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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 16, 2020 7:56:34 GMT
Great photo of Stoke's defence. Nice to actually see the full backs on the posts and DEFENDING.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Apr 16, 2020 8:03:57 GMT
One of the few players who handled George Best well. Very much an unsung hero. Had he played for one of the big clubs he would have been capped for England. Get well soon Jackie.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2020 10:09:39 GMT
Great photo of Stoke's defence. Nice to actually see the full backs on the posts and DEFENDING. I'd love to hear an explanation from a manager, coach or goalkeeper as to why they don't have anyone on the post. They must have a good reason but I can't think of it.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Apr 16, 2020 11:19:58 GMT
Great photo of Stoke's defence. Nice to actually see the full backs on the posts and DEFENDING. I'd love to hear an explanation from a manager, coach or goalkeeper as to why they don't have anyone on the post. They must have a good reason but I can't think of it. Putting it simply (and there are many variations) if the goalie stays on his line the post don't need defending. If he comes off his line they do. Who decides what the goalie does is a matter for the coaches/goalie. See the confusion caused by the different approaches of Banks/Shilton.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2020 11:40:53 GMT
I'd love to hear an explanation from a manager, coach or goalkeeper as to why they don't have anyone on the post. They must have a good reason but I can't think of it. Putting it simply (and there are many variations) if the goalie stays on his line the post don't need defending. If he comes off his line they do. Who decides what the goalie does is a matter for the coaches/goalie. See the confusion caused by the different approaches of Banks/Shilton. Potentially although I'd argue even if the goalie stays on his line you still really need someone on one of the posts because they're simply flat footed and it's hard to see from there generally.
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Post by march4 on Apr 16, 2020 12:22:19 GMT
A fantastic player. Good luck fella. (Has there ever been a better full back pairing than Marsh and Pej. Not for us for sure.) Great picture 1.Banks 2.Marsh 3.Pejic ... Get well Jackie! Not sure how anyone ever scored against them. Come on Jackie, let’s see you back to full health ASAP.
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2020 16:24:52 GMT
Putting it simply (and there are many variations) if the goalie stays on his line the post don't need defending. If he comes off his line they do. Who decides what the goalie does is a matter for the coaches/goalie. See the confusion caused by the different approaches of Banks/Shilton. Potentially although I'd argue even if the goalie stays on his line you still really need someone on one of the posts because they're simply flat footed and it's hard to see from there generally. the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple?
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Post by Veritas on Apr 16, 2020 16:29:56 GMT
Potentially although I'd argue even if the goalie stays on his line you still really need someone on one of the posts because they're simply flat footed and it's hard to see from there generally. the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple? Yes very simple approach but one I would fully endorse.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 16, 2020 17:35:53 GMT
A fantastic player. Good luck fella. (Has there ever been a better full back pairing than Marsh and Pej. Not for us for sure.) Definitely for us. Both were top, top players Hard as nails, great passers of the ball, both could strike the ball beautifully. Jack had a very sweet right foot. Great at overlapping and putting in good crosses. A pleasure to watch and we kind of took them for granted in many ways. John Marsh played 69 competitive games the 1971-72 season!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2020 12:26:45 GMT
Potentially although I'd argue even if the goalie stays on his line you still really need someone on one of the posts because they're simply flat footed and it's hard to see from there generally. the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple? I asked Rich Carter on twatter about men on the posts. And he said it came into fashion as a way of a fast transition from corner to attack. Which makes sense if you do that, which the managers that started it did. However it makes no sense if like you say you set up like we do on a corner with everyone back. I’d love to know the rationale behind all of what you have put as well because to me doing what they do now makes no sense. I’ve watched a reasonable amount of Sandbach this year and they’re way down the pyramid but generally both sides in the game at that level will leave at least 2 up on corners. And it makes me happy.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2020 12:42:29 GMT
the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple? I asked Rich Carter on twatter about men on the posts. And he said it came into fashion as a way of a fast transition from corner to attack. Which makes sense if you do that, which the managers that started it did. However it makes no sense if like you say you set up like we do on a corner with everyone back. I’d love to know the rationale behind all of what you have put as well because to me doing what they do now makes no sense. I’ve watched a reasonable amount of Sandbach this year and they’re way down the pyramid but generally both sides in the game at that level will leave at least 2 up on corners. And it makes me happy. It's not just Stoke it's virtually every side
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Post by wrighter on Apr 20, 2020 15:43:52 GMT
Any news on my favourite player ?
Hope Jackie is getting better
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 21, 2020 11:45:22 GMT
Potentially although I'd argue even if the goalie stays on his line you still really need someone on one of the posts because they're simply flat footed and it's hard to see from there generally. the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple? Love that spot on and simple approach and exactly how I was taught to play. Noone seems to leave the men up top on corners anymore which I find baffling.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 23, 2020 16:39:19 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 23, 2020 16:58:52 GMT
the approach to defending from corners - & this is 99% of managers at all clubs - baffles me no one on either post no one left up top crowded goal mouth still concede lots of goals stick two up top & the opposition have to keep three players back 1 takes the corner that leaves 6 players to man mark which leaves two defenders free to man the posts & gives the keeper loads more room to come out & claim the cross is that too simple? I asked Rich Carter on twatter about men on the posts. And he said it came into fashion as a way of a fast transition from corner to attack. Which makes sense if you do that, which the managers that started it did. However it makes no sense if like you say you set up like we do on a corner with everyone back. I’d love to know the rationale behind all of what you have put as well because to me doing what they do now makes no sense. I’ve watched a reasonable amount of Sandbach this year and they’re way down the pyramid but generally both sides in the game at that level will leave at least 2 up on corners. And it makes me happy. Rich Who?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2020 17:35:22 GMT
I asked Rich Carter on twatter about men on the posts. And he said it came into fashion as a way of a fast transition from corner to attack. Which makes sense if you do that, which the managers that started it did. However it makes no sense if like you say you set up like we do on a corner with everyone back. I’d love to know the rationale behind all of what you have put as well because to me doing what they do now makes no sense. I’ve watched a reasonable amount of Sandbach this year and they’re way down the pyramid but generally both sides in the game at that level will leave at least 2 up on corners. And it makes me happy. Rich Who? A football coach who was an academy coach here for ages.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 23, 2020 17:48:14 GMT
A football coach who was an academy coach here for ages. Ah that makes sense
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2020 18:31:54 GMT
I asked Rich Carter on twatter about men on the posts. And he said it came into fashion as a way of a fast transition from corner to attack. Which makes sense if you do that, which the managers that started it did. However it makes no sense if like you say you set up like we do on a corner with everyone back. I’d love to know the rationale behind all of what you have put as well because to me doing what they do now makes no sense. I’ve watched a reasonable amount of Sandbach this year and they’re way down the pyramid but generally both sides in the game at that level will leave at least 2 up on corners. And it makes me happy. Rich Who? Rich Carter academy coach at Stoke
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 23, 2020 19:12:07 GMT
Rich Carter academy coach at Stoke I think Bayern may of said but thanks anyway
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Post by nott1 on Apr 24, 2020 6:33:05 GMT
Rich Carter academy coach at Stoke I think Bayern may of said but thanks anyway HAVE
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Post by pretzel on Oct 4, 2020 9:19:49 GMT
Anyone know how Jack is?
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 4, 2020 9:43:23 GMT
Great picture 1.Banks 2.Marsh 3.Pejic ... Get well Jackie! Not sure how anyone ever scored against them. Come on Jackie, let’s see you back to full health ASAP. Them pictures remind me of when football was football not like what we see now. Hope you pull though legend
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 4, 2020 11:06:09 GMT
Yeah, haven't heard anything for a while Presuming he pulled through it ok?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 4, 2020 11:55:30 GMT
Seems to have come through it. I'm glad for him. link
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Post by richie22 on Oct 4, 2020 14:48:50 GMT
Great picture 1.Banks 2.Marsh 3.Pejic ... Get well Jackie! Not sure how anyone ever scored against them. Come on Jackie, let’s see you back to full health ASAP. I love this photo, everyone in the image looks ready to go all in, never say die stuff
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 4, 2020 14:59:27 GMT
Everytime the subject of Jackie Marsh comes up I think of the first FA Semi-final against Arsenal at Hillsborough. I was watching the match with my dad and we were 2-0 up. For some reason Waddington had picked Skeels to play instead of Marsh. The game started to go against us. We thought Terry Conroy was having a poor match and were calling for Marsh to be brought on and play Skeels further forward to bolster our defending and keep the lead. The rest........
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 4, 2020 21:16:30 GMT
Get well soon Jackie, I'll look forward to seeing you at the match when we're allowed back. Gouranga.
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Post by pavel on Oct 4, 2020 22:27:23 GMT
Hang in there Marshy, a full back and player who didn't always get the plaudits he deserved but as Lakeland says my memories of him and Pejic bombing down the wings are etched into my brain. Good luck and fair wind against the hardest opponent you've come up against.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 5, 2020 8:10:15 GMT
He's really been through the mill. Hope he has a full recovery from all his ailments
Best wishes Jackie
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 3, 2022 21:07:15 GMT
Thought of this thread when I saw this beaut of a picture pop up on twitter just now. Hope he's still doing well.
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