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Post by ursemboys on Jul 13, 2020 18:20:32 GMT
I mean the amount of shit he gets I think hes entitled to have a bit of a joke....which is exactly what the balaclava history lesson post was. Not the greatest example of a joke though, dressing like a terrorist teaching his daughter history, if a muslim player had dressed as a jihadist and posted the exact same picture there would be uproar. he had a balaclava on he wasn't really dressed has a terrorist was he, now you feel the need to drag the muslim into it which to be honest I find a bit strange to back up your agenda.
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Post by Tosh on Jul 13, 2020 18:23:04 GMT
I am just stating the obvious, dont cry about being targeted then post a picture that a lot of people will find offensive. As i said before, he doesnt help himself. I am fully against any type of abuse and agree with him that what hes recieved is awful, but its a 2 way street. But you felt the need to bring up the history blah blah instead of just leaving it. The whole point of Mccleans post was based on a history of abuse, should he of just left it because its in the past? Or just me?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 13, 2020 18:25:03 GMT
He's been one of our best players this season lol.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 18:56:49 GMT
he had a balaclava on he wasn't really dressed has a terrorist was he, Yes, quite clearly yes.
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Post by markby on Jul 13, 2020 18:59:29 GMT
Does he have a point? Yes, but in this instance it's the wrong one. McClean gets pelters for what he says and does. Much of this is unfair, indeed disgraceful, and even if you disagree with his stance, he doesn't deserve to be abused as he is. But the likes of McGoldrick and Zaha are getting abused for what they are i.e. black, not what they do or say. So McClean would only have a complaint in this regard were he getting abuse for being Irish and he's not. Which is why eg his fellow Irish players haven't been defending him. Then again, as a former teammate pointed out:
"I also knew he was easily led, lacked judgement and was constantly trying to impress people.
At Sunderland, he once bought at Lamborghini, without even having his driving test! Manager Martin O'Neill ordered him to return it."
Not the sharpest tool in the box is our Jamesie...
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 13, 2020 19:07:33 GMT
he had a balaclava on he wasn't really dressed has a terrorist was he, Yes, quite clearly yes. I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 13, 2020 19:08:13 GMT
He's been one of our best players this season lol. He has been one of our best players which is why we have been in or just above a relegation position all season. The world loves a trier and James gives 100%, but at the end of the day he is not the quality that would get us promoted.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 13, 2020 19:10:22 GMT
Well done Heisenberg you have managed to turn a good thread into a stupid debate about the rights or wrongs of James McClean.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 19:12:57 GMT
I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost. So you think it was all just a mysterious coincidence that the known Irish Republican who has shared IRA quptes and who was giving a lesson on Northern Irish history just happened to be wearing his everyday, around-the-house attire of a fucking balaclava? Jesus bloody Christ.
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Post by markby on Jul 13, 2020 19:14:04 GMT
I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost. He didn't need a uniform and rifle for the imagery to be unmistakeable.
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Post by Tosh on Jul 13, 2020 19:27:15 GMT
I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost. I have not come across a valid point in any of your arguments. Here we have a bloke who is complaining about the abuse he gets for not wearing a poppy, saying he does not support the IRA, but does not agree with what the poppy stands for, as he is fully entiltled to do so, then he posts a picture, clearly dressed as an IRA member (dont try and say otherwise, thats what he is dressed as) teaching 'history' to his daughter, a bit hypocritical in my honest opinion. You dont see any issue with that, but find an issue with me having an issue! I didnt abuse him even though i didnt agree with what he did. I used the Muslim example the same as i could of used a nazi example. My mrs is german, would it be ok for her to dress as hitler and teach my 4 year old 'history'? It is offensive to me, and probably millions more, sorry for being offended by something that doesnt offend you. Either you are on a wind up, or your beliefs are far apart from mine, which you are welcome to, and you are entitled to.
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Post by Tosh on Jul 13, 2020 19:28:30 GMT
Well done Heisenberg you have managed to turn a good thread into a stupid debate about the rights or wrongs of James McClean. You are most welcome
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 19:29:37 GMT
It won’t be long before the Pig’s Head hidden in the locker raises it’s head(see what I’ve done there) as an example of Stoke City’s failure to control racist behaviour. In the mid 80’s I spent several weeks in Ballymena- to be a Catholic there was the equivalent of being a Negro in 1920’s Tulsa- yes it was that bad. 14 years fella. Was madness
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
You're aren't really saying that because someone was born black they shouldnt have to tolerate abuse whereas an Irish Catholic should to an extent because that's what they chose? I didn't realise he got abuse for being Irish or Catholic. No one should be abused because of their race, nationality or religious belief. He did from Alex Neill actually
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 19:33:24 GMT
I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost. So you think it was all just a mysterious coincidence that the known Irish Republican who has shared IRA quptes and who was giving a lesson on Northern Irish history just happened to be wearing his everyday, around-the-house attire of a fucking balaclava? Jesus bloody Christ. What IRA quotes? Just because the BBC blacked out a lot of the troubles doesn't mean it didn't happen and do we really need to drag this up again because of one fool ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 13, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
McClean gets unwarranted dogs abuse but Christ he could be a bit more savvy with his (social) media utterances.
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Post by stokie223 on Jul 13, 2020 19:56:37 GMT
I find 'he's been one of our best players this season' and incredibly odd argument considering we've got the most expensive squad ever assembled in the championship and yet we're kicking around at the arse end of the league with 3 games left to play. We don't have a player of the season - it's been a car crash. We will either narrowly miss relegation, or get relegated. That's an atrocity given some of the poor teams in this league. There's maybe one or two players at most that I'd be concerned over us losing - James McClean certainly isn't one of them.
Some people suggesting he's the kind of player we need to get promoted... LOL.
Works hard, gives his all, would run through brick walls - but he's not a good footballer.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 13, 2020 19:56:55 GMT
I didn't realise he got abuse for being Irish or Catholic. No one should be abused for because of their race, nationality or religious belief. What do you think he was getting abused for? No other Irish Catholics (from either side of the border) playing in England attract this kind of attention. Why is this? If you're going to complain about abusive chants, it's probably best not to round off your Tweet by quoting a terrorist either. He seems to spend a lot of his time 'dog whistling' about the IRA but for me the most offensive part of his posts are the spelling and grammar. I just hope he brought someone else in to teach those kids English 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:14:50 GMT
What do you think he was getting abused for? No other Irish Catholics (from either side of the border) playing in England attract this kind of attention. Why is this? If you're going to complain about abusive chants, it's probably best not to round off your Tweet by quoting a terrorist either. He seems to spend a lot of his time 'dog whistling' about the IRA but for me the most offensive part of his posts are the spelling and grammar. I just hope he brought someone else in to teach those kids English 🤔 Because some narrow minded people think he should wear a poppy and have no choice in the matter. Yeah he rounded off with a Bobby Sands quote which was stupid....does that deserve the death threats he received? Im sure he gives a fuck about his spelling and grammar.....the millions he has earnt probably comfort him.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 20:15:28 GMT
So you think it was all just a mysterious coincidence that the known Irish Republican who has shared IRA quptes and who was giving a lesson on Northern Irish history just happened to be wearing his everyday, around-the-house attire of a fucking balaclava? Jesus bloody Christ. What IRA quotes? Just because the BBC blacked out a lot of the troubles doesn't mean it didn't happen and do we really need to drag this up again because of one fool ? He quoted convicted IRA terrorist Bobby Sands as a source of personal inspiration. I'm not an idiot about The Troubles, I'd empathise with him were he not such an attention-seeking, hypocritical and disrespectful twat about the whole issue (he whines like a little bitch about abuse but when nobody's paid him any attention for a while, throws out an incendiary provocation)- but you are right, it's not worth dragging up again, so that's the last I'll say on it.
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Post by neckender78 on Jul 13, 2020 20:16:09 GMT
I must have missed the ira uniform and rifle, he had a balaclava on and was teaching his kids history he was not dressed has a terriost. If you wish to defend his actions fair enough, but that post is just ridiculous or completely naive. He has made numerous pro Republican statements, described Martin Mcguiness as his hero and has quoted a convicted Irish Republican terrorist Bobby Sands on the internet in a picture on social media while wearing our clubs shirt. It is quite clear what he was portraying by wearing the balaclava teaching his child history. He doesnt help himself one bit for the abuse he gets with his social media postings. Bang average footballer at best, terrible value for money (along with the majority of current squad) the sooner this divisive figure is out of our club the better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:20:12 GMT
What IRA quotes? Just because the BBC blacked out a lot of the troubles doesn't mean it didn't happen and do we really need to drag this up again because of one fool ? He quoted convicted IRA terrorist Bobby Sands as a source of personal inspiration. I'm not an idiot about The Troubles, I'd empathise with him were he not such an attention-seeking, hypocritical and disrespectful twat about the whole issue (he whines like a little bitch about abuse but when nobody's paid him any attention for a while, throws out an incendiary provocation)- but you are right, it's not worth dragging up again, so that's the last I'll say on it. Bobby Sands was an elected MP and a songwriter. Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist. Not sure how McClean is hypocritical or how he is a disrespectful twat but like you say. Is not him dragging things up either
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 13, 2020 20:26:03 GMT
I think at the moment he should just focus on Wednesday when we are safe he can play politics if he must
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 20:30:48 GMT
He quoted convicted IRA terrorist Bobby Sands as a source of personal inspiration. I'm not an idiot about The Troubles, I'd empathise with him were he not such an attention-seeking, hypocritical and disrespectful twat about the whole issue (he whines like a little bitch about abuse but when nobody's paid him any attention for a while, throws out an incendiary provocation)- but you are right, it's not worth dragging up again, so that's the last I'll say on it. Bobby Sands was an elected MP and a songwriter. Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist. Not sure how McClean is hypocritical or how he is a disrespectful twat but like you say. Is not him dragging things up either The entire dredging up of this tired and boring argument is due to McClean taking a story about genuine racism, and making it the James McClean show again by trying to conflate his experiences to the wider BLM issues we're seeing at the moment. This is him dragging stuff up. He is a hypocrite because he claims he wants to be left alone, yet posts inflammatory images of him dressed as a terrorist, totally out of the blue, with a big fuck-off laughing emoji. Personally I don't take offence at such stuff, so I'm not whining about it- but I fail to see how he has the gall to moan about sectarian abuse when he instigates and revels in it. His repeated social media antics are also disrepectful to the whole club (Coates et al) who continued to support him in the wake of his "cunts" remark about certain fans. I don't really care about his poppy stance, I'm definitely not poppy police (if anything, in an era in which the poppy is politicised (which it unfortunately is) I'd just stop doing it on footy shirts), but the fact is that he's chronically divisive. I could even forgive that if he was actually good enough to warrant the trade-off, but he's shite, not worth the hassle, not worth the money, and not worth the boring, boring repetitive arguments that I hate but am too weak-willed to not get involved in. And that's my last post on it... Pinkie promise!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:35:29 GMT
Bobby Sands was an elected MP and a songwriter. Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist. Not sure how McClean is hypocritical or how he is a disrespectful twat but like you say. Is not him dragging things up either The entire dredging up of this tired and boring argument is due to McClean taking a story about genuine racism, and making it the James McClean show again by trying to conflate his experiences to the wider BLM issues we're seeing at the moment. This is him dragging stuff up. He is a hypocrite because he claims he wants to be left alone, yet posts inflammatory images of him dressed as a terrorist, totally out of the blue, with a big fuck-off laughing emoji. Personally I don't take offence at such stuff, so I'm not whining about it- but I fail to see how he has the gall to moan about sectarian abuse when he instigates and revels in it. His repeated social media antics are also disrepectful to the whole club (Coates et al) who continued to support him in the wake of his "cunts" remark about certain fans. I don't really care about his poppy stance, I'm definitely not poppy police, but the fact is that he's chronically divisive. I could even forgive that if he was actually good enough to warrant the trade-off, but he's shite, not worth the hassle, not worth the money, and not worth the boring, boring repetitive arguments that I hate but am too weak-willed to not get involved in. And that's my last post on it... Pinkie promise! Anthony Joshua has been quite inflammatory with his BLM comments. It's nice to know you think AJ can be racially abused and if he complains hes got some gall
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 20:39:14 GMT
The entire dredging up of this tired and boring argument is due to McClean taking a story about genuine racism, and making it the James McClean show again by trying to conflate his experiences to the wider BLM issues we're seeing at the moment. This is him dragging stuff up. He is a hypocrite because he claims he wants to be left alone, yet posts inflammatory images of him dressed as a terrorist, totally out of the blue, with a big fuck-off laughing emoji. Personally I don't take offence at such stuff, so I'm not whining about it- but I fail to see how he has the gall to moan about sectarian abuse when he instigates and revels in it. His repeated social media antics are also disrepectful to the whole club (Coates et al) who continued to support him in the wake of his "cunts" remark about certain fans. I don't really care about his poppy stance, I'm definitely not poppy police, but the fact is that he's chronically divisive. I could even forgive that if he was actually good enough to warrant the trade-off, but he's shite, not worth the hassle, not worth the money, and not worth the boring, boring repetitive arguments that I hate but am too weak-willed to not get involved in. And that's my last post on it... Pinkie promise! Anthony Joshua has been quite inflammatory with his BLM comments. It's nice to know you think AJ can be racially abused and if he complains hes got some gall Nice to see you intentionally missing the point of my post, but yeah, carry on misrepresenting what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:42:43 GMT
Anthony Joshua has been quite inflammatory with his BLM comments. It's nice to know you think AJ can be racially abused and if he complains hes got some gall Nice to see you intentionally missing the point of my post, but yeah, carry on misrepresenting what I said. I mean it's exactly what you said
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 13, 2020 20:49:29 GMT
I broadly support McClean, always have. A brave and entirely justified stance. That 'education' tweet was also funny if you shared it with close friends and confidantes, the fact he put it on a public network though shows he's as thick as dogshit and lost him any moral higher ground.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 13, 2020 20:50:30 GMT
Nice to see you intentionally missing the point of my post, but yeah, carry on misrepresenting what I said. I mean it's exactly what you said I must have some severe mental disorder then because I could have sworn I never said the name Anthony Joshua, but since you say that's exactly what I said, it must be true. If you think it's appropriate for a white man to appropriate and exploit a black rights movement to get out of repercussions for controversial choices, and that it's the same as a black man talking using the same black rights movement to talk about black issues, then frankly, I think you miss the point of the BLM thing in the first place.
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Post by markby on Jul 13, 2020 21:36:26 GMT
In the mid 80’s I spent several weeks in Ballymena- to be a Catholic there was the equivalent of being a Negro in 1920’s Tulsa- yes it was that bad. No-one can/should defend the discrimination which Catholics endured in Ballymena at that time.
But really, you owe American Blacks an apology for insulting them by comparing their plight in those days as though it was equivalent:
And if you don't agree, then I'd suggest you talk to a Catholic who was brought up there during the 80's.
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