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Post by Gods on Feb 15, 2020 11:23:14 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money.
I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done.
What do you think? It's your money!
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Post by chuffedstokie on Feb 15, 2020 13:30:19 GMT
Probably best to keep it in house. We managed HS1 without them and that works pretty well.
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Post by felonious on Feb 15, 2020 13:36:51 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money. I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done. What do you think? It's your money! Someone posted on here that contractors were charging twice the price for HS2 and working half the hours so it's got to be worth a look if the rip off merchants are in town. |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 15, 2020 13:50:26 GMT
Probably best to keep it in house. We managed HS1 without them and that works pretty well. Is this irony... |
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 15, 2020 13:55:47 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money. I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done. What do you think? It's your money! Someone posted on here that contractors were charging twice the price for HS2 and working half the hours so it's got to be worth a look if the rip off merchants are in town. I have to agree, cutting the time frame itself would be a huge boost and also this isn't the odd grand or two of savings, it could possibly save billions and like others have said the amount of money some companies and people working on the project are charging it would be crazy not to look at what China have to offer. |
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 15, 2020 14:14:36 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money. I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done. What do you think? It's your money! I'm guessing that with the huge projects they have built in China they haven't had to contend with Unions, eco warriors wanting to save newts and a labour force wanting a decent wage. They've got no chance in bringing it home cheaper and in the time frame they say unless they drive a big Chinese stagecoach through those three things and it just ain't going to happen. |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2020 14:29:15 GMT
Will it be a Chinese company using uk contractors or fully Chinese
The devil is in the detail but the Chinese do seem quite expert in these new large infrastructure developments
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Post by Gods on Feb 15, 2020 14:53:41 GMT
Will it be a Chinese company using uk contractors or fully Chinese The devil is in the detail but the Chinese do seem quite expert in these new large infrastructure developments They do for sure get stuff done, but is it because they just, railroad, pardon the pun, things through without caring about anyone or any regulation I suppose is the question. |
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Post by felonious on Feb 15, 2020 18:04:40 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money. I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done. What do you think? It's your money!
They've got no chance in bringing it home cheaper and in the time frame they say unless they drive a big Chinese stagecoach through those three things and it just ain't going to happen. Yeah the poor deluded buggers haven't met Lilfraise yet  |
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 17, 2020 3:32:24 GMT
Probably best to keep it in house. We managed HS1 without them and that works pretty well. Was that a Carillion job?..... |
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 17, 2020 3:33:42 GMT
Will it be a Chinese company using uk contractors or fully Chinese The devil is in the detail but the Chinese do seem quite expert in these new large infrastructure developments Always Chinese companies. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Feb 17, 2020 8:56:20 GMT
Probably best to keep it in house. We managed HS1 without them and that works pretty well. Was that a Carillion job?..... It was a consortium of four companies under the banner of Rail Link Engineering. St Pancras alone was £500m. |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 17, 2020 9:25:32 GMT
The Chinese reckon they can knock the thing up in 5 years, half the time, for less money. I suppose it may well be true but from what I understand they don't normally let a lot of democracy get in the way of their projects back home, if you have a City which will lose it's river because of a dam construction say it's kind of 'hard luck lads' or if a few Bengali construction workers fall to their death it tends to be viewed as a bit of collateral damage and a small price to pay to get the blasted thing done. What do you think? It's your money! Someone posted on here that contractors were charging twice the price for HS2 and working half the hours so it's got to be worth a look if the rip off merchants are in town. Isnt higher wages one of the benefits of brexit?If so why are we looking to import foreign cheap Labour?  |
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 17, 2020 10:05:53 GMT
The Union Pacific, an enormous ambitious project at the time, was built by using cheap Chinese labour. Thousands died and to this day there remains a massive Chinese population in the USof A.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 17, 2020 10:26:50 GMT
Was that a Carillion job?..... It was a consortium of four companies under the banner of Rail Link Engineering. St Pancras alone was £500m. Super high risk at those kind of contract values... |
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Post by Gods on Feb 17, 2020 10:43:02 GMT
Someone posted on here that contractors were charging twice the price for HS2 and working half the hours so it's got to be worth a look if the rip off merchants are in town. Isnt higher wages one of the benefits of brexit?If so why are we looking to import foreign cheap Labour? I thought Brexit was about getting cheap shit from low regulation economies such as the BRIC Brazil, Russia, India, China countries rather than places with comprehensive workers rights and quality and trading standards like the EU ? Surely this is where the financial gain from Brexit, if there is to be one, will come. |
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Post by felonious on Feb 17, 2020 12:48:16 GMT
Someone posted on here that contractors were charging twice the price for HS2 and working half the hours so it's got to be worth a look if the rip off merchants are in town. Isnt higher wages one of the benefits of brexit?If so why are we looking to import foreign cheap Labour? I was referring to someone who is self employed therefore not wages to an employee. I'm sure you'll be over the moon if the government is ripped off and the budget escalates but I'm not. |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 17, 2020 13:38:33 GMT
Isnt higher wages one of the benefits of brexit?If so why are we looking to import foreign cheap Labour? I was referring to someone who is self employed therefore not wages to an employee. I'm sure you'll be over the moon if the government is ripped off and the budget escalates but I'm not. The government rips you off on a daily bases but you dont seem to mind that.You keep voting for them. |
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Post by felonious on Feb 17, 2020 14:01:59 GMT
I was referring to someone who is self employed therefore not wages to an employee. I'm sure you'll be over the moon if the government is ripped off and the budget escalates but I'm not. The government rips you off on a daily bases but you dont seem to mind that.You keep voting for them. Bore off  |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 17, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
The government rips you off on a daily bases but you dont seem to mind that.You keep voting for them. Bore off  |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 18, 2020 22:49:34 GMT
HS2 will probably be outdated by the time it's built. We should be creating a maglev line or something, and China know about those. Why can't we learn from other countries' successes and failures? And our own for that matter. Come to think of it, the first commercial maglev train ran from Birmingham.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 4:52:56 GMT
HS2 will probably be outdated by the time it's built. We should be creating a maglev line or something, and China know about those. Why can't we learn from other countries' successes and failures? And our own for that matter. Come to think of it, the first commercial maglev train ran from Birmingham. We need a Monorail like Ogdenville or New Haverbrook |
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