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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 28, 2020 12:17:33 GMT
The trouble for me is, he's not prolific enough to be as ineffective as he can be. If he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much. He also cost a lot of money and I'd have him behind the current strikers, including Gregory.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 28, 2020 12:19:20 GMT
Hanging out hats on a bloke who has only reached double figures once in his career and that was split between league one and the championship on 14/15 and has been pretty shite for us since the day he signed. This “Afobe is a proven goal scorer” is one of the biggest myths in football. It’s really not a myth though, his goals to games ratio is excellent.
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Post by mickey2693 on Jul 28, 2020 12:37:41 GMT
Happy to have him back. I dont think Campbell can be relied upon too heavily with the frequency of games next season.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 28, 2020 12:42:26 GMT
Hanging out hats on a bloke who has only reached double figures once in his career and that was split between league one and the championship on 14/15 and has been pretty shite for us since the day he signed. This “Afobe is a proven goal scorer” is one of the biggest myths in football. It’s really not a myth though, his goals to games ratio is excellent. 68 goals in 273 league appearances is far from excellent 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 12:55:05 GMT
It’s really not a myth though, his goals to games ratio is excellent. 68 goals in 273 league appearances is far from excellent 😂 He scores a goal every 212 minutes he plays. That's the fairest way of showing how prolific he is, not counting games where he's come on in the 91st minute to waste time.....
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 28, 2020 12:56:03 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 28, 2020 13:03:06 GMT
Ive included substitute appearances as I’m sure you’re including goals he’s scored as a sub
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:03:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:04:10 GMT
He needs to play in a 2 upfront or as one of the wide forwards in a 433. He is definitely no use upfront on his own, which is how we tried to use him before. Think it's him or Campbell for one place and Vokes/Gregory for the other. I think him and Gregory could work well. Gregory is an intelligent footballer (I know his finishing is poor) and he may well bring the best out of Afobe who despite his faults can finish.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 28, 2020 13:06:46 GMT
68 goals in 273 league appearances is far from excellent 😂 He scores a goal every 212 minutes he plays. That's the fairest way of showing how prolific he is, not counting games where he's come on in the 91st minute to waste time..... He’s scored more than 10 in a season once and that was split between league one and the championship.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 28, 2020 13:38:14 GMT
He needs to play in a 2 upfront or as one of the wide forwards in a 433. He is definitely no use upfront on his own, which is how we tried to use him before. Think it's him or Campbell for one place and Vokes/Gregory for the other. I think him and Gregory could work well. Gregory is an intelligent footballer (I know his finishing is poor) and he may well bring the best out of Afobe who despite his faults can finish. O'Neill's favoured formation is 433 so I wouldn't be surprised to see Afobe and Campbell in the wide roles playing off a central striker (Gregory or Vokes - and I would prefer Gregory for his mobility) or maybe Powell as a false number 9.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:39:37 GMT
He scores a goal every 212 minutes he plays. That's the fairest way of showing how prolific he is, not counting games where he's come on in the 91st minute to waste time..... He’s scored more than 10 in a season once and that was split between league one and the championship. No he hasn't. He scored 32 goals in 14/15 for MK Dons/Wolves He scored 14 goals in 15/16 for Wolves/Bournemouth
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Post by markby on Jul 28, 2020 13:54:26 GMT
I know nothing about Afobe, but I am always minded of something Matthew Benham (Brentford owner) says, basically that he doesn't give a stuff how many goals a striker scores personally, it's how many the team score while he's on the pitch. (Presumably he measures this against how many the team scores when he's not).
And Brentford's recruitment is just about the best in the division.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 14:02:54 GMT
I know nothing about Afobe, but I am always minded of something Matthew Benham (Brentford owner) says, basically that he doesn't give a stuff how many goals a striker scores personally, it's how many the team score while he's on the pitch. (Presumably he measures this against how many the team scores when he's not). And Brentford's recruitment is just about the best in the division. And he's right. A 20 goal a season striker is great but it can also be a red herring. Much better to have a team that creates bags of chances and the goals be spread all over the pitch.....
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 28, 2020 14:04:00 GMT
Personally I think Afobe and Campbell, with Powell pulling the strings has the potential to be awesome.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 28, 2020 14:14:59 GMT
Ever likely his hormones were all over the place then!
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Post by datguy on Jul 28, 2020 14:52:43 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 28, 2020 14:56:33 GMT
I do think an Afobe and Campbell combination would benefit not only both of them, but the midfield as well.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 28, 2020 14:59:57 GMT
He's as good as most of our strikers i.e pretty unimpressive!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
For clarity here are the scoring records of our current strikers in the Championship only:
Campbell 1 goal every 196 minutes (2.17 games) Afobe 1 goal every 223 minutes (2.47 games) Vokes 1 goal every 225 minutes (2.5 games) Gregory 1 goal every 325 minutes (3.6 games)
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 28, 2020 15:46:35 GMT
Wow people have short memories he was utter garbage when he was with us. So bad that fans were giving him pelters on the pitch and couldn't get him out of the door quickly enough. So suddenly MON is going to transform him. The fact that he looks like he is staying is down to the fact that Bristol City probably don't want him and if would be difficult to offload him to anybody else. Bizarrely for us it seems we are not desperate for goals so hopefully the emphasis will be on finding the best left back, and decent wingers who can get close to 10 goals each.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 28, 2020 15:58:32 GMT
Wow people have short memories he was utter garbage when he was with us. So bad that fans were giving him pelters on the pitch and couldn't get him out of the door quickly enough. So suddenly MON is going to transform him. The fact that he looks like he is staying is down to the fact that Bristol City probably don't want him and if would be difficult to offload him to anybody else. Bizarrely for us it seems we are not desperate for goals so hopefully the emphasis will be on finding the best left back, and decent wingers who can get close to 10 goals each. He want though. He has very good movement but rarely did we have anyone in midfield to pick him out and with Ince and McClean as his partners he was isolated. With Powell he will be a different player. I assume him and Campbell wide of a central striker is how it will work
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Post by David Brent on Jul 28, 2020 16:03:25 GMT
Be very happy to see Benik back at Stoke
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Post by RAF on Jul 28, 2020 16:07:44 GMT
Hanging out hats on a bloke who has only reached double figures once in his career and that was split between league one and the championship on 14/15 and has been pretty shite for us since the day he signed. This “Afobe is a proven goal scorer” is one of the biggest myths in football. It’s really not a myth though, his goals to games ratio is excellent. 1 in every 4 games is hardly excellent. H
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 28, 2020 16:17:04 GMT
He needs to play in a 2 upfront or as one of the wide forwards in a 433. He is definitely no use upfront on his own, which is how we tried to use him before. Think it's him or Campbell for one place and Vokes/Gregory for the other. I think him and Gregory could work well. Gregory is an intelligent footballer (I know his finishing is poor) and he may well bring the best out of Afobe who despite his faults can finish. O'Neill's favoured formation is 433 so I wouldn't be surprised to see Afobe and Campbell in the wide roles playing off a central striker (Gregory or Vokes - and I would prefer Gregory for his mobility) or maybe Powell as a false number 9. I don't see MON starting Afobe before McClean if he's fit. He might start him on the right of the front 3 but that would mean leaving Campbell out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 16:21:58 GMT
For clarity here are the scoring records of our current strikers in the Championship only: Campbell 1 goal every 196 minutes (2.17 games) Afobe 1 goal every 223 minutes (2.47 games) Vokes 1 goal every 225 minutes (2.5 games) Gregory 1 goal every 325 minutes (3.6 games) Christ. Nearly 20M on Vokes and Afobe and neither are any better than a kiddie who has spent a proportion of his time in the team out on the wing...
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2020 17:41:14 GMT
I know nothing about Afobe, but I am always minded of something Matthew Benham (Brentford owner) says, basically that he doesn't give a stuff how many goals a striker scores personally, it's how many the team score while he's on the pitch. (Presumably he measures this against how many the team scores when he's not). And Brentford's recruitment is just about the best in the division. And he's right. A 20 goal a season striker is great but it can also be a red herring. Much better to have a team that creates bags of chances and the goals be spread all over the pitch..... Kevin Phillips was a 20 goal a season player and got relegated 4 or 5 times in his career.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2020 17:43:05 GMT
For clarity here are the scoring records of our current strikers in the Championship only: Campbell 1 goal every 196 minutes (2.17 games) Afobe 1 goal every 223 minutes (2.47 games) Vokes 1 goal every 225 minutes (2.5 games) Gregory 1 goal every 325 minutes (3.6 games) Are these their records playing for Stoke only? Afobe was mostly played out of position by NJ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 18:35:24 GMT
For clarity here are the scoring records of our current strikers in the Championship only: Campbell 1 goal every 196 minutes (2.17 games) Afobe 1 goal every 223 minutes (2.47 games) Vokes 1 goal every 225 minutes (2.5 games) Gregory 1 goal every 325 minutes (3.6 games) Are these their records playing for Stoke only? Afobe was mostly played out of position by NJ No in their Championship career to date.....
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Post by drfishy on Jul 28, 2020 19:04:55 GMT
For clarity here are the scoring records of our current strikers in the Championship only: Campbell 1 goal every 196 minutes (2.17 games) Afobe 1 goal every 223 minutes (2.47 games) Vokes 1 goal every 225 minutes (2.5 games) Gregory 1 goal every 325 minutes (3.6 games) Are these their records playing for Stoke only? Afobe was mostly played out of position by NJ Almost everybody was played out of position by NJ!!
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