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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2019 22:15:06 GMT
Just interviewing a fella on the BBC news staying in the same resort as that British man and his two children who tragically drowned in a swimming pool at a resort on the Costa Del Sol and he said 'Anytime is bad enough but Xmas Eve...' as though had it happened in say September while it would still have been problematic at least it would at least not have put the dampeners on Xmas !!
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Post by Absolution on Dec 30, 2019 22:26:23 GMT
It has an extra poignancy because Christmas is meant to be a happy, joyous, celebratory time.
It's like losing a match when you were four goals in front with 15 minutes to go. I mean a defeat's a defeat right? But some defeats are harder to take because of the circumstances.
That's the best analogy I can think of.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2019 22:42:34 GMT
'I've just had my whole family wiped out, husband and both children' 'Oh I'm very sorry to hear that, and it was nearly Christmas too'  |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 30, 2019 22:47:23 GMT
"......... yeaaaaaahhhhhhh..........but apart from THAT, Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy the play........???????" 
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 30, 2019 22:59:57 GMT
It’s just the British way. It’s part of our quirkiness....
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 30, 2019 23:04:21 GMT
It’s just the British way. It’s part of our quirkiness.... Followed by a cup of tea!  |
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 30, 2019 23:19:51 GMT
I still cant get my head around this. 3 people all die in the swimming pool. Something isnt right with whats gone one. Could all aparantly swim. Father and Son a good height so depth not really a problem.
Police say case shut. All a bit odd.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2019 23:47:50 GMT
"......... yeaaaaaahhhhhhh..........but apart from THAT, Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy the play........???????" I've always loved that quote and very apt in this case! |
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2019 23:53:57 GMT
I still cant get my head around this. 3 people all die in the swimming pool. Something isnt right with whats gone one. Could all aparantly swim. Father and Son a good height so depth not really a problem. Police say case shut. All a bit odd. It's the strangest thing. Pool 2 metres deep at its maximum and father and the boy both 6 footers. You'd think if the young girl was struggling out of her depth they'd just be able to bounce up and down on the bottom to stay afloat and help her even if they were not good swimmers. Yet somehow all 3 go down. Conversely it's impossible to think of anything that could really have gone wrong with the pool itself. I mean it's a swimming pool, presumably as flat as a mill pond. Did panic set in, what about the cold, who knows...we'll never find out will we? |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 31, 2019 0:16:04 GMT
I still cant get my head around this. 3 people all die in the swimming pool. Something isnt right with whats gone one. Could all aparantly swim. Father and Son a good height so depth not really a problem. Police say case shut. All a bit odd. It's the strangest thing. Pool 2 metres deep at its maximum and father and the boy both 6 footers. You'd think if the young girl was struggling out of her depth they'd just be able to bounce up and down on the bottom to stay afloat and help her even if they were not good swimmers. Yet somehow all 3 go down. Conversely it's impossible to think of anything that could really have gone wrong with the pool itself. I mean it's a swimming pool, presumably as flat as a mill pond. Did panic set in, what about the cold, who knows...we'll never find out will we? A tragedy, but really bizarre - (1) I wonder if there will be a post mortem on all three of them, and if so whether it will reveal anything? (2) I thought the pool was reopened to the public 'uncomfortably' quickly - the next day, I think. (3) The wife/mother lost no time in announcing she was going to be suing 'those responsible', but if, say, it was just a massively weird 100% accident and the girl, who was under the water, perhaps held on tightly to her father and brother so that all three were held under and drowned, who is there to sue? In the reports early on it was also stated that there was some thought as to whether the girl's swimming cap had somehow become caught in an underwater 'drain' (or sort-of drain, I think) which had therefore held her down - but then later it was reported that she had not been wearing a swimming cap when brought out. I wonder if anything will ever come to light??? |
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Post by felonious on Dec 31, 2019 7:17:51 GMT
I still cant get my head around this. 3 people all die in the swimming pool. Something isnt right with whats gone one. Could all aparantly swim. Father and Son a good height so depth not really a problem. Police say case shut. All a bit odd. It's the strangest thing. Pool 2 metres deep at its maximum and father and the boy both 6 footers. You'd think if the young girl was struggling out of her depth they'd just be able to bounce up and down on the bottom to stay afloat and help her even if they were not good swimmers. Yet somehow all 3 go down. Conversely it's impossible to think of anything that could really have gone wrong with the pool itself. I mean it's a swimming pool, presumably as flat as a mill pond. Did panic set in, what about the cold, who knows...we'll never find out will we? Makes you wonder whether there was an issue with the pool chemicals. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 31, 2019 8:21:50 GMT
From the pics and footage of the pool I've seen it was shallow at either end and deeper in the middle so the bottom was "V" shaped. Could there have been some pump flow issue that pushed/ or dragged them to the middle deep end. However as stated the two males were relatively tall, the pool was small and for myself who I class as a decent swimmer I cant see how they could not get out of that pool. Would too much chlorine make that much difference in a small pool you could reach the side in a couple of strokes in any direction with your eyes closed. Or would the chemicals overcome them and what level would it need to be to do so.
My initial reaction was they could not swim but even that theory has issues as stated you could bounce to the surface for breaths and walk to safety.
It really is a mystery to me I could speculate all day on this.
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Post by Gods on Dec 31, 2019 8:47:37 GMT
You could indeed speculate all day.
For me everything points to dad and son trying to rescue the young daughter in distress in the deep middle.
Since it is a matter of debate whether they could swim or not you perhaps suspect they were not strong swimmers at best.
The mum allegedly told police the father could not swim then clarified that to say she meant she had not seen him swim.
Their lawyer added later he is a native Nigerian who had grown up swimming in rivers to perhaps suggest he was an accomplished swimmer comfortable in torrid waters.
The cynic in me didn't buy that, the idea he was some kind of Crocodile Dundee, it looked more like positioning for any ensuing court case.
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Post by pretzel on Dec 31, 2019 11:23:54 GMT
Why do folks say 'Anytime is bad enough but Xmas Eve...'? It was my last day at work before Christmas 2001 and for some odd reason, I decided to dinghy the offers to go to the pub with everyone, as was the tradition back then. As I got home, the wife passed me the phone.. it was my mother; my Dad was acting oddly and something was obviously not right, so I rushed over to see what was going on and it first appeared as if he'd had a stroke or something, so we put him in the car and took him up to the hospital where he was admitted to AMU for tests. Cutting the story short, he was kept in and on Christmas eve we were told he had a cancer and on New years eve after 2 MRI scans and a distressing biopsy through his skull, we were told he had an inoperable brain tumor, which meant he had weeks, rather than months left to live. Now I'm not saying that this has ruined every Christmas since then but when everyone is celebrating and looking forward to a new year with excitement, my thoughts go back to that awful moment when we walked my Dad from his hospital bed to an office to be given this news. Of course this is just a sad fact of life and something that we all can go through but for those who have lost loved ones in far more tragic circumstances, I can only imagine the anniversary will be more indelibly etched in their minds with it being on a significant date. On a much happier note, my daughter works in advertising and produced the Christmas TV advert for Very.co.uk. As a tribute to her Grandad (my Dad) she based the central character on him and even named him Sidney in his honour 
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Post by zerps on Dec 31, 2019 11:29:21 GMT
It’s because you get xmas rammed down your throat regardless of how shit your current predicament is. Celebrating xmas isn’t a choice it’s a global brainwashing exercise.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 31, 2019 13:53:23 GMT
Why do folks say 'Anytime is bad enough but Xmas Eve...'? It was my last day at work before Christmas 2001 and for some odd reason, I decided to dinghy the offers to go to the pub with everyone, as was the tradition back then. As I got home, the wife passed me the phone.. it was my mother; my Dad was acting oddly and something was obviously not right, so I rushed over to see what was going on and it first appeared as if he'd had a stroke or something, so we put him in the car and took him up to the hospital where he was admitted to AMU for tests. Cutting the story short, he was kept in and on Christmas eve we were told he had a cancer and on New years eve after 2 MRI scans and a distressing biopsy through his skull, we were told he had an inoperable brain tumor, which meant he had weeks, rather than months left to live. Now I'm not saying that this has ruined every Christmas since then but when everyone is celebrating and looking forward to a new year with excitement, my thoughts go back to that awful moment when we walked my Dad from his hospital bed to an office to be given this news. Of course this is just a sad fact of life and something that we all can go through but for those who have lost loved ones in far more tragic circumstances, I can only imagine the anniversary will be more indelibly etched in their minds with it being on a significant date. On a much happier note, my daughter works in advertising and produced the Christmas TV advert for Very.co.uk. As a tribute to her Grandad (my Dad) she based the central character on him and even named him Sidney in his honour That's wonderful mate we love that add and to know the story behind it makes it even more special. Tell your daughter thanks from me and my missus it reminds us both of my old man. |
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Post by mattyd on Dec 31, 2019 18:30:27 GMT
You could indeed speculate all day. For me everything points to dad and son trying to rescue the young daughter in distress in the deep middle. Since it is a matter of debate whether they could swim or not you perhaps suspect they were not strong swimmers at best. The mum allegedly told police the father could not swim then clarified that to say she meant she had not seen him swim. Their lawyer added later he is a native Nigerian who had grown up swimming in rivers to perhaps suggest he was an accomplished swimmer comfortable in torrid waters. The cynic in me didn't buy that, the idea he was some kind of Crocodile Dundee, it looked more like positioning for any ensuing court case. Hate to say it, and it's a theory based on ZERO facts, but could they all have been smoking the wacky baccy and decided a swim was a good idea. |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 31, 2019 18:35:39 GMT
Why do folks say 'Anytime is bad enough but Xmas Eve...'? It was my last day at work before Christmas 2001 and for some odd reason, I decided to dinghy the offers to go to the pub with everyone, as was the tradition back then. On a much happier note, my daughter works in advertising and produced the Christmas TV advert for Very.co.uk. As a tribute to her Grandad (my Dad) she based the central character on him and even named him Sidney in his honour That's wonderful mate we love that add and to know the story behind it makes it even more special. Tell your daughter thanks from me and my missus it reminds us both of my old man. What a poignant story, Pretz, and of course it sums up to perfection why there's always going to be an 'Anytime is bad enough but Xmas Eve...' quote and why the quote is 100% justified. I agree with Franklin and I think an awful lot of us are totally with you on those sorts of memories for lost family. Tell your daughter that a lot of us on the Oatie think she is a very special and amazingly talented young lady. |
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Post by hoffgreen on Dec 31, 2019 19:20:09 GMT
Eric the Eel
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Post by Gods on Dec 31, 2019 20:22:19 GMT
You could indeed speculate all day. For me everything points to dad and son trying to rescue the young daughter in distress in the deep middle. Since it is a matter of debate whether they could swim or not you perhaps suspect they were not strong swimmers at best. The mum allegedly told police the father could not swim then clarified that to say she meant she had not seen him swim. Their lawyer added later he is a native Nigerian who had grown up swimming in rivers to perhaps suggest he was an accomplished swimmer comfortable in torrid waters. The cynic in me didn't buy that, the idea he was some kind of Crocodile Dundee, it looked more like positioning for any ensuing court case. Hate to say it, and it's a theory based on ZERO facts, but could they all have been smoking the wacky baccy and decided a swim was a good idea. It wasn't a theory at all, apart from some speculation that perhaps they were trying to save the girl it was simply an account of what has been reported and some interpretation of that. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 1, 2020 8:02:53 GMT
It reminds me of the crassness of the song do they know it's Christmas? Notwithstanding the great fundraising effort by everyone involved . The vast majority of the population in Africa don't celebrate Christmas . I cringe every time I hear it .
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