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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 11:40:18 GMT
Public disruption wont work lobbying is the only way. You start by pressure on business not people, glass instead of plastic is a start. I genuinely hate plastic but its everywhere so a few soap dodgers in the street pissing off commuters will not work. Maybe one of these rich caring types should invest in glass I dunno. I thought posting crisp bags back was a cracking idea maybe we should post plastic bottles etc back to the manufacturers. In Europe glass is way more prevalent and so it should be. How do you pressure business? people leaving their unnecessary plastic at the tills in shops, not buying a piece of broccoli wrapped in plastic ferfuxache, hit them in the pockets by shopping at plastic free shops, they are all over the place now
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 11:42:54 GMT
This is copied from a Tweet I saw earlier... Are we fucked? Probably. If society made big inroads over the next couple of years to completely overhaul how we live then we may be ok. Can't see it though, it requires world leaders to work together, and to come away from this idea of nationalism that has swept the world in recent years. China is a massive problem like some have said, the question is with their media being watched by the State, do they even know? I mean do we even know the extent?? Terrified for the world our kids are going to live in. This is the Tweet: Remember: 0.5°C safety 1.3°C irreversible feedbacks (now) 1.5°C severe danger 2°C extreme danger 2.5°C approaching hell 3°C horror 3.5°C death of organised society 4°C human survival in doubt 5°C extinction possible 6°C extinction likely 7°C current trajectory Climate 'change'. China's problem is our problem, they are making the worlds stuff, a lot of stuff we don't need half the time people just want it as it's the latest. China has been going great guns into renewables and regreening deserts etc.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 11:52:56 GMT
This is copied from a Tweet I saw earlier... Are we fucked? Probably. If society made big inroads over the next couple of years to completely overhaul how we live then we may be ok. Can't see it though, it requires world leaders to work together, and to come away from this idea of nationalism that has swept the world in recent years. China is a massive problem like some have said, the question is with their media being watched by the State, do they even know? I mean do we even know the extent?? Terrified for the world our kids are going to live in. This is the Tweet: Remember: 0.5°C safety 1.3°C irreversible feedbacks (now) 1.5°C severe danger 2°C extreme danger 2.5°C approaching hell 3°C horror 3.5°C death of organised society 4°C human survival in doubt 5°C extinction possible 6°C extinction likely 7°C current trajectory Climate 'change'. China's problem is our problem, they are making the worlds stuff, a lot of stuff we don't need half the time people just want it as it's the latest. China has been going great guns into renewables and regreening deserts etc. Spot on stop buying the plastic shit buy British/ local.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 12:00:07 GMT
How do you pressure business? people leaving their unnecessary plastic at the tills in shops, not buying a piece of broccoli wrapped in plastic ferfuxache, hit them in the pockets by shopping at plastic free shops, they are all over the place now I do it all the time the classic "do you want a bag" no thanks I've got hands. Yes the big weekly shop is a bit different but we have our own bags and dont pick an apple in a plastic bag why is it necessary to buy prepared salad in a plastic bag buy fresh and make your own.
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Post by musik on Jan 6, 2020 12:33:12 GMT
people leaving their unnecessary plastic at the tills in shops, not buying a piece of broccoli wrapped in plastic ferfuxache, hit them in the pockets by shopping at plastic free shops, they are all over the place now I do it all the time the classic "do you want a bag" no thanks I've got hands. Yes the big weekly shop is a bit different but we have our own bags and dont pick an apple in a plastic bag why is it necessary to buy prepared salad in a plastic bag buy fresh and make your own. Here in Sweden most shops sell eco loop plastic bags or plastic bags made from sugar canes. I always buy those. Some said they're even more friendly to the environment than brown recyclable paper bags. Your thoughts?
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 12:39:42 GMT
I do it all the time the classic "do you want a bag" no thanks I've got hands. Yes the big weekly shop is a bit different but we have our own bags and dont pick an apple in a plastic bag why is it necessary to buy prepared salad in a plastic bag buy fresh and make your own. Here in Sweden most shops sell eco loop plastic bags or plastic bags made from sugar canes. I always buy those. Some said they're even more friendly to the environment than brown recyclable paper bags. Your thoughts? To be fair I've not heard or seen them but if it's TRUE then it's good news, we have hemp bags. 67million or so in the UK have to stop using plastic if they did or a sizable % of them did business would change, it's simple really no need to cause disruption just educate.
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 13:33:40 GMT
Here in Sweden most shops sell eco loop plastic bags or plastic bags made from sugar canes. I always buy those. Some said they're even more friendly to the environment than brown recyclable paper bags. Your thoughts? To be fair I've not heard or seen them but if it's TRUE then it's good news, we have hemp bags. 67million or so in the UK have to stop using plastic if they did or a sizable % of them did business would change, it's simple really no need to cause disruption just educate. I've seen them advertised, also a recent invention of a plastic that can be eaten by bacteria. Lots of magazines now have a starch paper wrapping
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 6, 2020 15:28:43 GMT
Awful stuff these doors
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 6, 2020 15:28:56 GMT
Fires lol
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Post by yes on Jan 6, 2020 15:56:09 GMT
This is copied from a Tweet I saw earlier... Are we fucked? Probably. If society made big inroads over the next couple of years to completely overhaul how we live then we may be ok. Can't see it though, it requires world leaders to work together, and to come away from this idea of nationalism that has swept the world in recent years. China is a massive problem like some have said, the question is with their media being watched by the State, do they even know? I mean do we even know the extent?? Terrified for the world our kids are going to live in. This is the Tweet: Remember: 0.5°C safety 1.3°C irreversible feedbacks (now) 1.5°C severe danger 2°C extreme danger 2.5°C approaching hell 3°C horror 3.5°C death of organised society 4°C human survival in doubt 5°C extinction possible 6°C extinction likely 7°C current trajectory Climate 'change'. You see that does not help it's just hysterical ifs and buts and makes me think they have not got a clue what's going to happen so they try to scare people. Isn't it better to try and mitigate it just in case it really is that bad though? I mean, even if it wasn't as severe as that, we'll be living in a cleaner environment which is proven to have physical and mental health benefits.
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Post by yes on Jan 6, 2020 16:00:36 GMT
This is copied from a Tweet I saw earlier... Are we fucked? Probably. If society made big inroads over the next couple of years to completely overhaul how we live then we may be ok. Can't see it though, it requires world leaders to work together, and to come away from this idea of nationalism that has swept the world in recent years. China is a massive problem like some have said, the question is with their media being watched by the State, do they even know? I mean do we even know the extent?? Terrified for the world our kids are going to live in. This is the Tweet: Remember: 0.5°C safety 1.3°C irreversible feedbacks (now) 1.5°C severe danger 2°C extreme danger 2.5°C approaching hell 3°C horror 3.5°C death of organised society 4°C human survival in doubt 5°C extinction possible 6°C extinction likely 7°C current trajectory Climate 'change'. China's problem is our problem, they are making the worlds stuff, a lot of stuff we don't need half the time people just want it as it's the latest. China has been going great guns into renewables and regreening deserts etc. Good point, how do we stop the over consumerism in every country? It needs to be a global decision to stop buying things we don't need, and people will naturally become poorer because of it with less jobs. How I see it, we all start leading simple lives and stop worrying about the Jones', or go extinct.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 17:07:41 GMT
You see that does not help it's just hysterical ifs and buts and makes me think they have not got a clue what's going to happen so they try to scare people. Isn't it better to try and mitigate it just in case it really is that bad though? I mean, even if it wasn't as severe as that, we'll be living in a cleaner environment which is proven to have physical and mental health benefits. I'm not saying anything different to you all I'm saying is hysterics dunna work. We've seen women saying they are not having kids because the worlds a mess!!! What I am saying though is stop annoying me and go protest in China,India,USA and Russia etc once you've sorted them out problem solved. However me doing my bit is not good enough for some they want to take me back to the stone age way of life.
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Post by yes on Jan 6, 2020 18:24:30 GMT
Isn't it better to try and mitigate it just in case it really is that bad though? I mean, even if it wasn't as severe as that, we'll be living in a cleaner environment which is proven to have physical and mental health benefits. I'm not saying anything different to you all I'm saying is hysterics dunna work. We've seen women saying they are not having kids because the worlds a mess!!! What I am saying though is stop annoying me and go protest in China,India,USA and Russia etc once you've sorted them out problem solved. However me doing my bit is not good enough for some they want to take me back to the stone age way of life. Hysterics is what we need surely?? I think the severity of what we could potentially be facing cannot be understated. I've got two kids that I would not change for anything in the world, however if I was childless now and making the decision, I think I would decide against it. Not hysterics, it's a genuine concern that they could be only 10-15 years old and the planet is at a point of no return, what sort of life is that? It's only recently that I've come to realise how bad it could be, I think we all try to ignore or distance ourselves from it. Nobody wants you to return to the Stone Age, I do believe we can keep some of our modern comforts, but massively within reason. If the world's businesses and governments invested in sustainable energy we could travel, and access the internet etc like we have been doing.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 18:32:01 GMT
I'm not saying anything different to you all I'm saying is hysterics dunna work. We've seen women saying they are not having kids because the worlds a mess!!! What I am saying though is stop annoying me and go protest in China,India,USA and Russia etc once you've sorted them out problem solved. However me doing my bit is not good enough for some they want to take me back to the stone age way of life. Hysterics is what we need surely?? I think the severity of what we could potentially be facing cannot be understated. I've got two kids that I would not change for anything in the world, however if I was childless now and making the decision, I think I would decide against it. Not hysterics, it's a genuine concern that they could be only 10-15 years old and the planet is at a point of no return, what sort of life is that? It's only recently that I've come to realise how bad it could be, I think we all try to ignore or distance ourselves from it. Nobody wants you to return to the Stone Age, I do believe we can keep some of our modern comforts, but massively within reason. If the world's businesses and governments invested in sustainable energy we could travel, and access the internet etc like we have been doing. That's ok we disagree, being over the top and alarmist does more harm than good in fact its irresponsible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 18:36:25 GMT
How do you pressure business? Pickets at the gates, at the HQ etc, post them their plastic back as people did with Walkers. Dont buy from them just a few ideas. Plastic pollution, whilst awful, is not the real problem at the minute. Climate change is (whilst indirectly related) not hugely caused by plastic consumption. XR picket at gates and HQs. That was the main thing they did in London, Shell, Exxon, and Downing st/Westminster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 18:36:54 GMT
How do you pressure business? people leaving their unnecessary plastic at the tills in shops, not buying a piece of broccoli wrapped in plastic ferfuxache, hit them in the pockets by shopping at plastic free shops, they are all over the place now As above, plastics aren't the main issue really, although indirectly related.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 19:37:48 GMT
Pickets at the gates, at the HQ etc, post them their plastic back as people did with Walkers. Dont buy from them just a few ideas. Plastic pollution, whilst awful, is not the real problem at the minute. Climate change is (whilst indirectly related) not hugely caused by plastic consumption. XR picket at gates and HQs. That was the main thing they did in London, Shell, Exxon, and Downing st/Westminster. So I can ditch my bag for life then phew.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2020 20:27:50 GMT
Whilst we should do everything that is possible to keep the earth “green” there are still cyclic events which change our climate
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 20:33:40 GMT
Whilst we should do everything that is possible to keep the earth “green” there are still cyclic events which change our climate I agree there were temps I Australia in 1968 I think it was that have only been beaten in 2020. There have been fires yearly so it's not an unusual event this is a particularly rough time for them but I cant help thinking there is a bandwagon to jump on regarding these fires.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 20:46:48 GMT
Whilst we should do everything that is possible to keep the earth “green” there are still cyclic events which change our climate We are contributing to force those 'cycles' to fly out of control. We are the ones having the most effect on Earth's climate.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 9, 2020 9:10:49 GMT
It's now thought that ONE BILLION animals have perished in the Ozzie fires with some species on the verge of extinction.
Apparently, Scott Morrison couldn't care less.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 9, 2020 22:19:26 GMT
Overseas aid
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 10, 2020 18:02:26 GMT
Hence why I stand with XR Looks like we need to be keeping an eye on you...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 15:25:42 GMT
Hence why I stand with XR Looks like we need to be keeping an eye on you... Seriously? Wow. 'extremist' means wanting the planet to be habitable for humans eh? Madness.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 16:40:36 GMT
Looks like we need to be keeping an eye on you... Seriously? Wow. 'extremist' means wanting the planet to be habitable for humans eh? Madness. They've since described it as an "error of judgement" in fairness www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51071959
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Post by felonious on Jan 13, 2020 12:19:28 GMT
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Post by hammered on Jan 14, 2020 0:56:22 GMT
But back in 1939....... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_bushfiresAn inquiry following determined:Likely cuasation Human error/arson Lack of aboriginal prescribed controlled back burning or clearing of undergrowth/debris through the wetter months Conditions caused by exceptional heat and dryness etc.. The likely conclusion for the latest but by no means unusual event is already being spun as a RESULT of US...and our plant friendly carbon contribution to the atmosphere.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 14, 2020 5:21:11 GMT
Bushfires in Australia, obviously, aren't unprecedented. However, what is unprecedented is the sheer ferocity intensity and longevity of them. At this time of year there used to be afternoon storms three or four times a week. Picking kids up at school in spring and summer the rush was to 'make it home before the storm'. The stormrain modified the dangers arising from the searing heat. And that's how it'd been forever.
Aforementioned storms dont happen now. So there's the deadness of the increasing heat combined with the arid ground creating lethal tinderboxes.
The fact the fires occur in sub tropical QLD now is a clear indication the climate is changing.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2020 7:02:58 GMT
Why have they all got beards? They’ll have to get them shaved off before tackling them fires, otherwise they’ll get singed...
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Post by serpico on Jan 14, 2020 8:34:39 GMT
Whilst we should do everything that is possible to keep the earth “green” there are still cyclic events which change our climate But the alarmists can’t allow a good crisis to go to waste so every weather event is now due to climate change. Worth noting that way fewer people are dying from weather events than any other time in human history.
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