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Post by spud on Jun 2, 2020 22:13:47 GMT
Hey Potters
I felt it might be fun (and perhaps a little uplifting in the current situation) to reflect on some of the incredible names we had in our squad in the Premier League.
Basically, what would our best/most famous starting 11 be, if we had each player in their prime (not necessarily when they were with us)?
Disregarding tactics/how well they played together, just focusing on the individual names.
I'll go for:
Gudjohnsen Owen Shaqiri
Bojan
Allen Nzonzi
Pieters Huth Shawcross Johnson
Butland
Honourable mentions: Crouch, Afellay, Tuncay, Moses, Bony, Arnautovic, Begovic
Who have I missed?!
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Post by Gods on Jun 2, 2020 22:41:47 GMT
Given the 'in their prime' criteria I would say your list is fairly comprehensive.
I might take issue with you over the keeper though. Outside of these shores Simonsen, Sorenson and Shay Given would all perhaps be better known and internationally decorated than Jack and perhaps Bego too I would suggest.
That's 5 very decent keepers in their prime!
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Post by wykepotter on Jun 2, 2020 22:49:24 GMT
I know not from the Premier League time but can I add Patrick Berger?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2020 23:08:27 GMT
Bego wins easily for the keeper surely?
Played at major tournaments recently. Played for 2 massive clubs in Chelsea and AC Milan.
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Post by sifta on Jun 2, 2020 23:31:06 GMT
Missed out Ric, he could give EG a run for his money. In their prime Woodgate, and Diao were probably better than Ryan, and Joe
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 3, 2020 0:07:29 GMT
Missed out Ric, he could give EG a run for his money. In their prime Woodgate, and Diao were probably better than Ryan, and Joe Haha we love him but in what world was Ric a bigger name than Eidur Gudjohnsen?? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2020 0:25:53 GMT
Missed out Ric, he could give EG a run for his money. In their prime Woodgate, and Diao were probably better than Ryan, and Joe Haha we love him but in what world was Ric a bigger name than Eidur Gudjohnsen?? Gudjohnsen Owen Crouch Carew Odemwingie Probably Beattie too All way more “famous” than Ric. I mean probably Diouf and Tuncay too. |
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Post by sifta on Jun 3, 2020 0:32:13 GMT
Missed out Ric, he could give EG a run for his money. In their prime Woodgate, and Diao were probably better than Ryan, and Joe Haha we love him but in what world was Ric a bigger name than Eidur Gudjohnsen??
I know, the answer is in no world whatsoever, and its a bit of a stretch, but Ric was a massive underachiever, for injury, and probably temperament reasons, while Gudjohnsen was very talented, but also made the very most of his talent.
But I don't think its in doubt that Ric skill wise was at least as skillful as EG, if not moreso, (EG's touch was exquisite, and he was strong and an excellent finisher, but I don't remember him dumping players on their backside when running at them). I also think Ric was quicker, although that's just an impression, no stats to back it up.
So the argument can be made (Because I'm making it) that in his prime, could mean comparing their best ever days against each other.
And the killer argument is that I think its true because I want it to be.
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Post by sifta on Jun 3, 2020 0:39:26 GMT
Haha we love him but in what world was Ric a bigger name than Eidur Gudjohnsen?? Gudjohnsen Owen Crouch Carew Odemwingie Probably Beattie too All way more “famous” than Ric. I mean probably Diouf and Tuncay too.
I didn't know we were compiling a most famous 11. I thought it was for 1 game in their very best form. The reason Ric was playing for us, Portsmouth, and Southampton, and not a "top" team, was that he couldn't produce week in week out over a full season. But the days he did produce are the ones I'm judging him on.
Edit. Sorry, just re-read the OP, and famous was in there. So yes that's true, this obviously only applies to best.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 3, 2020 0:51:01 GMT
Gudjohnsen Owen Crouch Carew Odemwingie Probably Beattie too All way more “famous” than Ric. I mean probably Diouf and Tuncay too. I didn't know we were compiling a most famous 11. I thought it was for 1 game in their very best form. The reason Ric was playing for us, Portsmouth, and Southampton, and not a "top" team, was that he couldn't produce week in week out over a full season. But the days he did produce are the ones I'm judging him on. Edit. Sorry, just re-read the OP, and famous was in there. So yes that's true, this obviously only applies to best.
To be fair the OP confuses it a bit by saying "best/most famous" - two very different things. But yes I think the idea is "star-studded" as per the subject. Owen is one of the most famous but was completely crap for us. As was chunky Eidur for that matter |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 3, 2020 7:54:47 GMT
Carew is a good shout.
As is Woodgate
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 3, 2020 7:59:15 GMT
Woodgate and Upson at centre back, perhaps.
Maybe you could shoehorn Moses in at left back?
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 3, 2020 7:59:28 GMT
Carew is a good shout. As is Woodgate In the ‘most famous at their peak’ stakes, Woodgate has to replace Shawcross. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 3, 2020 8:10:38 GMT
Woodgate and Upson at centre back, perhaps. Maybe you could shoehorn Moses in at left back? I think Huth trumps Upson with the title winners medals. Moses is a good shout. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 3, 2020 8:14:21 GMT
Surely on the basis of media coverage and miles of written text discussing him, Rory Delap has to be one of the most famous Premier League players?
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 3, 2020 8:50:22 GMT
Hey Potters I felt it might be fun (and perhaps a little uplifting in the current situation) to reflect on some of the incredible names we had in our squad in the Premier League. Basically, what would our best/most famous starting 11 be, if we had each player in their prime (not necessarily when they were with us)? Disregarding tactics/how well they played together, just focusing on the individual names. I'll go for: Gudjohnsen Owen Shaqiri Bojan Allen Nzonzi Pieters Huth Shawcross Johnson Butland Honourable mentions: Crouch, Afellay, Tuncay, Moses, Bony, Arnautovic, Begovic Who have I missed?! Etherington has to be in there very underated player & did a really good job for us. |
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Post by walrus on Jun 3, 2020 9:30:53 GMT
Given the 'in their prime' criteria I would say your list is fairly comprehensive. I might take issue with you over the keeper though. Outside of these shores Simonsen, Sorenson and Shay Given would all perhaps be better known and internationally decorated than Jack and perhaps Bego too I would suggest. That's 5 very decent keepers in their prime! There’s no way Steve Simonsen is better known than Begovic, who played for Chelsea and AC Milan, and at a World Cup, or Butland who has nine England caps. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 18:26:29 GMT
Missed out Ric, he could give EG a run for his money. In their prime Woodgate, and Diao were probably better than Ryan, and Joe Haha we love him but in what world was Ric a bigger name than Eidur Gudjohnsen?? Our world. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2020 18:33:35 GMT
Given the 'in their prime' criteria I would say your list is fairly comprehensive. I might take issue with you over the keeper though. Outside of these shores Simonsen, Sorenson and Shay Given would all perhaps be better known and internationally decorated than Jack and perhaps Bego too I would suggest. That's 5 very decent keepers in their prime! There’s no way Steve Simonsen is better known than Begovic, who played for Chelsea and AC Milan, and at a World Cup, or Butland who has nine England caps. I read that and thought it was me. Thank you for confirming it probably isn’t 😂👍 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 3, 2020 18:34:14 GMT
Kevin Wimmer must have been quite the world star considering what we paid for him! Does he count? 😉
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Post by superalexneil on Jun 4, 2020 6:45:05 GMT
Bego wins easily for the keeper surely? Played at major tournaments recently. Played for 2 massive clubs in Chelsea and AC Milan. Id go shay given |
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Post by superalexneil on Jun 4, 2020 6:46:55 GMT
Hey Potters I felt it might be fun (and perhaps a little uplifting in the current situation) to reflect on some of the incredible names we had in our squad in the Premier League. Basically, what would our best/most famous starting 11 be, if we had each player in their prime (not necessarily when they were with us)? Disregarding tactics/how well they played together, just focusing on the individual names. I'll go for: Gudjohnsen Owen Shaqiri Bojan Allen Nzonzi Pieters Huth Shawcross Johnson Butland Honourable mentions: Crouch, Afellay, Tuncay, Moses, Bony, Arnautovic, Begovic Who have I missed?! Etherington has to be in there very underated player & did a really good job for us. Nowhere near the name of gudjohnsen |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 7:41:04 GMT
Kevin Wimmer must have been quite the world star considering what we paid for him! Does he count? 😉 We paid more for Imbula, and he has played in five different countries plus he's been available to play for three different nations. You just don't get any more worldwide than that….I expect he will turn out for a chinese club next, then a short stint in his original homeland, Belgium, before ending his career in his new homeland, Congo. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2020 9:27:59 GMT
Bego wins easily for the keeper surely? Played at major tournaments recently. Played for 2 massive clubs in Chelsea and AC Milan. Id go shay given Tbh you’re probably right. |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 4, 2020 9:40:54 GMT
Bego wins easily for the keeper surely? Played at major tournaments recently. Played for 2 massive clubs in Chelsea and AC Milan. Begovic only played for Chelsea 19 times and Milan 2. Given had over 120 caps and around 500 club appearances. Given gets it for me, although obviously Begovic our best keeper during the PL years. |
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Post by redwhite on Jun 4, 2020 9:55:13 GMT
Palacios, Fletcher, Imbula all top Allen for the CM spot if we’re going for “in their prime”.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Jun 4, 2020 13:10:39 GMT
Honorable mention for Jermaine Pennant (even his off field behavior hit the headlines)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:37:37 GMT
Bego wins easily for the keeper surely? Played at major tournaments recently. Played for 2 massive clubs in Chelsea and AC Milan. Begovic only played for Chelsea 19 times and Milan 2. Given had over 120 caps and around 500 club appearances. Given gets it for me, although obviously Begovic our best keeper during the PL years. If the criteria still is fame first achievement second, then I'd say Sorensen, who played over 100 caps for his country, played in several big tournaments, and captained several times. For us he played just under 100, but actually won some games for us, didn't just concede a bunch of goals like Given. He definitely helped us stay up unlike Given. Moreover he was in goal in the only fa cup final in the club's history and was our best player on the day. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 5, 2020 20:28:19 GMT
Palacios, Fletcher, Imbula all top Allen for the CM spot if we’re going for “in their prime”. Fletcher is a good shout. I don't agree on palacios or Imbula though. In terms of prem level Allens time at Liverpool is equal or above what Wilson or Giannelli did at club level. Allen getting to the semi finals at the euros gives him the edge for me. But then Fletcher was a championship winner with Man Utd so beats them all. |
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Post by sifta on Jun 5, 2020 22:26:35 GMT
Palacios, Fletcher, Imbula all top Allen for the CM spot if we’re going for “in their prime”.
Can't believe I forgot Fletcher. But I think Allen "in his prime" is up there with the other 2
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