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Post by TheProletarian on Jun 27, 2020 16:03:37 GMT
Mr Coates,
Either Tony Scholes goes, or Stoke fans go.
Thanks a lot,
A Tortured Stoke fan.
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Post by riproaringagain on Jun 27, 2020 16:07:00 GMT
As much as I really dislike Teflon Tony, these two shot results aren’t down to him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:09:12 GMT
As much as I really dislike Teflon Tony, these two shot results aren’t down to him I mean we could have had some backbone and refused to play |
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Post by flea79 on Jun 27, 2020 16:12:33 GMT
I have said just I’m thinking about it having a season ticket if Tony stays, will just go away
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Post by datguy on Jun 27, 2020 16:12:51 GMT
As much as I really dislike Teflon Tony, these two shot results aren’t down to him "What's the LB situation?" I rest my case. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:33 GMT
Scholes is root cause and branch IMO. It is quite possible we are about to drop from prem to league 1 in 3 years under his watch. At least Sunderland had an excuse
Poor old Coatsey, he's going end up being remembered as the man than took us to the 3rd tier 3 times rather than for those great prem years
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 16:15:37 GMT
Mr Coates, Either Tony Scholes goes, or Stoke fans go. Thanks a lot, A Tortured Stoke fan. What position was he playing ? He's a tosser but only in March we were hailing our resurrection and his name was barely mentioned |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 27, 2020 16:35:32 GMT
I do not get all this blame towards Scholes he only does what Coates allows him or tells him to do. The buck stops with Coates he owns the club & he calls the shots.
The rot started when Hughes was allowed to stay on at least a season longer than he should have & that was down to Coates being to loyal when everybody could see were we heading.
Its disgraceful the way the Coates family have allowed things to come to this purely through bad decisions & lack of ambition at vital times.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 27, 2020 16:37:55 GMT
Mr Coates, Either Tony Scholes goes, or Stoke fans go. Thanks a lot, A Tortured Stoke fan. What position was he playing ? He's a tosser but only in March we were hailing our resurrection and his name was barely mentioned I’ve never forgotten or let rest the fact he’s the architect of our downfall it’s all happened on his watch while he has been paid excessively for its little short of disgusting and the what left back moment is just the tip of the iceberg |
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 16:41:25 GMT
What position was he playing ? He's a tosser but only in March we were hailing our resurrection and his name was barely mentioned I’ve never forgotten or let rest the fact he’s the architect of our downfall it’s all happened on his watch while he has been paid excessively for its little short of disgusting and the what left back moment is just the tip of the iceberg I agree mate he's a charlatan. But we have Tymon or McLean who are capable there. Ward was signed by Jones .We do have left backs albeit shit ones. A CH at left back is scandalous. He seems like he's actually untouchable but I agree he's got to go. Maybe we haven't been vocal enough at games. People, me included are apathetic and have accepted the dross |
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 28, 2020 7:46:54 GMT
I don't think the hands will be back after Corona+relegation to be honest. Crowds will be around 10-13k be at most. The shit show on offer will only add to that. If we are relegated I foresee a third relegation battle.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2020 8:21:38 GMT
Stoke fans and English football fans in general have no appetite for boycotts. We're like lemmings, put up with any old shite clubs, governing bodies and TV throw at us.
Now moaning, we're world class.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 28, 2020 9:28:14 GMT
we all need someone to blame so now its Scholes yes we can go as we don't need a chief exec. in the League One anyway don't need one as a Championship club by the looks of it.
We can blame the owners for the decline ultimately they sanction manager and player appointments if not why the hell not you would think they would look after there money!
the managers have been abject at best, why still does every club look fitter, the players take the brunt of my blame, come to the conclusion only 1 or 2 actually see to give it all and show come thought of personal pride the rest look like they pick up their pay and there happy.
Changes which were promised never happened and i don't believe anyone at the top of the club has any idea how to sort things out,have got to the point where i am disillusioned with it all.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 28, 2020 9:52:43 GMT
The last two games are down to the manager no-one else. MON has done very well but he seems to be feeling the pressure. Both his selections were bizarre, too many players out of position. He obviously prefers 4-3-3 but we don’t have the players for it. Sorensen and Thomson have rarely been used but both started at Reading along with 4 centre backs, one of whom, Chester has been a consistent weakness. Then yesterday why have all of the front 3 out of position and the shifting of our main threat McClean to LB cost us at a time we were on top.
We only need to earn one less point than Hull, Barnsley and Luton over 7 games to be safe, if we can’t do that we deserve our fate. Time to go back to 4-2-3-1 with players in their best positions
Butland
Smith Shawcross Bruno Ward
Cousins Clucas
Campbell Powell McClean (Oakley-Booth at Wigan)
Vokes
I would also have a right footed player capable of playing wide on the bench - Diouf or N’Goy, not sure we need 2 left backs
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 28, 2020 9:55:10 GMT
I don’t get how we are in any position to give ultimatums.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2020 10:14:43 GMT
Scholes is root cause and branch IMO. It is quite possible we are about to drop from prem to league 1 in 3 years under his watch. At least Sunderland had an excuse Poor old Coatsey, he's going end up being remembered as the man than took us to the 3rd tier 3 times rather than for those great prem years We're looking at four spells in the third tier in our history, three have happened under The Family |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2020 10:26:10 GMT
I do not get all this blame towards Scholes he only does what Coates allows him or tells him to do. The buck stops with Coates he owns the club & he calls the shots. The rot started when Hughes was allowed to stay on at least a season longer than he should have & that was down to Coates being to loyal when everybody could see were we heading. Its disgraceful the way the Coates family have allowed things to come to this purely through bad decisions & lack of ambition at vital times. Coates dilly-dallied in sacking Hughes, which meant that no decent manager would step in at that time and risk a relegation on their CV, so we were left with someone equally desperate in Lambert. Hughes should have had his cards after the 1-4 hiding at Palace which would have given his replacement practically a full season and a window. The likes of Arnie were replaced by cheap dross like Choupo-Motting. The promised 'root and branch' change after relegation didn't happen. The sheer arrogance of Peter Coates in saying his famous quote, and almost certainly thinking that we would have enough to stay up, by underestimating the teams coming up- the likes of Huddersfield and Brighton. Yes, four years of complete and unhindered decline lie at the feet of one man, but it's not like he hasn't got previous is it? |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 28, 2020 10:37:17 GMT
I do not get all this blame towards Scholes he only does what Coates allows him or tells him to do. The buck stops with Coates he owns the club & he calls the shots. The rot started when Hughes was allowed to stay on at least a season longer than he should have & that was down to Coates being to loyal when everybody could see were we heading. Its disgraceful the way the Coates family have allowed things to come to this purely through bad decisions & lack of ambition at vital times. Coates dilly-dallied in sacking Hughes, which meant that no decent manager would step in at that time and risk a relegation on their CV, so we were left with someone equally desperate in Lambert. Hughes should have had his cards after the 1-4 hiding at Palace which woud have given his replacement practically a full season and a window. The likes of Arnie were replaced by cheap dross like Choupo-Motting. The promised 'root and branch' change after relegation didn't happen. The sheer arrogance of Peter Coates in saying his famous quote, and almost certainly thinking that we would have enough to stay up, by underestimating the teams coming up- the likes of Huddersfield and Brighton. Yes, four years of complete and unhindered decline lie at the feet of one man, but it's not like he hasn't got previous is it? For all the good the family (Coates) have done for the city & for the club in some respects they have made a complete disaster of running the football club in the last 4 to 5 years its been one bad decision after another bad player recruitment bad manager recruitment. For all there millions they sure now how to spend it badly & waste a legacy that could have been so different. We need a fresh owners with vision & ambition & proper plan to take us forward if not are demise will continue. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 28, 2020 10:46:53 GMT
Sadly fresh owners weren't forthcoming when the icelanders stint went south and it was Coates that saved us.
Who would save us now if Coates walked away?
I cant see many people interested in taking a falling/failing club on.
God forbid we end up with a yank owner or some chinese money launderer.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2020 11:02:16 GMT
Sadly fresh owners weren't forthcoming when the icelanders stint went south and it was Coates that saved us. Who would save us now if Coates walked away? I cant see many people interested in taking a falling/failing club on. God forbid we end up with a yank owner or some chinese money launderer. Yeah I bet Wolves fans are fed up of their owners. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2020 11:08:11 GMT
The last two games are down to the manager no-one else. MON has done very well but he seems to be feeling the pressure. Both his selections were bizarre, too many players out of position. He obviously prefers 4-3-3 but we don’t have the players for it. Sorensen and Thomson have rarely been used but both started at Reading along with 4 centre backs, one of whom, Chester has been a consistent weakness. Then yesterday why have all of the front 3 out of position and the shifting of our main threat McClean to LB cost us at a time we were on top. We only need to earn one less point than Hull, Barnsley and Luton over 7 games to be safe, if we can’t do that we deserve our fate. Time to go back to 4-2-3-1 with players in their best positions Butland Smith Shawcross Bruno Ward Cousins Clucas Campbell Powell McClean (Oakley-Booth at Wigan) Vokes I would also have a right footed player capable of playing wide on the bench - Diouf or N’Goy, not sure we need 2 left backs You say to play players in their best position but then put campbell RM? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 28, 2020 11:12:01 GMT
The owners commitment is without question they just need a football man in the boardroom to lead the change until they recognise that the spiral will continue .
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 28, 2020 11:13:39 GMT
Sadly fresh owners weren't forthcoming when the icelanders stint went south and it was Coates that saved us. Who would save us now if Coates walked away? I cant see many people interested in taking a falling/failing club on. God forbid we end up with a yank owner or some chinese money launderer. Yeah I bet Wolves fans are fed up of their owners. I know Birmingham were. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 28, 2020 11:14:20 GMT
I do not get all this blame towards Scholes he only does what Coates allows him or tells him to do. The buck stops with Coates he owns the club & he calls the shots. The rot started when Hughes was allowed to stay on at least a season longer than he should have & that was down to Coates being to loyal when everybody could see were we heading. Its disgraceful the way the Coates family have allowed things to come to this purely through bad decisions & lack of ambition at vital times. Its a strange one, PC is undoubtedly an incredible businessman and has done miracles for us, but it seems he is very trusting and loyal when it comes to football. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose with that strategy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 11:17:17 GMT
The owners commitment is without question they just need a football man in the boardroom to lead the change until they recognise that the spiral will continue . You keep saying this Benji but nothing happens? When exactly do the owners become culpable? Let's ask an open question. They have spent a fortune to turn us into a laughing stock. If we fall into League One, with well over 100M in debt and an ageing squad of players on huge contracts, then when do they get questioned? If they were foreign owners you would have thought they would have been open to the age old, timeless "Fit and proper" persons jibe before now. They're about to do what Ridsdale did at Leeds and what the Venkys did at Blackburn. The fact it is being done with good intentions is neither here nor there. How can a football club with so much experience in it's boardroom end up in a situation like this? |
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 28, 2020 11:31:48 GMT
It's a difficult one to manoeuvre.
The family (well, Peter and John), love the club. And I'm sure it pains them to see us like this. The problem is they are the ones who got us into this mess. They sacked Hughes too late, they appointed Lambert, they hired a chest thumping maniac who was evidently under qualified to take us forward (but were excited by the prospect of at least). The club is in complete disarray and is staring down the barrel of the third tier of English football with huge debts. Like I mentioned last night, we are extremely lucky that FFP has been suspended for a year.
IF we go down, I'm telling you now we'll be in another relegation battle. Our aging squad hasn't got it in them to compete. It's as simple as that. Colossal wages, the most expensive Champ squad in history and it's complete shit.
Peter and John need to grow some balls and get a ballsack to put them in, there needs to be a big restructure. If they cannot be bothered to, or just won't, then I'm afraid their time might be up.
They're on the verge of being remembered for all the wrong reasons. On Tuesday, it's Judgment Day. 'Hasta la vista, City'.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2020 11:38:51 GMT
Yeah I bet Wolves fans are fed up of their owners. I know Birmingham were. And plenty of fans have had their clubs run into the ground by British owners. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 28, 2020 11:54:43 GMT
And plenty of fans have had their clubs run into the ground by British owners. Cant argue with that |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jun 28, 2020 12:32:22 GMT
why didnt we cancel the loans of at least one of Etebo/NDiaye in March as soon as Allen was injured?
We are now left with no central midfielder really worthy of this league. Journeymen like Sam Morsey will have a field day against our lightweight who play on the back fours toes.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2020 12:40:59 GMT
why didnt we cancel the loans of at least one of Etebo/NDiaye in March as soon as Allen was injured? We are now left with no central midfielder really worthy of this league. Journeymen like Sam Morsey will have a field day against our lightweight who play on the back fours toes. Not sure we could if we wanted too that's how I understand the situation. |
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