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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2020 16:06:23 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly.
He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured.
I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it.
Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages.
Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season.
I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again.
Out of our current squad I’d only keep
Smith
Collins
McClean
Sorrenson
Verlinden
Campbell
Powell
Cousins
Difficult times ahead I fear.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 27, 2020 16:11:14 GMT
we're not down yet
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 27, 2020 16:11:58 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly. He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured. I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it. Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages. Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season. I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again. Out of our current squad I’d only keep Smith Collins McClean Sorrenson Verlinden Campbell Powell Cousins Difficult times ahead I fear. I agree we just haven’t got the players. I really don’t know where we go from here. I’m not too bothered about the prem but it would be nice to be able to compete in this league but can’t see it for a long time |
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Post by reddipotter on Jun 27, 2020 16:12:17 GMT
Whatever the quality or otherwise, that did not look like a team that knew it is fighting for its Championship life.
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Post by ab61 on Jun 27, 2020 16:13:03 GMT
It’s such a shit show of a squad. To get this bunch of useless tossers where we are now with that lot is a miracle. Though he’s made some strange decisions today ! Boro wanted it more. It showed.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 16:13:27 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly. He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured. I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it. Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages. Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season. I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again. Out of our current squad I’d only keep Smith Collins McClean Sorrenson Verlinden Campbell Powell Cousins Difficult times ahead I fear. I agree but hes made 2 signings...chester and thompson. Both are dreadful. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:02 GMT
Yet folk on here convinced we'll challenge next season and by challenge they mean in this division
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:22 GMT
I thought the club had hit rock bottom, but clearly we haven’t. We need to go down and have the root and branch clear out that’s needed...starting at the top.
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Post by j3st3r on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:51 GMT
There's no doubt that our spineless talentless players are to blame... but someone needs to explain McClean to left back to me. He was looking like our best/only chance of getting something.
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Post by jarvinski on Jun 27, 2020 16:16:34 GMT
Dead right Monica
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2020 16:17:45 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly. He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured. I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it. Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages. Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season. I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again. Out of our current squad I’d only keep Smith Collins McClean Sorrenson Verlinden Campbell Powell Cousins Difficult times ahead I fear. I agree but hes made 2 signings...chester and thompson. Both are dreadful. Forgot about them 2 though I’m not convinced they’d be his first choices. I think if he’d had the opportunity’s that Rowett and Jones had we’d be in a very different position now. I still think he’s the man to take us forward even if we go back first. The players should be ashamed today. Gutless. |
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Post by dingdongbell on Jun 27, 2020 16:20:28 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly. He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured. I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it. Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages. Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season. I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again. Out of our current squad I’d only keep Smith Collins McClean Sorrenson Verlinden Campbell Powell Cousins Difficult times ahead I fear. I think Michael o Neill is to blame , him and his coaching staff have failed to completely address the bad attitudes and shocking lack of pace in the defence , our defenders are just a bunch of plodders , at least Bauer and Edwards could run . |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 27, 2020 16:20:59 GMT
At this stage I think the only way we can truly rebuild is if we are relegated.
This is the only way we'll be able to get shot of the dead wood IMO.
You have to ask yourself...."what is all the fuss about?"
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2020 16:22:25 GMT
I don’t blame MON because this isn’t his team. He didn’t assemble it and certainly today the players have let him down badly. He’s been left a squad totally devoid of quality. But it’s not just that there’s no commitment. All that was lost when Joe Allen got injured. I don’t even think it’s a selection issue because I don’t think we have a decent side who ever he picks. Perhaps he could have picked Collins but that’s about it. Biggest mistake we made was keeping hold of players from the PL who just weren’t up for the fight or certainly weren’t going to make a big enough difference to justify there huge wages. Christ knows who’s going to want Butland, Indi, Ryan or the misfits we’ve signed since especially if we drop to L1 next season. I think the board will have to take an almighty big loss to get us anywhere near competative again. Out of our current squad I’d only keep Smith Collins McClean Sorrenson Verlinden Campbell Powell Cousins Difficult times ahead I fear. I think Michael o Neill is to blame , him and his coaching staff have failed to completely address the bad attitudes and shocking lack of pace in the defence , our defenders are just a bunch of plodders , at least Bauer and Edwards could run . Look at where we were when he took over though. He’s done well to get us in with a fighting chance. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 27, 2020 16:24:09 GMT
There are no answers in midfield in my opinion
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 27, 2020 16:24:51 GMT
Unfortunately we’re going have to hit rock bottom before we make any improvements. And it seems another relegation might be that rock bottom.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 16:24:54 GMT
At this stage I think the only way we can truly rebuild is if we are relegated. This is the only way we'll be able to get shot of the dead wood IMO. You have to ask yourself...."what is all the fuss about?" We said that in May 2018. Not going well is it 🤔 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 16:25:23 GMT
I agree but hes made 2 signings...chester and thompson. Both are dreadful. Forgot about them 2 though I’m not convinced they’d be his first choices. I think if he’d had the opportunity’s that Rowett and Jones had we’d be in a very different position now. I still think he’s the man to take us forward even if we go back first. The players should be ashamed today. Gutless. I like O'Neil mate but I think Coronavirus has affected his brain. Two shocking team selections in 2 games. We seemed to spend most of today trying to unravel appalling selections in the first place. Somehow, we just need to stay up and start again, ridding ourselves of the likes of Butland, BMI, Gregory, Vokes, Ince, Mclean et al in the process. Clucas as well for me. But for a goal or 3, he's the invisible man in midfield. We mustn't forget just how much shit we were in when O'Neil arrived but we are in real danger right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:26:44 GMT
Collins and Shawcross is the centre would be a start......
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jun 27, 2020 16:28:32 GMT
Whatever the quality or otherwise, that did not look like a team that knew it is fighting for its Championship life. This was the biggest problem, the total lack of fight. If we had got stuck in, get the first balls and generally put ourselves about we could have done it. Can't help but feel we need a Taggart on the middle, kicking arses. |
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Post by march4 on Jun 27, 2020 16:30:03 GMT
Chester and Thompson are beyond awful and should be on the bench if not in the stands.
Both signed by O’Neill whose team selections for the first two games have been baffling. However, he has plenty of goodwill in the bank.
Our manager has had a rough few weeks. Let’s hope he comes through this bad patch and we are back to looking like a professionally organised and motivated team.
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Post by jarhead on Jun 27, 2020 16:33:27 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jun 27, 2020 16:33:37 GMT
There are no answers in midfield in my opinion Cousins, Clucas and Powell are our best three and easily good enough for this division. Next season we replace Cousins with an aggressive brute of a player who knows this league and we have a decent midfield. Today Clucas and Powell started goodness knows where. It certainly wasn’t their best midfield slots. |
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 27, 2020 16:36:49 GMT
That performance today was very worrying but MON has got a response from players before after awful performances, notably Boro away!
I don't think he will change too much for Tuesday but that back 5 is fucking dire.
I hope Ryan is available for Tuesday because we don't half miss him and hope he is partnered by either Collins or Lindsey because I never want to see Batth or Chester in a Stoke shirt again.
McClean and Ince will obviously start and I hope he starts with Sorensen over Thompson alongside Cousins in the middle.
It would be nice to see a 4-4-2:
Butland
Smith
Ryan/Lindsey
Collins
BMI
Ince
Cousins
Sorensen
McClean
Campbell
Vokes
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 27, 2020 17:24:23 GMT
There are no answers in midfield in my opinion Cousins, Clucas and Powell are our best three and easily good enough for this division. Next season we replace Cousins with an aggressive brute of a player who knows this league and we have a decent midfield. Today Clucas and Powell started goodness knows where. It certainly wasn’t their best midfield slots. Missed a chance here March (but not as many as us today)  |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 27, 2020 17:39:40 GMT
At this stage I think the only way we can truly rebuild is if we are relegated. This is the only way we'll be able to get shot of the dead wood IMO. You have to ask yourself...."what is all the fuss about?" We said that after our last relegation. Relegation is never good for anything. Far better to rebuild in this division than risk getting trapped in League One. |
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2020 17:43:04 GMT
I actually think that O'Neil is crap.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2020 17:47:39 GMT
Another relegation with most of the players on 40k a week yeah that will sort us out!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2020 18:40:21 GMT
How have we not got the players, since being in a formation that works for them they've shown they're more than capable, but they need to be in the right set up, MON found it and was doing well with it, for some reason he's decided to abandon it and go back to what we all know, including the manger, doesn't work.
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Post by timehascome on Jun 27, 2020 19:20:30 GMT
bit us in the arse getting rid of rowett. this was always goin to happen.
hughes put us in this mess and coates cant be arsed gettin us out of it. bin down hill since pulis left. rowett was out last hope. oneil good manager but cant get us out of this mess.
league 1 here were come.
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