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Post by Davef on Mar 17, 2020 16:18:00 GMT
Concur with "mateythestokeie' that the easiest solution is to complete seasons games behind closed doors. My rationale for this is as follows: We don't know how long this situation is going to exist or if its going to get worst. The players are young, and I haven't heard of whole, or major parts of squads isolated, and in the past some squads have had several players out with flu and matches have continued. The players/teams have endured a long season, and with the normal end just weeks away they should should be able to get their just rewards (champions, promoted etc) then have a break. The club (Stoke) (and many others) already have the majority of their money banked from season ticket sales, and as a paying supporter I don't mind losing the fee paid for the last few games. I'm sure clubs have their own testing regimes, and isolation plans, therefore two teams coming together would pose little threat to health. Matches could be broadcast on radio, TV, and streamed which would give some entertainment to those footy fans isolating at home. In due course the new season would eventually start without and 'what ifs' should the this season be abandoned or reduced. As the post an hour or so after yours (from Vadiation_Ribe ) shows (so i appreciate that you wouldn't have seen it before posting), there's only about 4 Prem clubs that are even training at the moment. Unless clubs suddenly go back in within the next few days (which seems incredibly unlikely, given that the govt. advice is for everyone to stay indoors apart from for essential travel etc.) then when they do go back, they'd need weeks to get back to fitness before they could then resume to finish the season. Any idea of "playing behind closed doors" is 100% completely gone now i'd say. It's either extend this season into the next one, or finish it now. You can't have big promotion and relegation battles played behind closed doors. Our next two home games are (were) Middlesbrough and Barnsley. Would you truly be happy playing those without 18-20,000 Stoke fans backing the team?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 17, 2020 16:21:22 GMT
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Post by NorwichStokie on Mar 17, 2020 16:30:55 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51909518This is not unexpected, but it looks like they'll be refunding the tickets and doing a new lottery. UEFA's statement ends "Further information on the refund process will be communicated by UEFA to existing ticket buyers via e-mail and on euro2020.com/tickets." Pretty gutted as I had tickets for and England group game and for final.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 17, 2020 16:33:50 GMT
As the post an hour or so after yours (from Vadiation_Ribe ) shows (so i appreciate that you wouldn't have seen it before posting), there's only about 4 Prem clubs that are even training at the moment. Unless clubs suddenly go back in within the next few days (which seems incredibly unlikely, given that the govt. advice is for everyone to stay indoors apart from for essential travel etc.) then when they do go back, they'd need weeks to get back to fitness before they could then resume to finish the season. Any idea of "playing behind closed doors" is 100% completely gone now i'd say. It's either extend this season into the next one, or finish it now. You can't have big promotion and relegation battles played behind closed doors. Our next two home games are (were) Middlesbrough and Barnsley. Would you truly be happy playing those without 18-20,000 Stoke fans backing the team?
Nope and as i said, without clubs even being in training then there's no way that finishing the season behind closed doors is going to happen, now that restrictions on "free movement" (fuck it, no one cares about Brexit at the moment, so i'm nicking the term) are becoming tighter across the country.
No-one is going to say "Right, we're basically advising all theatres, pubs, restaurants etc. etc. to close completely and everyone who is able to should stay indoors apart from essential travel....well, apart from you football blokes. You just carry on regardless and go and play a game of footy". Things are escalating by the day, not lessening, so we won't be seeing any footy at all for quite a while i don't think.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 17, 2020 16:40:19 GMT
You can't have big promotion and relegation battles played behind closed doors. Our next two home games are (were) Middlesbrough and Barnsley. Would you truly be happy playing those without 18-20,000 Stoke fans backing the team? Nope and as i said, without clubs even being in training then there's no way that finishing the season behind closed doors is going to happen, now that restrictions on "free movement" (fuck it, no one cares about Brexit at the moment, so i'm nicking the term) are becoming tighter across the country. No-one is going to say "Right, we're basically advising all theatres, pubs, restaurants etc. etc. to close completely and everyone who is able to should stay indoors apart from essential travel....well, apart from you football blokes. You just carry on regardless and go and play a game of footy". Things are escalating by the day, not lessening, so we won't be seeing any footy at all for quite a while i don't think.
I agree and with the need to do a mini pre-season before completing the outstanding games we are probably looking at 8 weeks from a resumption of training to complete the season. I think it highly unlikely we could get all this done before the scheduled start of next season.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Mar 17, 2020 17:25:12 GMT
The government said at one point that up to a fifth of the workforce could be off at any one time. Imagine playing a relegation 6-pointer if your best players were amongst that fifth. It'd be impossible to regulate whether going ahead with a tie was fair or not. Anyway, we should be happy if this season was expunged from the records. We'd treat it like a squad character building exercise and go again next season all the stronger for it. Besides, it'd be a chuckle at the expense of Liverpool, Leeds and Crewe (and Coventry, in my case) for having their titles cruelly snatched away from them. That sounds like an amusing outcome to me.
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Post by werrington on Mar 17, 2020 17:52:19 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June Does that count ours, or EU Europe leagues? Either way, I'm not sure they can commit to that. All it takes is one or two to get it, it will spread like wildfire and we're back to square one. Closed doors or not, I find that quite irresponsible.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 17, 2020 17:58:55 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June That's the same as Japan announcing that they're committed to the Olympics still going ahead Wezza. Neither are ever going to happen, it's just PR
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Post by right on Mar 17, 2020 18:02:29 GMT
Maybe there will be a playoff for the top and bottom based on how close teams are in the standings? Probably too complicated
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Post by werrington on Mar 17, 2020 18:09:57 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June Does that count ours, or EU Europe leagues? Either way, I'm not sure they can commit to that. All it takes is one or two to get it, it will spread like wildfire and we're back to square one. Closed doors or not, I find that quite irresponsible.
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Post by palerider on Mar 17, 2020 18:12:02 GMT
Not a perfect solution but why not promote those teams already in position and have no relegation then the numbers can be corrected the following season With more teams been relegated,
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 17, 2020 18:19:24 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June Yes, "if the situation improves". Which it won't.
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 17, 2020 18:20:10 GMT
My view all along has been...forget about this season, and the next. There will be no football at all in 2020 now, and likely not for the first half of 2021 either.
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Post by werrington on Mar 17, 2020 18:21:33 GMT
All European leagues committed to finishing by 30th June Yes, "if the situation improves". Which it won't. You don’t know that
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 17, 2020 18:28:41 GMT
we will be lucky if our season finishes on that date if the government are right about reaching the peak of this damn thing they reckon 2-3 months putting it at May or June and with 9 games still to play at a couple of matches a week that will be another month so if it peaks in June no chance in May possible
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 17, 2020 19:07:07 GMT
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Post by Boothen on Mar 17, 2020 19:25:42 GMT
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Post by Scrotnig on Mar 17, 2020 19:47:17 GMT
Yes, "if the situation improves". Which it won't. You don’t know that You're right of course, I don't. However it's a pretty safe bet this isn't all just going to disappear by 30th June.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
It is painfully apparent that there will be a considerable delay before the game is resumed.
There already seems to be a lobby for terminating this season, which seems extremely unfair to those who have performed well and are hoping to win competitions or achieve promotion. Similarly it is extremely generous to those who would be relegated had events run to their conclusion.
If there is to be a satisfactory solution all parties involved have to accept they have to make sacrifices however painful. Authorities, clubs, fans, players, media, and all engaged in staging football have to be magnanimous and work towards a compromise.
I think the season should be resumed and concluded in due course when conditions permit, which I realise may be some considerable time away. This will bring issues like players contracts but that is an example of where the sacrifices have to be made.
The major impact will of course be the effect on the 2020-2021 season. I think after a short break at the end of this season, the next season could be shortened by reducing the amount of fixtures. I suggest: 1. The Premier should remain at 20 teams, but not participate in the League Cup and join the FA Cup at round 4, and forego a mid season break. 2. The EFL should for one season split into 4 divisions instead of the Championship plus 2., and not have any play-offs, but promote and relegate the top and bottom 3 teams between the PL and Championship.
There would be all manner of problems and issues, but they should be resolved with the right constructive attitude. Surely what I propose is better than some clubs, players, and fans being savagely denied the success they have earned to date, whilst others escape their deserved fate.
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 17, 2020 20:45:56 GMT
How would you break the EFL into 4 divisions ? how many teams per division, how many teams drop from the champ 1 lets say into the champ 2 and so on, this would then place stoke possibly relegated into the champ 2 ?. Personally this season should be just scrapped and start again next season if possible, perhaps start the season with the teams in the positions they are in now with the point differences between each team has they are now.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 17, 2020 20:51:03 GMT
It is painfully apparent that there will be a considerable delay before the game is resumed. There already seems to be a lobby for terminating this season, which seems extremely unfair to those who have performed well and are hoping to win competitions or achieve promotion. Similarly it is extremely generous to those who would be relegated had events run to their conclusion. If there is to be a satisfactory solution all parties involved have to accept they have to make sacrifices however painful. Authorities, clubs, fans, players, media, and all engaged in staging football have to be magnanimous and work towards a compromise. I think the season should be resumed and concluded in due course when conditions permit, which I realise may be some considerable time away. This will bring issues like players contracts but that is an example of where the sacrifices have to be made. The major impact will of course be the effect on the 2020-2021 season. I think after a short break at the end of this season, the next season could be shortened by reducing the amount of fixtures. I suggest: 1. The Premier should remain at 20 teams, but not participate in the League Cup and join the FA Cup at round 4, and forego a mid season break. 2. The EFL should for one season split into 4 divisions instead of the Championship plus 2., and not have any play-offs, but promote and relegate the top and bottom 3 teams between the PL and Championship. There would be all manner of problems and issues, but they should be resolved with the right constructive attitude. Surely what I propose is better than some clubs, players, and fans being savagely denied the success they have earned to date, whilst others escape their deserved fate. Whatever happens the current season must be played out however long this takes. This is likely to mean some inventive thinking about how next season is played to allow everything to be back in line for August 2021. This would be very messy if we changed the EFL to 4 divisions for one season only, while keeping the Premier League at 20 teams and excusing them the 3rd Round of the FA Cup would effectively only save 1 fixture as they already don't put out proper teams for the League Cup. A more pragmatic solution may be to switch to playing each other only once rather than home and away just for one season. This would allow a really significant extension to this season, which is likely to be required, while maintaining the structural integrity of the leagues. Every option will come with difficulties but this I feel would have many more pros than cons.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2020 20:55:42 GMT
How would you break the EFL into 4 divisions ? how many teams per division, how many teams drop from the champ 1 lets say into the champ 2 and so on, this would then place stoke possibly relegated into the champ 2 ?. Personally this season should be just scrapped and start again next season if possible, perhaps start the season with the teams in the positions they are in now with the point differences between each team has they are now. Instead of 3 leagues of 24, 4 leagues of 18, so the shortened 2020-2021 season is reduced to 34 games plus cup matches. The bottom 6 teams would be relegated from the Championship to League 1. As I said there would have to be painful sacrifices.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 17, 2020 21:04:56 GMT
They will play out the season whenever it is practically possible.
Only right and proper.
If for example, this doesn't finish until December, they will then organise special cup competitions for the remaining five months of the conventional season.
Wartime scenario.
Player's contracts will be the least of the worries imo.
The overpaid tosspots may have a slightly different thinking on things by that stage.
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 17, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
IMHO the season is now over and will not be resumed. The leagues will finish as they are with Liverpool as Champions. There may have to be some radical solution for the promotion and relegation issues. I do not think football will resume this year. Season 2020/2021 may have to be abandoned. Life is more important than football in spite of what Bill Shankly thought.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2020 21:06:44 GMT
It is painfully apparent that there will be a considerable delay before the game is resumed. There already seems to be a lobby for terminating this season, which seems extremely unfair to those who have performed well and are hoping to win competitions or achieve promotion. Similarly it is extremely generous to those who would be relegated had events run to their conclusion. If there is to be a satisfactory solution all parties involved have to accept they have to make sacrifices however painful. Authorities, clubs, fans, players, media, and all engaged in staging football have to be magnanimous and work towards a compromise. I think the season should be resumed and concluded in due course when conditions permit, which I realise may be some considerable time away. This will bring issues like players contracts but that is an example of where the sacrifices have to be made. The major impact will of course be the effect on the 2020-2021 season. I think after a short break at the end of this season, the next season could be shortened by reducing the amount of fixtures. I suggest: 1. The Premier should remain at 20 teams, but not participate in the League Cup and join the FA Cup at round 4, and forego a mid season break. 2. The EFL should for one season split into 4 divisions instead of the Championship plus 2., and not have any play-offs, but promote and relegate the top and bottom 3 teams between the PL and Championship. There would be all manner of problems and issues, but they should be resolved with the right constructive attitude. Surely what I propose is better than some clubs, players, and fans being savagely denied the success they have earned to date, whilst others escape their deserved fate. Whatever happens the current season must be played out however long this takes. This is likely to mean some inventive thinking about how next season is played to allow everything to be back in line for August 2021. This would be very messy if we changed the EFL to 4 divisions for one season only, while keeping the Premier League at 20 teams and excusing them the 3rd Round of the FA Cup would effectively only save 1 fixture as they already don't put out proper teams for the League Cup. A more pragmatic solution may be to switch to playing each other only once rather than home and away just for one season. This would allow a really significant extension to this season, which is likely to be required, while maintaining the structural integrity of the leagues. Every option will come with difficulties but this I feel would have many more pros than cons. A good idea. Any "solution" will be fraught with problems, but I think just scrapping this season is extremely unsporting. As for the Prem. they would have to play twice a week, every week. It's tough at the top, or so it should be. Top footballers get it easy these days. Poor old Klopp would have to use all his squad regularly. I remember when clubs played on Christmas Day and played the reverse fixture on Boxing Day, and there were no motorways, they travelled by train.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 17, 2020 21:24:37 GMT
Any idea when purchased tickets will be refunded?
I bough 7 for Wigan (sad face)
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Post by oldpotter1950 on Mar 17, 2020 23:32:24 GMT
According to BBC text championship clubs are unanimously behind trying to complete the season. Apparently all 24 clubs have had a video conference today and this follows a similar meeting on monday,the current 6 top placed teams agreed their desire to play the remaining fixtures. Only 3 other clubs have supported this .so where does that leave us,I think if push came to shove how this season has gone a lot of people would rather we just cancelled this season.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 17, 2020 23:42:58 GMT
They can say what they want. People being isolated this weekend due to being at risk won't be out of isolation until June. Twelve weeks wasn't a random timeframe: it's the time required to go past the infection peak in two months and out the other side.
No way will football clubs even begin to start training again until June at the very earliest.
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Post by Gods on Mar 17, 2020 23:53:18 GMT
The Emergency Services sometimes talk about how surreal it is to arrive at the scene of a horrendous car crash to find the car radio is still banging some cheery ditties.
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