of superb saves. It was a bad moment for him though as that, along with mistakes by others, cost us PL safety. In a short period of time hed gone from England no 1 to sitting behind a defence that shipped goals and he now a Championship keeper. Credit to him though he stayed. He could have fucked off but chose not too. He probably wished he had. His spell under Rowett wasn't too bad. I cant honestly recall any major errors. Certainly defensively under Rowett we were better albeit on the end of some bad results. This season for him has been awful though. Numerous high profile errors. Preston, Forest, Wigan etc. Dropped from England squad, lost him place in the 1st team etc. He did have a great game against West Brom though. I honestly think he just needs to get his head around where he is and go back to basics. But anyway, All this is why your post was utter dross. Infact id say your post is dross. Everything muel said is bang on for me. Butland is done, get rid in the summer hes useless!! Who the fuck is muel? You are a special kind of special arent you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 8:51:44 GMT
Well as you have asked so nicely let's go through it: 1. "I fear he's finished as a professional goalkeeper." Quite clearly he isn't. This is the mainstay behind the utter dross comment. 2. "He can't even do the most basic things right any more." Hes made mistakes. But for every mistake I'd say there were 100 basic things he does right. So again utter dross. 3. "Is a complete liability." He really isn't. Hes having/had a torrid time. No worse than BMI, for example, though. BMI was an 8 million pound centre half with a World Cup semi final and Champions Leagues appearances under his belt. In totality hes made more basic errors than Butland (often not as harshly punished by the opposition) yet BMI gets no where near the dross spouted about him. 4. "I have a feeling that his injury has completely hobbled him and it's affecting his movement, agility, spring etc." As an example against he made a wonderful full stretch save against Wigan and also made a great One on one save early on. Theres no injury difficulties. Confidence is affecting him. Simple. The first real clanger of note for him in his Stoke career was Leicester away. Now prior to this he had made dozens of superb saves. It was a bad moment for him though as that, along with mistakes by others, cost us PL safety. In a short period of time hed gone from England no 1 to sitting behind a defence that shipped goals and he now a Championship keeper. Credit to him though he stayed. He could have fucked off but chose not too. He probably wished he had. His spell under Rowett wasn't too bad. I cant honestly recall any major errors. Certainly defensively under Rowett we were better albeit on the end of some bad results. This season for him has been awful though. Numerous high profile errors. Preston, Forest, Wigan etc. Dropped from England squad, lost him place in the 1st team etc. He did have a great game against West Brom though. I honestly think he just needs to get his head around where he is and go back to basics. But anyway, All this is why your post was utter dross. He could have gone to where, ??? He had what he called sideways opportunities from lower PL teams like Newcastle, West Ham and Wolves and turned them down
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 18, 2020 1:32:23 GMT
He could have gone to where, ??? He had what he called sideways opportunities from lower PL teams like Newcastle, West Ham and Wolves and turned them down No he didn't
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