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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 19, 2020 12:42:58 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement"We will not introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route. We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust." No more carers,hospitality workers,etc etc then .Should be interesting. Cheap Labour??? So everyone who works in low paid jobs now are classed as cheap Labour by this caring government. Invest in technology and automation And whos going to pay for that? Automation?? So much for brexit increasing the British mans wage then. I need to adjust How many on here qualify? 70 points needed. Characteristics Tradeable Points Offer of job by approved sponsor No 20 Job at appropriate skill level No 20 Speaks English at required level No 10 Salary of £20,480 (minimum) – £23,039 Yes 0 Salary of £23,040 – £25,599 Yes 10 Salary of £25,600 or above Yes 20 Job in a shortage occupation (as designated by the MAC) Yes 20 Education qualification: PhD in subject relevant to the job Yes 10 Education qualification: PhD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Yes 20 The rules for family reunion, asylum and border crossing checks are outside of the points-based system. However, they will remain integral to the transformation of the UK’s new immigration system programme What does that even mean? ...here we go again, moan, moan, whinge, whine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:49:06 GMT
They’ve already defined people earning less than £23k as unskilled though under their new system. You’d have to work a lot of hours at £8.21 an hour to meet that criteria. I’m all for British people filling the void by the way, I just don’t see a strategy for enduring it happens. The reality is that the government will very quickly shift the goalposts and the “unskilled” cared from Lithuania will he replaced by one from Ghana or Malaysia..... Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today. Define a “low skilled” care worker?
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 19, 2020 12:52:40 GMT
Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today. Define a “low skilled” care worker? The OP ...
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:53:12 GMT
Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today. Define a “low skilled” care worker? I have done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:57:15 GMT
Define a “low skilled” care worker? I have done. Someone that dusts in a care home? You defined a cleaner there not a care worker. Someone that changes beds? They don’t employ bed changers in care homes, that’s one of many tasks undertaken by a care worker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:57:17 GMT
Define a “low skilled” care worker? I have done. I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:58:16 GMT
I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers. I said minimal training.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:59:12 GMT
Someone that dusts in a care home? You defined a cleaner there not a care worker. Someone that changes beds? They don’t employ bed changers in care homes, that’s one of many tasks undertaken by a care worker. Semantics 🤷♂️ its care work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:04:38 GMT
I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers. I said minimal training. I think with 'minimal' training you would be a very poor quality care worker.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 19, 2020 13:05:25 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead. #NotMyBrexit Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? Those that do already don't need to go anywhere. In fact those already in industries such as this should be licking their chops as the tap providing an endless supply of low paid non-UK labour is being turned down. In the future it'll probably be a mix of higher wages for this work, more UK nationals working in the sector and social care coming under the existing fast track NHS visa plans.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 13:07:08 GMT
My mum was in a care home until 18 months ago,none of the staff were foreign. My partner is a catering manager and has worked in three nursing/carer homes and all three have many foreign workers. Approx 25% of the social care sector in England is foreign.And there is still expected to be a 200,000 shortfall by the end of this parliament due to brexit. Sounds like utopia to crapslinger,the little England he has always dreamed of.. I take it you exploit sorry employee foreign workers then
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 13:09:30 GMT
I think with 'minimal' training you would be a very poor quality care worker. I'm taking "low" skilled jobs cleaning having a chat delivering food. Then train and retain why does every job need to be high skilled. I was semi skilled on the pots stop making excuses and inventing offence and just be realistic. You mention phd not being enough it depends in what field is it not having a doctorate in music does not qualify you for surgery and it's not a sign of intelligence as its widely accepted it's more of stamina and other qualities
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 19, 2020 13:10:56 GMT
I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers. It won't obviously be removed. If the care home sector has a shortage according to MAC then there are provisions to award 20 points for those type of workers. So, job offer 20, relative skill level 20, speak decent english 10 and work in a sector that's understaffed 20 and you're in. 70.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:11:46 GMT
Someone that dusts in a care home? You defined a cleaner there not a care worker. Someone that changes beds? They don’t employ bed changers in care homes, that’s one of many tasks undertaken by a care worker. Semantics 🤷♂️ its care work. It’s not semantics though is it, because the same person making the bed is washing and cleaning the residents, distributing medicine hundreds of times a day, changing feeding tubes of those who are peg fed, helping with physio routines etc etc. So no it’s not semantics when you choose the most menial task amongst many other tasks to make your point....
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 13:12:53 GMT
I think with 'minimal' training you would be a very poor quality care worker. In reality in the real world not in cloud cuckoo land that is exactly what they get, all you need is a clear DBS check be physically able and off you go, the biggest growth area for employment in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:13:08 GMT
I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers. It won't obviously be removed. If the care home sector has a shortage according to MAC then there are provisions to award 20 points for those type of workers. So, job offer 20, relative skill level 20, speak decent english 10 and work in a sector that's understaffed 20 and you're in. 70. 'Relative skill level' - what does that mean?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:13:48 GMT
I think with 'minimal' training you would be a very poor quality care worker. In reality in the real world not in cloud cuckoo land that is exactly what they get, all you need is a clear DBS check be physically able and off you go, the biggest growth area for employment in the UK. Yep, and it should involve more training than it does, it's a specialised, high skilled job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:14:05 GMT
I think those things you mentioned still take training and time to improve and get to a good level of skill. I think 'low wage' does not necessarily mean 'low skill', and that's my main problem with the new system. Alongside the fact it'll obviously be removed within 2 years when we don't have enough 'low wage' workers. It won't obviously be removed. If the care home sector has a shortage according to MAC then there are provisions to award 20 points for those type of workers. So, job offer 20, relative skill level 20, speak decent english 10 and work in a sector that's understaffed 20 and you're in. 70. So will the same logic apply to Pret-a-Manger for example when they can’t get staff as it does to the care sector? People still need their coffee serving to them after all. Because on that basis we may as well have stuck to the original system if it’s that easy to manipulate.....
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 13:15:01 GMT
Semantics 🤷♂️ its care work. It’s not semantics though is it, because the same person making the bed is washing and cleaning the residents, distributing medicine hundreds of times a day, changing feeding tubes of those who are peg fed, helping with physio routines etc etc. So no it’s not semantics when you choose the most menial task amongst many other tasks to make your point.... So it menial now to care for folk? If I were you I'd stop digging 😁 but to answer your point that's where training and retaining come into play. Like I said semantics and now disparaging to care workers.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 13:18:22 GMT
In reality in the real world not in cloud cuckoo land that is exactly what they get, all you need is a clear DBS check be physically able and off you go, the biggest growth area for employment in the UK. Yep, and it should involve more training than it does, it's a specialised, high skilled job. Of course it is
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 13:20:55 GMT
In reality in the real world not in cloud cuckoo land that is exactly what they get, all you need is a clear DBS check be physically able and off you go, the biggest growth area for employment in the UK. Yep, and it should involve more training than it does, it's a specialised, high skilled job. Not according to one its menial.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
It’s not semantics though is it, because the same person making the bed is washing and cleaning the residents, distributing medicine hundreds of times a day, changing feeding tubes of those who are peg fed, helping with physio routines etc etc. So no it’s not semantics when you choose the most menial task amongst many other tasks to make your point.... So it menial now to care for folk? If I were you I'd stop digging 😁 but to answer your point that's where training and retaining come into play. Like I said semantics and now disparaging to care workers. I said it’s the most menial of the tasks I’ve just listed, and you know it. If a brain surgeon makes the teas and coffees for his team every day it doesn’t make him unskilled all of a sudden. You seem to think there’s a bunch of “unskilled” care workers on minimum wage dusting, making beds and having cosy chats with the residents, whilst the rest of the team do the other stuff. The reality is those minimum wage carers in a lot of cases do everything I’ve mentioned and more whilst earning peanuts. So I think it’s you that’s not got a grasp of the situation here.....
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 13:22:22 GMT
So it menial now to care for folk? If I were you I'd stop digging 😁 but to answer your point that's where training and retaining come into play. Like I said semantics and now disparaging to care workers. I said it’s the most menial of the tasks I’ve just listed, and you know it. So not semantics at all, you seem to think there’s a bunch of “unskilled” care workers on minimum wage dusting, making beds and having cosy chats, whilst the rest of the team do the other stuff. The reality is those minimum wage carers in a lot of cases do everything I’ve mentioned and more whilst in minimum wage. So I think it’s you that’s not got a grasp of the situation here..... I know I'm just being samantic and joshing you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:24:39 GMT
Yep, and it should involve more training than it does, it's a specialised, high skilled job. Of course it is Well I'd like people who are highly skilled to be looking after the elderly myself
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:25:04 GMT
I said it’s the most menial of the tasks I’ve just listed, and you know it. So not semantics at all, you seem to think there’s a bunch of “unskilled” care workers on minimum wage dusting, making beds and having cosy chats, whilst the rest of the team do the other stuff. The reality is those minimum wage carers in a lot of cases do everything I’ve mentioned and more whilst in minimum wage. So I think it’s you that’s not got a grasp of the situation here..... I know I'm just being samantic and joshing you. It’s “semantic” (we can all do semantics) And you know you’re just choosing to ignore all the”skilled” stuff. Whatever amuses you fella......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2020 13:25:22 GMT
It's alright, Priti Vacant is going to get the sick of their sick beds to care for the sick.
Fucking idiot
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 13:28:54 GMT
I know I'm just being samantic and joshing you. It’s “semantic” (we can all do semantics) And you know you’re just choosing to ignore all the”skilled” stuff. Whatever amuses you fella...... Ouch I'm not the one talking down care workers you are. I'm ignoring nothing now who's being "semantic" again 👍 sorry I dont have a phd 🙄 Edit: or is it pedantic not sure which it is but you know what I mean.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 19, 2020 13:38:46 GMT
Priti Patel has just been on the radio, banging on about 8m non active British citizens that could be working. Reporter pointed out that 2m are students, 2m carers, 2m long term sick & just shy of 2m pensioners. Silly Priti! So then IDS comes on saying that he used to talk to British employers about why they employed foreign rather than British & they said they couldn’t find enough with the skill sets to do the work. “Well why not train them”, he asked. “Too expensive”
Well WTF didn’t you incentivise them.
Socialism is alive & well, as long as you’re business. State sponsored capitalism💷
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2020 13:42:13 GMT
Priti Patel has just been on the radio, banging on about 8m non active British citizens that could be working. Reporter pointed out that 2m are students, 2m carers, 2m long term sick & just shy of 2m pensioners. Silly Priti! So then IDS comes on saying that he used to talk to British employers about why they employed foreign rather than British & they said they couldn’t find enough with the skill sets to do the work. “Well why not train them”, he asked. “Too expensive” Well WTF didn’t you incentivise them. Socialism is alive & well, as long as you’re business. State sponsored capitalism💷 She really is as thick as pigshit. The truth is it is dog whistle politics and damn the consequences. There isn't a plan to mitigate. Her and her family wont be affected by 300,000 missing health and social care workers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:43:52 GMT
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