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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 9, 2020 7:07:49 GMT
Remember when we got relegated and got absolutely rinsed paying way over the odds for Afobe, Ince, Woods and company? I don't particularly want to sell Campbell but if we played hardball and extracted big money out of Bournemouth then that would be nice.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:12:05 GMT
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Post by pavel on Sept 9, 2020 7:12:05 GMT
Ye get rid of him and play Gregory and sicknote ( Fletcher) up front , onwards and upwards They're not my thoughts. I'm trying to paraphrase what the manager and club might be thinking. If we keep him, it doesn't mean we're automatically going to be successful and if we sell, the opposite way around does it? The biggest issue this club has brought about itself is buying and selling the wrong players and creating a squad that doesn't fit what the manager wants. If selling Campbell and bringing in Brown creates more of a team and squad that the manager wants in terms of certain attributes he's identified then that will be doing things the right way around for a change - even if we don't agree with the minutiae of each deal. Much of what you say may be true but what does it leave us with, a fast winger/ striker who doesn’t score goals ( if we get him) 2 old strikers in Vokes and fletcher and another striker who doesn’t score goals. Plus selling a proven goal scorer to a promotion rival. Doesn’t make sense to me and it’s a big if it will balance the squad or just further diminish our scoring prowess.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:15:31 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2020 7:15:31 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him?
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Sept 9, 2020 7:20:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 7:20:09 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? I think we’d have to wouldn’t we? As much it would pain me....
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Sept 9, 2020 7:20:53 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2020 7:20:53 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? I think we’d have to wouldn’t we? As much it would pain me.... In my opinion yes mate
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2020 7:21:39 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? I think we’d have to wouldn’t we? As much it would pain me.... Yeah - realistically 20 would be a no-brainer in our situation. Just wonder how much lower than that we'd take (assuming the interest is real) Maybe 15 or 16 guaranteed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 7:24:15 GMT
They're not my thoughts. I'm trying to paraphrase what the manager and club might be thinking. If we keep him, it doesn't mean we're automatically going to be successful and if we sell, the opposite way around does it? The biggest issue this club has brought about itself is buying and selling the wrong players and creating a squad that doesn't fit what the manager wants. If selling Campbell and bringing in Brown creates more of a team and squad that the manager wants in terms of certain attributes he's identified then that will be doing things the right way around for a change - even if we don't agree with the minutiae of each deal. Much of what you say may be true but what does it leave us with, a fast winger/ striker who doesn’t score goals ( if we get him) 2 old strikers in Vokes and fletcher and another striker who doesn’t score goals. Plus selling a proven goal scorer to a promotion rival. Doesn’t make sense to me and it’s a big if it will balance the squad or just further diminish our scoring prowess. It depends totally on where the manager wants to take the team by his own design though doesn't it? Not every signing is made in order of where the end goal is and the end goal is not often achieved in one or two windows. If this is part of the bigger plan then the manager has to be backed, if the process is solid enough of course. I personally wouldn't sell Campbell and certainly not for 10M but if FFP is screaming at us and the manager needs the money to move the squad around to get more of his type of players then we have to do it don't we? Look at it another way. If we could sell Campbell for 15M and bring in Brown for 2M then it is a 13M swing in our favour on the right wing position, with maybe a bit of that money being able to be used elsewhere. That's the way the Brentford process works at it's core and that's the way we will have to go if we are to generate enough cash to re-build from the awkward position we've put ourselves in.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2020 7:25:43 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? Of course, but no one is paying 20 million for him
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Sept 9, 2020 7:28:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 7:28:25 GMT
Much of what you say may be true but what does it leave us with, a fast winger/ striker who doesn’t score goals ( if we get him) 2 old strikers in Vokes and fletcher and another striker who doesn’t score goals. Plus selling a proven goal scorer to a promotion rival. Doesn’t make sense to me and it’s a big if it will balance the squad or just further diminish our scoring prowess. It depends totally on where the manager wants to take the team by his own design though doesn't it? Not every signing is made in order of where the end goal is and the end goal is not often achieved in one or two windows. If this is part of the bigger plan then the manager has to be backed, if the process is solid enough of course. I personally wouldn't sell Campbell and certainly not for 10M but if FFP is screaming at us and the manager needs the money to move the squad around to get more of his type of players then we have to do it don't we? Look at it another way. If we could sell Campbell for 15M and bring in Brown for 2M then it is a 13M swing in our favour on the right wing position, with maybe a bit of that money being able to be used elsewhere. That's the way the Brentford process works at it's core and that's the way we will have to go if we are to generate enough cash to re-build from the awkward position we've put ourselves in. I agree, every player should have a price and there should be a succession plan with 3/4 options for every position. That’s what a successful scouting and recruitment system looks like, and it’s the reality for about 88 of the 92 league clubs.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2020 7:29:33 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? Of course, but no one is paying 20 million for him Yeah, sadly there's no way they'd pay that. Brewster is being mentioned at that figure in the Prem - and he's more high-profile. Best we could probably get to, even with a bulging Bournemouth wallet, is mid-teens mill?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2020 7:31:27 GMT
I'd love to see Comical Tony defend this one.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:32:22 GMT
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Post by RAF on Sept 9, 2020 7:32:22 GMT
Of course, but no one is paying 20 million for him Yeah, sadly there's no way they'd pay that. Brewster is being mentioned at that figure in the Prem - and he's more high-profile. Best we could probably get to, even with a bulging Bournemouth wallet, is mid-teens mill? I don't know , they paid 15 mill for Jordan Ibe 4 years ago and I rate Campbell over him. H
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2020 7:33:43 GMT
Yeah, sadly there's no way they'd pay that. Brewster is being mentioned at that figure in the Prem - and he's more high-profile. Best we could probably get to, even with a bulging Bournemouth wallet, is mid-teens mill? I don't know , they paid 15 mill for Jordan Ibe 4 years ago and I rate Campbell over him. H Also £19 million for Solanke😄
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 9, 2020 7:36:51 GMT
I'd love to see Comical Tony defend this one. We almost certainly have to sell someone for money, even more so now that we appear struggling to offload players, to stay within whatever FFP requirements are put in place and to provide some funds for MON. With Butland stuck, Allen injured and Ince out of form, Clucas and Campbell are our only marketable assets. £10 million would provide some space to pay for the £15 million burden we have to cover this season because of Rowett and Jones' transfer dealings
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2020 7:37:52 GMT
Yeah, sadly there's no way they'd pay that. Brewster is being mentioned at that figure in the Prem - and he's more high-profile. Best we could probably get to, even with a bulging Bournemouth wallet, is mid-teens mill? I don't know , they paid 15 mill for Jordan Ibe 4 years ago and I rate Campbell over him. H In hindsight, yeah. But just checked and the season before they paid that for him he'd played 41 games for Liverpool. And when they went crazy for Solanke, he'd already played for the England senior team and won the best player award at the u20 World Cup. For all Campbell's potential, he's basically only played half a season in the Championship.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:40:48 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2020 7:40:48 GMT
I don't know , they paid 15 mill for Jordan Ibe 4 years ago and I rate Campbell over him. H Also £19 million for Solanke😄 The players mentioned have/had far more pedigree
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2020 7:41:25 GMT
I'd love to see Comical Tony defend this one. We almost certainly have to sell someone for money, even more so now that we appear struggling to offload players, to stay within whatever FFP requirements are put in place and to provide some funds for MON. With Butland stuck, Allen injured and Ince out of form, Clucas and Campbell are our only marketable assets. £10 million would provide some space to pay for the £15 million burden we have to cover this season because of Rowett and Jones' transfer dealings You've missed the name of one person from the 'transfer team' still unfathomably employed by the club in your final sentence. There is no indication that we need' to sell Campbell at all and even if we do, for once, we hold all the cards. £10M would be gross negligence.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:41:56 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2020 7:41:56 GMT
Also £19 million for Solanke😄 The players mentioned have/had far more pedigree Fair comment mate but for me they paid way over the odds for both
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 9, 2020 7:42:07 GMT
I think you’d have to take £15m +.
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Post by Gods on Sept 9, 2020 7:42:33 GMT
I'd love to see Comical Tony defend this one. We almost certainly have to sell someone for money, even more so now that we appear struggling to offload players, to stay within whatever FFP requirements are put in place and to provide some funds for MON. With Butland stuck, Allen injured and Ince out of form, Clucas and Campbell are our only marketable assets. £10 million would provide some space to pay for the £15 million burden we have to cover this season because of Rowett and Jones' transfer dealings I think you have hit on the uncomfortable truth there. I dread to think what our finances must look like never mind FFP. £150 million in debt ? Who knows. Almost zero revenue coming in over the Covid months.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 7:46:02 GMT
We almost certainly have to sell someone for money, even more so now that we appear struggling to offload players, to stay within whatever FFP requirements are put in place and to provide some funds for MON. With Butland stuck, Allen injured and Ince out of form, Clucas and Campbell are our only marketable assets. £10 million would provide some space to pay for the £15 million burden we have to cover this season because of Rowett and Jones' transfer dealings You've missed the name of one person from the 'transfer team' still unfathomably employed by the club in your final sentence. There is no indication that we need' to sell Campbell at all and even if we do, for once, we hold all the cards. £10M would be gross negligence. Basic maths tells you we need to sell to sort out any FFP deficit (if that exists yet?) and to move the squad around for O'Neill. It's clear he's desperate to bring in fresh blood. The bigger point you are bang on the money with. The situation we've put ourselves in is square on the shoulders of the owners and Scholes with their non existent transfer policy that has put us right in this mess. If you think it's bad this season, wait until next season when our money drops to the equivalent of a rotten mars bar down the back of your sofa.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 9, 2020 7:46:24 GMT
Selling Tyrese now would be an absolute disaster.
When he bags 15+ in the league this season his value will be double.
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Sept 9, 2020 7:46:29 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2020 7:46:29 GMT
I don't know , they paid 15 mill for Jordan Ibe 4 years ago and I rate Campbell over him. H In hindsight, yeah. But just checked and the season before they paid that for him he'd played 41 games for Liverpool. And when they went crazy for Solanke, he'd already played for the England senior team and won the best player award at the u20 World Cup. For all Campbell's potential, he's basically only played half a season in the Championship. Campbell has scored a lot more senior goals than Solanke. He looks a better prospect to me. If we sell for less than 20 million we are mugs. People talking about Brown being a replacement, the lad has shown nothing like what Campbell already has. We are talking about a twenty year old already showing he's a natural goalscorer at champs level. If he plays most games next season he will score twenty goals, at fucking 21 years old. lord knows why we would value him at under 20 million.... bonkers
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2020 7:53:03 GMT
In hindsight, yeah. But just checked and the season before they paid that for him he'd played 41 games for Liverpool. And when they went crazy for Solanke, he'd already played for the England senior team and won the best player award at the u20 World Cup. For all Campbell's potential, he's basically only played half a season in the Championship. Campbell has scored a lot more senior goals than Solanke. He looks a better prospect to me. If we sell for less than 20 million we are mugs. People talking about Brown being a replacement, the lad has shown nothing like what Campbell already has. We are talking about a twenty year old already showing he's a natural goalscorer at champs level. If he plays most games next season he will score twenty goals, at fucking 21 years old. lord knows why we would value him at under 20 million.... bonkers Well, certainly a front 3 of McClean-Fletcher-Brown doesn't scream goals! And Campbell is the x-factor for us on which I'm basing a lot of hope for the season. But it looks fairly likely that we're going to start 3-5-2 on Saturday (without Campbell?). And we've just spent what for us is a big fee at the moment on someone who's theoretically going to squeeze Tyrese's minutes further. All we can do is trust MON's decision-making as he constructs his squad in the FFP era, which isn't easy with the cards he's been dealt. It may take him a few windows to get the balance he wants, but a big fee like this would potentially free his hands a bit. We don't know if there's any truth in the story - or MON's private views on Campbell, so it's hard to guess what's really going on
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 9, 2020 7:53:56 GMT
we should not sell Tyrese to any championship club, the will get a bag full of goals for us this time, the lad is young and given a good season for us is value would rocket,seen some of the stupid money teams are paying out now, he is our best asset,and we should keep at all costs
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2020 7:55:27 GMT
Also £19 million for Solanke😄 The players mentioned have/had far more pedigree No they haven't, solanke still hasn't scored any fucking goals in men's football 😂
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2020 7:58:54 GMT
Selling Tyrese now would be an absolute disaster. When he bags 15+ in the league this season his value will be double. If he plays 40 games he'll score 20 goals and be worth 40 million, guaranteed. A bid of 15 million or so would be an absolute insult. Maybe now is the time for the club to have a bit of self respect and realise they hold the cards here, there are no other 20 year olds knocking about with that ability at this level. He's clearly going to be a premier league goalscorer for years to come
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Sept 9, 2020 8:02:58 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2020 8:02:58 GMT
The players mentioned have/had far more pedigree No they haven't, solanke still hasn't scored any fucking goals in men's football 😂 Scored a couple after lockdown. Liverpool signed him from Chelsea after winning the golden ball at the Under 20 World Cup as best player and has also been in the England squad. So he does have more pedigree than a player who’s played half a season in the championship. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want us to sell Campbell but to say he’s in that category is wrong.
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Sept 9, 2020 8:07:00 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2020 8:07:00 GMT
No they haven't, solanke still hasn't scored any fucking goals in men's football 😂 Scored a couple after lockdown. Liverpool signed him from Chelsea after winning the golden ball at the Under 20 World Cup as best player and has also been in the England squad. So he does have more pedigree than a player who’s played half a season in the championship. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want us to sell Campbell but to say he’s in that category is wrong. he's in a higher category, scoring in junior football means nothing, he's already played at a higher level than solanke at that age and scored far more goals already than solanke who is two years older. He's a far better player than solanke, anyone can see that. There is no way you sell him for less than they spent on Solanke. He has huge potential. For some reason you haven't taken to him, that is clear from your previous posts. Rhian Brewster is the comparison to use here, they are both worth roughly the same right now
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Sept 9, 2020 8:08:45 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 9, 2020 8:08:45 GMT
The manager not rating the player. That seems like a very strange thing to say when it was O’Neill that gave him his first prolonged run in the team and fought hard to keep him at the club in January when his contract was renewed.
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