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Post by spitthedog on May 4, 2020 19:46:13 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 4, 2020 20:10:39 GMT
What will suit us is the abandonment of FFP which surely must come then the family can release the turbo spender and they can keep their proxy parachute as we march back to the top six buying distressed assets form over leveraged so called giants battling to keep the baying wolf from the door
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Post by werrington on May 4, 2020 20:11:24 GMT
Trouble is if you scrap them clubs who get relegated would be in a financial nightmare as they be stuck with players on big money they could no longer afford to pay and you have to pay big wages in the premiership in order to attract and compete
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Post by greystokie on May 4, 2020 20:25:01 GMT
Trouble is if you scrap them clubs who get relegated would be in a financial nightmare as they be stuck with players on big money they could no longer afford to pay and you have to pay big wages in the premiership in order to attract and compete for similar reasons newly promoted clubs would also have big problems. Knowing that they would have a high probability of relegation after going into the top flight they would be unable to offer a salary package good enough to attract players who might keep them up. As that recent article about TP shows (further up the board), it's hard enough already trying to attract talent without the financial constraints this proposal would cause. |
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Post by greystokie on May 4, 2020 20:37:31 GMT
Imagine the hit that we would have taken, when we went down, if we hadn't had the benefit of such payments. Imagine having to fund all those wasters we can't get rid of on just gate receipts and the relatively small advertising, merchandisjng and tv money we get. it doesn't bear thinking about, even with the financial backing of bet 365 behind us. If we have aspirations of promotion, any time soon, we should pray that those payments are still in place. |
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Post by Olgrligm on May 4, 2020 20:38:52 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system.
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Post by greystokie on May 4, 2020 20:43:38 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system. The A noble suggestion but I couldn't see the Premier League clubs or the TV companies accepting it. If it was imposed the Premier League would simply break away from the FA. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 4, 2020 20:48:38 GMT
There would have to be a law for every club to implement a relegation clause with a wage cap of let's say £10K per week. Maybe fairer than parachute payment as well, but still too much money stay in the PL. More TV-money should go to all the divisions beneath the PL!  |
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Post by greystokie on May 4, 2020 20:57:48 GMT
There would have to be a law for every club to implement a relegation clause with a wage cap of let's say £10K per week. Maybe fairer than parachute payment as well, but still too much money stay in the PL. More TV-money should go to all the divisions beneath the PL! The problem with that, Rob, is any club that could be a relegation candidate i.e. in the previous season's bottom half plus the three newly promoted clubs would have the devil's own job in attracting new players. Their agents would be strongly advising against signing for any club where there was a sniff of a wage cut in the following seasons. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 4, 2020 21:03:51 GMT
Perhaps attempt to deal with the hundreds of millions agents leech out of the game first?
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Post by Goonie on May 4, 2020 21:31:45 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system. A communistic football league? Yes, post-virus that'll happen. Along with the Corinthian spirit, tackles from behind and hoofball 🤣 |
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 4, 2020 21:37:26 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system. The A noble suggestion but I couldn't see the Premier League clubs or the TV companies accepting it. If it was imposed the Premier League would simply break away from the FA. If the UEFA champions league points system comes in in 2025, or whatever it is, then the premier leagues power might drop a bit & those big 6 or 7 start calling even more shots. |
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2020 21:41:39 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system. That never actually occurred Div one and two clubs for more,much more,than three and four clubs Much smaller pie back then of course The rot started when home clubs were allowed to keep all gate receipts. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2020 6:16:13 GMT
There would have to be a law for every club to implement a relegation clause with a wage cap of let's say £10K per week. Maybe fairer than parachute payment as well, but still too much money stay in the PL. More TV-money should go to all the divisions beneath the PL! The problem with that, Rob, is any club that could be a relegation candidate i.e. in the previous season's bottom half plus the three newly promoted clubs would have the devil's own job in attracting new players. Their agents would be strongly advising against signing for any club where there was a sniff of a wage cut in the following seasons. I see that, but still maybe better than club after club going bankrupt. It would also still be possible to sign a contract but install a clause where a player is allowed to leave if relegated. Not perfect, but maybe better than the alternatives. I would be open to better suggestions, but I really think something has to be done ASAP.  |
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Post by nott1 on May 5, 2020 6:18:20 GMT
Whatever....we would still have our fantastic owners!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 6:22:12 GMT
If you scrap the parachute payments then the FFP has to be looked at or scrapped.
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Post by Veritas on May 5, 2020 7:33:40 GMT
Scraping parachute payments effectively means promoted clubs will be unable to take the risk of going bust if they come back down and will hard wire in the gap between those already in the PL and the rest. I have a real concern this pulling up of the drawbridge would be the first move towards a no relegation/promotion top flight.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2020 7:45:59 GMT
Scraping parachute payments effectively means promoted clubs will be unable to take the risk of going bust if they come back down and will hard wire in the gap between those already in the PL and the rest. I have a real concern this pulling up of the drawbridge would be the first move towards a no relegation/promotion top flight. It's still impressive how some clubs that go up are able to do quite well without spending a lot of money, in comparison to most PL clubs, like us when we went up or Sheffield United this season. I know money was spent, but not crazy money. |
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Post by thebet365 on May 5, 2020 8:01:48 GMT
Scraping parachute payments effectively means promoted clubs will be unable to take the risk of going bust if they come back down and will hard wire in the gap between those already in the PL and the rest. I have a real concern this pulling up of the drawbridge would be the first move towards a no relegation/promotion top flight. It's still impressive how some clubs that go up are able to do quite well without spending a lot of money, in comparison to most PL clubs, like us when we went up or Sheffield United this season. I know money was spent, but not crazy money. It's not transfer spend that parachute payments are designed to help with, it's contracts. When we got promoted our wage bill rose from 12 million pa to 30 million. More recently Brighton's 1st season in the prem saw their wage bill jump from 40 to 77 Million. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2020 8:10:33 GMT
It's still impressive how some clubs that go up are able to do quite well without spending a lot of money, in comparison to most PL clubs, like us when we went up or Sheffield United this season. I know money was spent, but not crazy money. It's not transfer spend that parachute payments are designed to help with, it's contracts. When we got promoted our wage bill rose from 12 million pa to 30 million. More recently Brighton's 1st season in the prem saw their wage bill jump from 40 to 77 Million. Isn't this exactly why there needs to be a relegation wage cap? |
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 5, 2020 8:25:57 GMT
Perhaps attempt to deal with the hundreds of millions agents leech out of the game first? This has always been my top issue in the game and on the face of it it looks easy to solve. I'm happy with agents earning money but they should be capped at 000's not millions. Allow agents to earn as much money on contract renewals by changing the market and let's see what happens. When agents have more power than the top clubs in the world you know the market's gone to pot. |
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Post by leicspotter on May 5, 2020 8:56:08 GMT
All television money and gate receipts to be pooled together and distributed evenly between all 92 clubs in the league system. The A noble suggestion but I couldn't see the Premier League clubs or the TV companies accepting it. If it was imposed the Premier League would simply break away from the FA. Surely the dropping of parachute payments is just a back door way of protecting the interests of the 'big clubs' and creating a break away league by default. Just the bottom 3 in a constantly revolving door? |
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Post by leicspotter on May 5, 2020 8:57:46 GMT
It's not transfer spend that parachute payments are designed to help with, it's contracts. When we got promoted our wage bill rose from 12 million pa to 30 million. More recently Brighton's 1st season in the prem saw their wage bill jump from 40 to 77 Million. Isn't this exactly why there needs to be a relegation wage cap? A total wage cap would be fairer...anything else just keeps the bottom 3 at the bottom |
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Post by werrington on May 5, 2020 9:07:19 GMT
Isn't this exactly why there needs to be a relegation wage cap? A total wage cap would be fairer...anything else just keeps the bottom 3 at the bottom Many clubs are PLCs so that would be restriction of trade |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2020 9:22:48 GMT
Isn't this exactly why there needs to be a relegation wage cap? A total wage cap would be fairer...anything else just keeps the bottom 3 at the bottom Maybe right, and still it would limit clubs from spending more. Anyway there should be a maximum of what you could pay one single player in my opinion, and still there must be some kind of wage cap for a player if a club is relegated. I guess our opinion won't count anyway, but it got to be on the agenda soon.  |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2020 9:46:39 GMT
The A noble suggestion but I couldn't see the Premier League clubs or the TV companies accepting it. If it was imposed the Premier League would simply break away from the FA. Surely the dropping of parachute payments is just a back door way of protecting the interests of the 'big clubs' and creating a break away league by default. Just the bottom 3 in a constantly revolving door? Thats pretty much how it is now in reality, 2 out of 3 promoted times usually go straight back down then 1 out of 8 middle to bottom clubs has a bad season and gets relegated, those teams that make a good fist of staying up like Wolves and us for a while relay on owners more than tv money, very rarely a team like burnley or sheff utd stays up on the relative cheap. I would say drop or halve the parachute payments for the next couple of years put the difference back to all EFL clubs or more will go the way of Bury. |
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Post by franklin66 on May 5, 2020 10:21:15 GMT
A total wage cap would be fairer...anything else just keeps the bottom 3 at the bottom Many clubs are PLCs so that would be restriction of trade I also think FFP is the same it should be scrapped, football is competition and restricting owners spending imho is wrong. However if I were a supporter of a "poor" club i might have a different opinion but that's life. |
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Post by sheds1862 on May 5, 2020 10:48:42 GMT
Never quite got the being rewarded for failure concept of parachute payments.
Hopefully after ' normality' comes back football will cut its cloth accordingly and realise that paying someone 50 grand a week is obscene whether it's Ronaldo or Joe Allen
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Post by BristolMick on May 5, 2020 12:25:34 GMT
Trouble is if you scrap them clubs who get relegated would be in a financial nightmare as they be stuck with players on big money they could no longer afford to pay and you have to pay big wages in the premiership in order to attract and compete They would mate so if it comes in it has to be in tandem with other measures to stop that from happening. A mandatory relegation clause in all Premier League contracts would be good and as Rob says earlier perhaps a maximum wage at Championship level. The argument against is that players wouldn’t sign for clubs who have a high chance of getting relegated but who would they sign for then, and what better is going to be on offer? They can’t all sign for the big 6 only and nor would they be offered the chance to. Maybe the result would be less foreign players in the English game and more home grown talent getting the chance to develop at higher levels? BM |
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Post by werrington on May 5, 2020 12:41:49 GMT
Trouble is if you scrap them clubs who get relegated would be in a financial nightmare as they be stuck with players on big money they could no longer afford to pay and you have to pay big wages in the premiership in order to attract and compete They would mate so if it comes in it has to be in tandem with other measures to stop that from happening. A mandatory relegation clause in all Premier League contracts would be good and as Rob says earlier perhaps a maximum wage at Championship level. The argument against is that players wouldn’t sign for clubs who have a high chance of getting relegated but who would they sign for then, and what better is going to be on offer? They can’t all sign for the big 6 only and nor would they be offered the chance to. Maybe the result would be less foreign players in the English game and more home grown talent getting the chance to develop at higher levels? BM I think certain promoted sides would be the ones who would suffer mate....WBA and Leeds currently might just be ok but a Stoke,Huddersfield etc in years gone by would be hugely affected by it |
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