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Post by peekay67 on Jan 21, 2020 10:41:17 GMT
I think everyone was a little apprehensive when MON was named as our new club manager.
He had had success as Northern Ireland manager with limited playing resources, but had only club managed what we would all consider, mediocre sides.
It seems we have found ourselves a very astute, forward thinking manager. It will be interesting how many of previous managers purchases he can turn around into decent players.
Obviously, we are not safe yet, but worries of relegation seem to be receding and we are looking upwards and not downwards.
Thank you sir, for bringing back resilience, passion and pride back to our great club.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 21, 2020 10:48:57 GMT
I think everyone was a little apprehensive when MON was named as our new club manager.He had had success as Northern Ireland manager with limited playing resources, but had only club managed what we would all consider, mediocre sides. It seems we have found ourselves a very astute, forward thinking manager. It will be interesting how many of previous managers purchases he can turn around into decent players. Obviously, we are not safe yet, but worries of relegation seem to be receding and we are looking upwards and not downwards. Thank you sir, for bringing back resilience, passion and pride back to our great club. I wasn't. I was happier with him than the other managers we have appointed since relegation. He seemed humble, modest and competent - which seemed to be what we needed. My main concern was not his ability, but the fact that, because of FFP and some of the high priced, unsaleable disasters we still have at the club, NO ONE might be able to turn us around before another relegation. We still aren't safe, of course, but I still think that MON is better equipped than most to make us safe.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 21, 2020 10:50:03 GMT
I was, however he clearly knows what he is doing, the players have responded. I hope he is good in the transfer market too and he gets the players he wants because that's the potential Achilles heal, we as a club are useless at finding the right players
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 21, 2020 10:53:18 GMT
I think everyone was a little apprehensive when MON was named as our new club manager. He had had success as Northern Ireland manager with limited playing resources, but had only club managed what we would all consider, mediocre sides. It seems we have found ourselves a very astute, forward thinking manager. It will be interesting how many of previous managers purchases he can turn around into decent players. Obviously, we are not safe yet, but worries of relegation seem to be receding and we are looking upwards and not downwards. Thank you sir, for bringing back resilience, passion and pride back to our great club. Thank you Peter for your kind words 😎
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Post by Sven on Jan 21, 2020 10:54:33 GMT
it was a gamble like any appointment but after his very first interview you could just tell that it felt a good fit for us. hes brought an air of calmness and confidence to the club and after the manic goings on under jones its been a breath of fresh air. You can see the players respect and listen to him. Long may it continue. Although if he contines in this vein hes going to be a wanted man.
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Jan 21, 2020 10:55:45 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 21, 2020 10:55:45 GMT
I always knew he was the right man
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Post by greenstokie on Jan 21, 2020 11:03:24 GMT
Shamrock Rovers mediocre? The club's the most successful club in the Republic of Ireland. The club has won the League of Ireland title a record 17 times and the FAI Cup a record 25 times. Shamrock Rovers have supplied more players to the Republic of Ireland national football team (62) than any other club.
Rovers are the Irish equivalent of Liverpool or Man U. When O'Neill arrived they had been in the doldrums for almost two decades. He turned them around winning two titles and qualifying them as the first ever Irish side to the Europa league group stages... Northern Ireland hadn't been to a tournament in 30 years before he took over.
Some Stokies are still slow to understand just how good a manager we've now got.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 21, 2020 11:15:57 GMT
I often smile at the Oatcake posters who call for a manager to be sacked if he fails to immediately achieve success or claim the club have made a mistake.
The fact is no manager has continuous success. Ferguson, Clough, and even Ramsay were all sacked at some point in their careers.
It is said that Ferguson was close to being sacked in his early days at ManU and then went on to achieve their greatest successes in their history. Waddington was never in danger of being sacked, he was well backed by Henshall, but I remember the cries from the crowd to have him sacked in the late 1960s. With today's social media, he would have possibly not survived in the late 60s,with the pressure it brings on club owners. Then what we have won?
I think we might have another Waddington in MON. Let's hope and pray we have.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 21, 2020 11:17:32 GMT
Sky put some stats on last night didn’t they of our recent form under him. Anyone got the photo?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 21, 2020 11:33:19 GMT
I think everyone was a little apprehensive when MON was named as our new club manager. He had had success as Northern Ireland manager with limited playing resources, but had only club managed what we would all consider, mediocre sides. It seems we have found ourselves a very astute, forward thinking manager. It will be interesting how many of previous managers purchases he can turn around into decent players. Obviously, we are not safe yet, but worries of relegation seem to be receding and we are looking upwards and not downwards. Thank you sir, for bringing back resilience, passion and pride back to our great club. I wasn't. It was clear he was a grown up and the best option available to us at the time. I praised the club for being flexible with the Northern Ireland games, unlike most people on here who seemed outraged. We are not out of the woods but he is playing a difficult hand very well. he has made decisions on players and sticks to them for a while but will change gradually if needed so both fullbakcs have been moved on, the Cousins experiemnt has ended and he has integrated Powell and Campbell having been reluctant to do so initially. i also think he is much better at in game mangement, his subs are the best we have seen for some time. if he can keep us up then we will have a chance for the first time in a while
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:39:52 GMT
Let's just see if the feeling stays the same when the NI play offs take place. A lot of people were unhappy about it calling him a part time manager and such. He will be too in the summer should NI qualify. I am sure his coaches will carry out training just fine, but it means recruitment will be off his duties, and that means more power to Scholes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 21, 2020 12:44:11 GMT
Let's just see if the feeling stays the same when the NI play offs take place. A lot of people were unhappy about it calling him a part time manager and such. He will be too in the summer should NI qualify. I am sure his coaches will carry out training just fine, but it means recruitment will be off his duties, and that means more power to Scholes. Does it really mean that? Surely he'd have an idea by then of his targets and will be a phone/Skype call away throughout the whole thing?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 21, 2020 12:48:33 GMT
He's done a brilliant job so far.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 21, 2020 12:51:06 GMT
Shamrock Rovers mediocre? The club's the most successful club in the Republic of Ireland. The club has won the League of Ireland title a record 17 times and the FAI Cup a record 25 times. Shamrock Rovers have supplied more players to the Republic of Ireland national football team (62) than any other club. Rovers are the Irish equivalent of Liverpool or Man U. When O'Neill arrived they had been in the doldrums for almost two decades. He turned them around winning two titles and qualifying them as the first ever Irish side to the Europa league group stages... Northern Ireland hadn't been to a tournament in 30 years before he took over. Some Stokies are still slow to understand just how good a manager we've now got. May it result in an era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:55:36 GMT
Let's just see if the feeling stays the same when the NI play offs take place. A lot of people were unhappy about it calling him a part time manager and such. He will be too in the summer should NI qualify. I am sure his coaches will carry out training just fine, but it means recruitment will be off his duties, and that means more power to Scholes. Does it really mean that? Surely he'd have an idea by then of his targets and will be a phone/Skype call away throughout the whole thing? Would that satisfy a potential signing? Players often sign for managers rather than for clubs (although we've signed many in recent years who just looked at the money on offer); they will want to know his specific plans for them specifically.
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Post by markby on Jan 21, 2020 12:56:46 GMT
Let's just see if the feeling stays the same when the NI play offs take place. A lot of people were unhappy about it calling him a part time manager and such. He will be too in the summer should NI qualify. I am sure his coaches will carry out training just fine, but it means recruitment will be off his duties, and that means more power to Scholes. Re recruitment, should NI qualify for the 2020 Euros, he'll be closely monitoring the players of 23 other countries. I daresay he'll do so with Stoke in mind, not just the NI team.
In any case, I'm sure his desire to maintain a dual role will have been at least partly a matter of honour. That is, the IFA did right by him whilst he was in the running for other jobs, so he'll have wanted to do right by them.
By the same token, he won't pursue any other activities unless he's got the nod from the Stoke Board beforehand. Indeed such permission may have been needed for him to accept their offer in the first place.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2020 13:17:54 GMT
Shamrock Rovers mediocre? The club's the most successful club in the Republic of Ireland. The club has won the League of Ireland title a record 17 times and the FAI Cup a record 25 times. Shamrock Rovers have supplied more players to the Republic of Ireland national football team (62) than any other club. Rovers are the Irish equivalent of Liverpool or Man U. When O'Neill arrived they had been in the doldrums for almost two decades. He turned them around winning two titles and qualifying them as the first ever Irish side to the Europa league group stages... Northern Ireland hadn't been to a tournament in 30 years before he took over. Some Stokies are still slow to understand just how good a manager we've now got. yeah but none of that is 'relevant experience'...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 21, 2020 13:23:58 GMT
Does it really mean that? Surely he'd have an idea by then of his targets and will be a phone/Skype call away throughout the whole thing? Would that satisfy a potential signing? Players often sign for managers rather than for clubs (although we've signed many in recent years who just looked at the money on offer); they will want to know his specific plans for them specifically. Obviously it depends who it is but I don't see why they couldn't fly out to meet him, which frequently happens during the summer months, or why they wouldn't have been in dialogue before that? Equally in many cases it's way overstated and players often do sign for clubs as often as managers. Tuncay certainly didn't ask about Tone's specific plans for him, and I'd be surprised if any of the centre halves who ended up playing full back did either,
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2020 13:29:39 GMT
If he manages NI in the euros over the summer, we need to take the positives from it. Namely, it shows a level of loyalty, which may be tested with us soon, and for NI to even be there in the first place demonstrates what an outstanding job he has done there.
Also, surely as a club manager he would be at the Euros anyway doing some scouting?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 21, 2020 13:32:51 GMT
If he manages NI in the euros over the summer, we need to take the positives from it. Namely, it shows a level of loyalty, which may be tested with us soon, and for NI to even be there in the first place demonstrates what an outstanding job he has done there. Also, surely as a club manager he would be at the Euros anyway doing some scouting? Agreed. Also having him there will raise his profile no end, especially if NI qualify - that will be viewed as a minor miracle and his stock will rise helping him to attract better players wanting to play for him.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 21, 2020 13:37:16 GMT
If we stay up this season, I would put his achievement on a par with Pulis keeping up in the Premier League in our first year after promotion. O’Neill inherited a pretty toxic mess, a bloated squad performing terribly and a massive headache relating to seeing off future FFP sanctions. After that West Brom game at home we looked absolutely done for. He’s doing an amazing job and the improvement in individual players under him has been huge.
We‘ve also had more memorable moments in the last three or four months than the last three to four years before that - last minute winners against Wigan and Wednesday, smashing Barnsley and Huddersfield away then last night’s backs to the wall showing.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2020 13:42:35 GMT
If we stay up this season, I would put his achievement on a par with Pulis keeping up in the Premier League in our first year after promotion. O’Neill inherited a pretty toxic mess, a bloated squad performing terribly and a massive headache relating to seeing off future FFP sanctions. After that West Brom game at home we looked absolutely done for. He’s doing an amazing job and the improvement in individual players under him has been huge. We‘ve also had more memorable moments in the last three or four months than the last three to four years before that - last minute winners against Wigan and Wednesday, smashing Barnsley and Huddersfield away then last night’s backs to the wall showing. Yes, he’s got to balance an horrifically bloated squad with FFP implications and keep us up. To have a 50% win rate whilst having that shit to deal with is remarkable really.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 21, 2020 14:24:17 GMT
I often smile at the Oatcake posters who call for a manager to be sacked if he fails to immediately achieve success or claim the club have made a mistake. The fact is no manager has continuous success. Ferguson, Clough, and even Ramsay were all sacked at some point in their careers. It is said that Ferguson was close to being sacked in his early days at ManU and then went on to achieve their greatest successes in their history. Waddington was never in danger of being sacked, he was well backed by Henshall, but I remember the cries from the crowd to have him sacked in the late 1960s. With today's social media, he would have possibly not survived in the late 60s,with the pressure it brings on club owners. Then what we have won? I think we might have another Waddington in MON. Let's hope and pray we have. Wasn’t it John Holditch the ref from stoke who played 7/8 mins of extra time which allowed the shit to win the cup , if so next time I see him walking around trentham lake with Denis I can shout fergie time 😎
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jan 21, 2020 14:30:06 GMT
Sky put some stats on last night didn’t they of our recent form under him. Anyone got the photo?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 21, 2020 14:30:41 GMT
He must be decent, getting Rowetts and Jones signings to win games, after all, the 2 managers who assembled this squad couldn't do it often enough. The future could be brighter once he has his own signings in place.
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Post by Goonie on Jan 21, 2020 14:32:05 GMT
Sky put some stats on last night didn’t they of our recent form under him. Anyone got the photo? Wow! Nothing else to add, just wow! Night and day from Jones
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 14:51:04 GMT
Let's just see if the feeling stays the same when the NI play offs take place. A lot of people were unhappy about it calling him a part time manager and such. He will be too in the summer should NI qualify. I am sure his coaches will carry out training just fine, but it means recruitment will be off his duties, and that means more power to Scholes. Re recruitment, should NI qualify for the 2020 Euros, he'll be closely monitoring the players of 23 other countries. I daresay he'll do so with Stoke in mind, not just the NI team.
In any case, I'm sure his desire to maintain a dual role will have been at least partly a matter of honour. That is, the IFA did right by him whilst he was in the running for other jobs, so he'll have wanted to do right by them.
By the same token, he won't pursue any other activities unless he's got the nod from the Stoke Board beforehand. Indeed such permission may have been needed for him to accept their offer in the first place.
I'm sure monitoring those players will be interesting, but how many of Europe's top players will be wanting to join a secondary league bottom four club? Apart from 22 of NI's players not many.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 14:52:41 GMT
The future could be brighter once he has his own signings in place. Now where and when have I heard those exact words before?
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Post by zerps on Jan 21, 2020 14:57:06 GMT
My new son will be called Michael o’Neill
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 15:01:49 GMT
Would that satisfy a potential signing? Players often sign for managers rather than for clubs (although we've signed many in recent years who just looked at the money on offer); they will want to know his specific plans for them specifically. Obviously it depends who it is but I don't see why they couldn't fly out to meet him, which frequently happens during the summer months, or why they wouldn't have been in dialogue before that? Equally in many cases it's way overstated and players often do sign for clubs as often as managers. Tuncay certainly didn't ask about Tone's specific plans for him, and I'd be surprised if any of the centre halves who ended up playing full back did either, Pulis, at the time of Tuncay, and Woodgate et al, was a PL manager, so the PL was the main attraction. You're not the only one, but you'll have to console yourself to the fact that we are now not a PL club and we won't be for several years yet. At the moment as we speak our modes of attraction are money and the prime of bottom four in division 2. Already last summer, and even the one before that, money wasn't enough to attract the best players available, to ST4. Many of Rowett's and Jones' targets never ended up here. Bearing that in mind and the absence of our manager do we really look forward to the next transfer window?
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