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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 15:48:54 GMT
Again I recall that the shot came in from the Polish righthand side and agree Shelton should have saved it. So definitely 2 errors before the goal. Tomascheski or the clown as Clough described him put Stilton to shame that evening! Sorry did not realise it was 1-1. It felt like a defeat! I had just passed my driving test in south London the day before and managed to borrow a Morris estate and five of us went up. First ever experience of West End driving and Hyde Park Corner before they had traffic lights! Interesting times! Was hard cheese as far as I was concerned for Stilton
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Apr 12, 2020 15:58:42 GMT
Again I recall that the shot came in from the Polish righthand side and agree Shelton should have saved it. So definitely 2 errors before the goal. Tomascheski or the clown as Clough described him put Stilton to shame that evening! Sorry did not realise it was 1-1. It felt like a defeat! I had just passed my driving test in south London the day before and managed to borrow a Morris estate and five of us went up. First ever experience of West End driving and Hyde Park Corner before they had traffic lights! Interesting times! Was hard cheese as far as I was concerned for Stilton That is the problem with Autocorrect on this Ipad
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 15:59:58 GMT
Was hard cheese as far as I was concerned for Stilton That is the problem with Autocorrect on this Ipad Don't worry have the same prob.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 12, 2020 22:16:56 GMT
Them flamboyant players all had chances with England and, apart from Hudson, they barely made an impression. Clough may have been able to deal with those players but there's just as much chance he'd have been unable to do so. The biggest job he ever had was Leeds and he completely fucked it up. A lot of those players in question were given very few caps, there were some very average players who played under Revie who got picked time after time. Revie had his favourites like all managers. Regardless of your ability, if your face didn’t fit with him then you were axed, Hudson is s prime example after his blinder against West Germany. As for Clough at Leeds, those players wouldn’t play for Clough from day one and made it quite clear, so to say Clough fucked it up is well off the mark. If Clough had approached the players with respect instead of insulting them and his predecessor he'd have got a lot more from them. Clough insisted if Taylor had gone with im it would have been different but he knew the score when he took he task. He stated clearly his Leeds sacking was inadvertently one of the best things that happened to him but his tenure was a dismal failure.
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 13, 2020 10:16:16 GMT
What’s your opinion of Revie as England manager? Nobody will ever know whether Clough would have been a success. He was more successful than Revie at club level which doesn’t suggest he’d be a success as the national coach.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 13, 2020 10:24:47 GMT
What’s your opinion of Revie as England manager? Nobody will ever know whether Clough would have been a success. He was more successful than Revie at club level which doesn’t suggest he’d be a success as the national coach. Revie was a poor England manager. His methods couldn’t translate to international football. Domestically there wasn’t much between the two of them. But in Europe Clough eclipses Don.
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Post by logdog on Apr 14, 2020 14:05:15 GMT
A lot of those players in question were given very few caps, there were some very average players who played under Revie who got picked time after time. Revie had his favourites like all managers. Regardless of your ability, if your face didn’t fit with him then you were axed, Hudson is s prime example after his blinder against West Germany. As for Clough at Leeds, those players wouldn’t play for Clough from day one and made it quite clear, so to say Clough fucked it up is well off the mark. If Clough had approached the players with respect instead of insulting them and his predecessor he'd have got a lot more from them. Clough insisted if Taylor had gone with im it would have been different but he knew the score when he took he task. He stated clearly his Leeds sacking was inadvertently one of the best things that happened to him but his tenure was a dismal failure. Clough & Taylor was the classic good cop, bad cop partnership and without each other neither was as effective. Cloughie’s biggest mistake was not kissing & making up with Taylor and taking him to Leeds with him. He knew this too but just as his stubbornness made him the great manager he was, it was his undoing at Elland Road.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 14, 2020 19:31:03 GMT
What’s your opinion of Revie as England manager? Nobody will ever know whether Clough would have been a success. He was more successful than Revie at club level which doesn’t suggest he’d be a success as the national coach. Revie was a poor England manager. His methods couldn’t translate to international football. Domestically there wasn’t much between the two of them. But in Europe Clough eclipses Don. I think what was astonishing about Leeds, was how many times they came second. They seemed to push at all competitions equally, with the typically small squads of the day. They were certainly ‘done’ out of the ECWC in 73 and EC in 75. Without doubt should have won more. I think Clough spent more in one summer in 74 than Revie spent in the previous 13 years. When you look at Revie’s Scottish signings at schoolboy level and lower league (Jordan, McQueen), I think it’s fair to say not many did better than that for the money spent. If Revie had valued a top class goalkeeper like Clough and Waddo, then maybe things might have been different.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 15, 2020 8:23:22 GMT
Revie was a poor England manager. His methods couldn’t translate to international football. Domestically there wasn’t much between the two of them. But in Europe Clough eclipses Don. I think what was astonishing about Leeds, was how many times they came second. They seemed to push at all competitions equally, with the typically small squads of the day. They were certainly ‘done’ out of the ECWC in 73 and EC in 75. Without doubt should have won more. I think Clough spent more in one summer in 74 than Revie spent in the previous 13 years. When you look at Revie’s Scottish signings at schoolboy level and lower league (Jordan, McQueen), I think it’s fair to say not many did better than that for the money spent. If Revie had valued a top class goalkeeper like Clough and Waddo, then maybe things might have been different. Their missing out on trophies is a factor in their ongoing siege mentality. Being ripped off so badly at key moments exacerbates their aggrieved stance. Revie admitted once Sparkes had been costly. I dunno if it was before his corruption allegations.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 16, 2020 12:13:48 GMT
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Apr 17, 2020 9:48:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 9:51:31 GMT
RIP - only really seen him watching old re-runs of games but an old school defender cut from the same cloth of our own Denis Smith, Larry Lloyd etc.
Sad loss x
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2020 10:01:03 GMT
Very sad and looked so good for his age RIP Big man a golden age for leds and stoke city and some titanic games
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 17, 2020 10:07:32 GMT
Such sad news. RIP
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Post by peekay67 on Apr 17, 2020 10:10:41 GMT
A proper defender. RIP pal.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 17, 2020 10:12:49 GMT
Dreadful news RIP Norman
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 17, 2020 10:13:44 GMT
Everyone will remember him for being a hard man. But never forget he was a bloody dam good player.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 17, 2020 10:18:31 GMT
Desperately sad news. RIP Norman.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 17, 2020 10:34:55 GMT
Really sad to hear this.
Actually met him a couple of times, once as a kid when I got his autograph but much later as a adult in Leeds at a social event, had a chat and seemed like a lovely down to earth guy.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Apr 17, 2020 11:02:55 GMT
Rip Norman, as a defender yourself and Denis Smith we’re my role models. A sad loss.
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Post by maine on Apr 17, 2020 11:30:57 GMT
RIP Norman. I was one of the few who rather admired that Leeds team. Norman only had one foot, but could do most everything with it. Hard, yes of course, but in a way you could call him a genuine ball-playing central defender.
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Post by lordb on Apr 17, 2020 11:37:22 GMT
RIP
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Apr 17, 2020 11:39:04 GMT
1968 April 23rd I believe
Stoke 3 Leeds 2
Dobing hat trick
Who scored for Leeds? 🤔 JG
Mr Hunter played
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 17, 2020 11:51:07 GMT
As a little nugget of useless information... he was nicknamed Bites yer legs because a banner at the fa cup final said ‘Norman bites yer legs’ and the tv cameras did a close up on it.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 17, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
Sad news
RIP
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 17, 2020 14:39:28 GMT
As a little nugget of useless information... he was nicknamed Bites yer legs because a banner at the fa cup final said ‘Norman bites yer legs’ and the tv cameras did a close up on it.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 17, 2020 15:56:24 GMT
Hard as nails as a player but apparantly an absolute gentleman off the field
RIP Norman
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Post by neddy on Apr 17, 2020 16:21:08 GMT
RIP Norman......one of my abiding memories was that altercation he had with Francis Lee.
Great player and one we would have hero worshipped like some of our own had he have played for us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 17:23:18 GMT
RIP Norman.
Sincere condolences to all of his family and friends.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 17, 2020 17:27:03 GMT
A proper dirty hard bastard of the great Leeds team of the 70s RIP to a LUFC Legend
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