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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 19, 2020 19:29:51 GMT
I understand it is soft goalkeeping but how can Van Dijk jumping into him and not winning the ball not be a foul? He hasn't won the ball but gone into the man. If he wins it then it's not a foul but doesn't and isn't close to doing so. So every time 2 players go up for a header it should automatically be a foul against the player that doesnt win the header? Bizzare logic there Im afraid
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 19:36:27 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2020 19:36:27 GMT
I understand it is soft goalkeeping but how can Van Dijk jumping into him and not winning the ball not be a foul? He hasn't won the ball but gone into the man. If he wins it then it's not a foul but doesn't and isn't close to doing so. So every time 2 players go up for a header it should automatically be a foul against the player that doesnt win the header? Bizzare logic there Im afraid If a centre forward jumps into a centre half when he has no chance of winning the header it's a free kick right? Fucking hell this is hard work. Incidentally two players weren't challenging for a header, DeGea had both arms outstretched catching a ball over 8' in the air, Van Dijk had no chance of heading that ball and jumped into the keeper.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 19, 2020 19:40:09 GMT
He's been told by the VAR ref what to do, surely? Disgraceful reaction from the Utd players. Very lucky that only one of them got booked. Very soft decision as well. What happened to that dissent rule?.....Jack Grealish went mental at the ref last week and received nothing Did it stop after we got relegated as we got done a few times Mic the refs up
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 19:45:29 GMT
Post by hughjarse on Jan 19, 2020 19:45:29 GMT
I think he's a decent ref
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:00:44 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 19, 2020 20:00:44 GMT
So every time 2 players go up for a header it should automatically be a foul against the player that doesnt win the header? Bizzare logic there Im afraid If a centre forward jumps into a centre half when he has no chance of winning the header it's a free kick right? Fucking hell this is hard work. Incidentally two players weren't challenging for a header, DeGea had both arms outstretched catching a ball over 8' in the air, Van Dijk had no chance of heading that ball and jumped into the keeper. So we should just not bother challenging for a ball in the air? Van Dijk had eyes on nothing but the ball and tried to win the ball and had every right to. De Gea made a meal of it and got away with one. The game has gone soft
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:12:48 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2020 20:12:48 GMT
If a centre forward jumps into a centre half when he has no chance of winning the header it's a free kick right? Fucking hell this is hard work. Incidentally two players weren't challenging for a header, DeGea had both arms outstretched catching a ball over 8' in the air, Van Dijk had no chance of heading that ball and jumped into the keeper. So we should just not bother challenging for a ball in the air? Van Dijk had eyes on nothing but the ball and tried to win the ball and had every right to. De Gea made a meal of it and got away with one. The game has gone soft This wasn't a case of two outfield players challenging for a header though was it?
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:20:09 GMT
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 19, 2020 20:20:09 GMT
I understand it is soft goalkeeping but how can Van Dijk jumping into him and not winning the ball not be a foul? He hasn't won the ball but gone into the man. If he wins it then it's not a foul but doesn't and isn't close to doing so. So every time 2 players go up for a header it should automatically be a foul against the player that doesnt win the header? Bizzare logic there Im afraid Well if you want to compare atleast do it correctly. Every time 2 players go for a header, the defender wins it but the attacker just jumps into the player and doesn't touch the ball, then knocking over the player. It is a free kick. Can you explain why that is not a free kick? De Gea gets the ball and as it lands in his hands he is jumped into by Van Dijk, can't hold the ball and gets knocked over too.
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Jan 19, 2020 20:20:53 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 19, 2020 20:20:53 GMT
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Jan 19, 2020 20:27:19 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 19, 2020 20:27:19 GMT
So we should just not bother challenging for a ball in the air? Van Dijk had eyes on nothing but the ball and tried to win the ball and had every right to. De Gea made a meal of it and got away with one. The game has gone soft This wasn't a case of two outfield players challenging for a header though was it? No, it was an outfield player and a goalkeeper who has a massive advantage to start with, challenging for a ball in the air
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 19, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
So every time 2 players go up for a header it should automatically be a foul against the player that doesnt win the header? Bizzare logic there Im afraid Well if you want to compare atleast do it correctly. Every time 2 players go for a header, the defender wins it but the attacker just jumps into the player and doesn't touch the ball, then knocking over the player. It is a free kick. Can you explain why that is not a free kick? De Gea gets the ball and as it lands in his hands he is jumped into by Van Dijk, can't hold the ball and gets knocked over too. When 2 players go up for the same ball in the air, regardless of whether it is 2 outfield players or a goalkeeper, there is a huge likely hood that there will be contact between the 2 individuals. It is also highly probable that only 1 of the players will make contact with the ball so by your own argument there should airways be a free kick awarded when 2 players contest a ball fairly bit only 1 wins the ball?? It is a contact support and there will always be contact.
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:37:54 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2020 20:37:54 GMT
Well if you want to compare atleast do it correctly. Every time 2 players go for a header, the defender wins it but the attacker just jumps into the player and doesn't touch the ball, then knocking over the player. It is a free kick. Can you explain why that is not a free kick? De Gea gets the ball and as it lands in his hands he is jumped into by Van Dijk, can't hold the ball and gets knocked over too. When 2 players go up for the same ball in the air, regardless of whether it is 2 outfield players or a goalkeeper, there is a huge likely hood that there will be contact between the 2 individuals. It is also highly probable that only 1 of the players will make contact with the ball so by your own argument there should airways be a free kick awarded when 2 players contest a ball fairly bit only 1 wins the ball?? It is a contact support and there will always be contact. I take it you want to go back to the days when hairy arsed centre forwards bundle the goalkeeper and ball into the net? Fair enough.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 19, 2020 20:40:03 GMT
When 2 players go up for the same ball in the air, regardless of whether it is 2 outfield players or a goalkeeper, there is a huge likely hood that there will be contact between the 2 individuals. It is also highly probable that only 1 of the players will make contact with the ball so by your own argument there should airways be a free kick awarded when 2 players contest a ball fairly bit only 1 wins the ball?? It is a contact support and there will always be contact. I take it you want to go back to the days when hairy arsed centre forwards bundle the goalkeeper and ball into the net? Fair enough. I take it you want to start watching a contact free sport like netball?
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Jan 19, 2020 20:43:58 GMT
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Post by neckender78 on Jan 19, 2020 20:43:58 GMT
I hate both teams but that wasnt a foul De Gea was weak as piss. The ref was correct. But after awarding the goal he was pathetic. Numerous shit players in his face and with hands on him. Unbelievable only the keeper was booked. He had to be much stronger. No wonder lower and Sunday leagues struggle for officials. Kids and young players watching that think it perfectly acceptable to be in a refs face being abusive as they like.
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Jan 19, 2020 20:44:40 GMT
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 19, 2020 20:44:40 GMT
Well if you want to compare atleast do it correctly. Every time 2 players go for a header, the defender wins it but the attacker just jumps into the player and doesn't touch the ball, then knocking over the player. It is a free kick. Can you explain why that is not a free kick? De Gea gets the ball and as it lands in his hands he is jumped into by Van Dijk, can't hold the ball and gets knocked over too. When 2 players go up for the same ball in the air, regardless of whether it is 2 outfield players or a goalkeeper, there is a huge likely hood that there will be contact between the 2 individuals. It is also highly probable that only 1 of the players will make contact with the ball so by your own argument there should airways be a free kick awarded when 2 players contest a ball fairly bit only 1 wins the ball?? It is a contact support and there will always be contact. It is a foul if a player jumps into another player when trying to win a ball, gets nothing of the ball and knocks him over, whilst the other player has won ball. He has impeded the opposition and gained an advantage by not winning the ball making contact with the opposition. If Shawcross won a header but a player jumping with him knocked him over after winning it and created the opposition an advantage, are you saying you wouldn't say it was a foul? *I know it is a contact sport like winning the ball then catching the man is fine as you have won the ball.
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 20:46:10 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2020 20:46:10 GMT
I take it you want to go back to the days when hairy arsed centre forwards bundle the goalkeeper and ball into the net? Fair enough. I take it you want to start watching a contact free sport like netball? Not at all, strange analogy though.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 19, 2020 20:51:40 GMT
When 2 players go up for the same ball in the air, regardless of whether it is 2 outfield players or a goalkeeper, there is a huge likely hood that there will be contact between the 2 individuals. It is also highly probable that only 1 of the players will make contact with the ball so by your own argument there should airways be a free kick awarded when 2 players contest a ball fairly bit only 1 wins the ball?? It is a contact support and there will always be contact. It is a foul if a player jumps into another player when trying to win a ball, gets nothing of the ball and knocks him over, whilst the other player has won ball. He has impeded the opposition and gained an advantage by not winning the ball making contact with the opposition. If Shawcross won a header but a player jumping with him knocked him over after winning it and created the opposition an advantage, are you saying you wouldn't say it was a foul? *I know it is a contact sport like winning the ball then catching the man is fine as you have won the ball. It really is that simple, I can't understand how some are arguing it was a fair challenge. VAR took seconds to overrule the ref and even went as far as to actually question why the ref missed such an obvious foul, I can't remember that ever happening before.
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Jan 19, 2020 21:04:00 GMT
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Jan 19, 2020 21:04:00 GMT
He's absolutely TERRIFIED of giving a decision against Liverpool. Neville making a prick of himself, clear foul on the keeper Do really think so, that was soft, imo neville is a honest, great pundit and is not biased?
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Jan 19, 2020 21:06:15 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 19, 2020 21:06:15 GMT
He went down like a sack of shit looking for the foul because he knew he had fucked up when he dropped it, stayed down play acting till he realised they wer in the shit then flung himself to his left in a desperate attempt to save face. It was soft as shit, he’s done it many a time de gea. The only reason var gave it was to justify the united players over the top aggressive reaction to the ref. IMO.....it’s all about opinion
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Jan 19, 2020 21:30:16 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 21:30:16 GMT
He went down like a sack of shit looking for the foul because he knew he had fucked up when he dropped it, stayed down play acting till he realised they wer in the shit then flung himself to his left in a desperate attempt to save face. It was soft as shit, he’s done it many a time de gea. The only reason var gave it was to justify the united players over the top aggressive reaction to the ref. IMO.....it’s all about opinion And this is why VAR is bullshit. A lot of people think it’s not a foul, a lot disagree. How can you review that? If I was the ref and that was overruled I’d be fuming.
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 21:47:00 GMT
Post by rawli on Jan 19, 2020 21:47:00 GMT
He went down like a sack of shit looking for the foul because he knew he had fucked up when he dropped it, stayed down play acting till he realised they wer in the shit then flung himself to his left in a desperate attempt to save face. It was soft as shit, he’s done it many a time de gea. The only reason var gave it was to justify the united players over the top aggressive reaction to the ref. IMO.....it’s all about opinion And this is why VAR is bullshit. A lot of people think it’s not a foul, a lot disagree. How can you review that? If I was the ref and that was overruled I’d be fuming. I think refs love it. They can let var take any blame. Makes their lives easier. That's why they don't want to go over to the telly by the pitch as it puts the onus back on them.
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Pawson
Jan 19, 2020 22:10:26 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Jan 19, 2020 22:10:26 GMT
Ooooohh blue tick. I take it all back.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 19, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
Never a foul, de gea fucked it up, defence got robbed, great finish and then de gea went off on one gobbing off to the ref, should have seen a red given how he was going at pawson.
Shit keeping, shit defending
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Jan 19, 2020 22:29:54 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 19, 2020 22:29:54 GMT
He went down like a sack of shit looking for the foul because he knew he had fucked up when he dropped it, stayed down play acting till he realised they wer in the shit then flung himself to his left in a desperate attempt to save face. It was soft as shit, he’s done it many a time de gea. The only reason var gave it was to justify the united players over the top aggressive reaction to the ref. IMO.....it’s all about opinion And this is why VAR is bullshit. A lot of people think it’s not a foul, a lot disagree. How can you review that? If I was the ref and that was overruled I’d be fuming. They are gonna play on this now tho the players. Because they know every decision is gonna be micro analysed by var, so will dramatise every little contentious challenge. For me it wasn’t enough for a foul. Van dijk has got to go for the ball he can’t let de gea have it for free. His arms arnt raised and let’s be honest he hardly knocks him over does he, it’s just slight contact in mid air. De gea was so weak, shud show more strength and commitment for me.
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