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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 18:59:44 GMT
It's no coincidence to me that our best period of today's game came when we went with two up front and the win the other day against Sheff Wed came about when we had two men up front. In general play we look awkward, patchy at best and we generally aren't creating a lot - particularly away (Barnsley manager bounce aside).
What are we missing and is it fixable in the window?
From where i'm sitting, we're missing two good full backs, at least one centre half, a proper midfielder, a right winger and a centre forward that can play the lone role effectively.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:03:13 GMT
Getting rid of Ince would be a good start.....
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2019 19:07:44 GMT
We really do need a strong right winger who can go on the outside.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 29, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
Getting rid of Ince would be a good start..... Exactly this. With Ince in the team it's not a 4 3 3 but a 4 3 2. The bloke is a waste of space pansy who pisses me off. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2019 19:14:22 GMT
Bin it like the other ones who have tried to make it work and failed have over the last few years.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 29, 2019 19:18:29 GMT
I suspect MON tends to use 433 because that is what the squad is suited to
I'd be interested what formation he picks if he is completely successful with ins and outs in the window
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 29, 2019 19:19:03 GMT
Change it to 442.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:26:15 GMT
I suspect MON tends to use 433 because that is what the squad is suited to I'd be interested what formation he picks if he is completely successful with ins and outs in the window He's used it his whole career I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:27:05 GMT
Use 3 different midfielders and buy a good right winger.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 29, 2019 19:27:21 GMT
Better fullbacks better wingers and another CB
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 29, 2019 19:29:27 GMT
Of all the formations you could possibly play 4-3-3 is the worse unless you have a front 3 like Liverpool.
Fulham took the piss first half because we were so lightweight in the middle of the pitch it was embarrassing, they passed through us at will.
When you are shit with limited footballers like we are you have to play a 4-4-2 and drill the system into the players on the training ground.
The old saying of two banks of four will never go out of fashion because players understand simple formations.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 29, 2019 19:34:52 GMT
Get in someone who can get the ball into the box, unlike Ince.
Have 2 strikers waiting for the crosses to come into box, not Gregory.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:41:40 GMT
Regardless of system...
1) left back
2) right wing
3) midfield to replace Allen and on the assumption Etebo is off
They are the three critical before we start on nice to haves
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Post by pavel on Dec 29, 2019 19:41:44 GMT
Without 3 class frontmen, 4-3-3 is a dead duck, with what we’ve got it’s the walking dead. Add to this the lack of decent fullbacks, a lack of a decent partnership at centre back and a midfield that lacks any guile and at times presence it’s madness to persist with it.
We can’t cure all that in one transfer window, O’Neil has to find another way/system or else we will continue to struggle.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2019 19:43:32 GMT
It's no coincidence to me that our best period of today's game came when we went with two up front and the win the other day against Sheff Wed came about when we had two men up front. In general play we look awkward, patchy at best and we generally aren't creating a lot - particularly away (Barnsley manager bounce aside). What are we missing and is it fixable in the window? From where i'm sitting, we're missing two good full backs, at least one centre half, a proper midfielder, a right winger and a centre forward that can play the lone role effectively. That's half a team mate  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:44:19 GMT
It's no coincidence to me that our best period of today's game came when we went with two up front and the win the other day against Sheff Wed came about when we had two men up front. In general play we look awkward, patchy at best and we generally aren't creating a lot - particularly away (Barnsley manager bounce aside). What are we missing and is it fixable in the window? From where i'm sitting, we're missing two good full backs, at least one centre half, a proper midfielder, a right winger and a centre forward that can play the lone role effectively. That's half a team mate Sorry Dave, should it have been more? 😁 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2019 19:45:56 GMT
That's half a team mate Sorry Dave, should it have been more? 😁 Probably |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2019 19:49:36 GMT
I think O' Neill is shrewd enough to know the defeciencies we have and will do his utmost to address them in January. I think given what he has at his disposal, he has done pretty well so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:53:00 GMT
Butland
Edwards Shawcross Batth *New Signing*
*New Signing*
Clucas Etebo
*New Signing* Gregory McClean
But honestly I'd rather we played with a 10.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 29, 2019 20:01:35 GMT
Without 3 class frontmen, 4-3-3 is a dead duck, with what we’ve got it’s the walking dead. Add to this the lack of decent fullbacks, a lack of a decent partnership at centre back and a midfield that lacks any guile and at times presence it’s madness to persist with it. We can’t cure all that in one transfer window, O’Neil has to find another way/system or else we will continue to struggle. We have a front 3 of McClean, Gregory and Ince. Those three are so limited that they play in their own zones and can't interchange, Gregory stays in the middle trying to win aimless forward punts, McClean stays wide left with a one trick of trying to go outside the fullback and Ince stays wide right continually cutting inside because he doesn't have a right foot. The gap between the three is massive and theinterplay between the front three is non existant. Liverpool have a front three of Firmino, Mane and Salah. Now I accept they are in a different league to the Stoke front three but do any of the those Liverpool front three stay so rigidly to wide right, centre and wide left? 4-3-3 is a shit formation unless you have a talented flexible front 3, we most definitely don't. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2019 20:05:35 GMT
The stubborn fucker has got to stop playing it in the first place especially as key personnel in it are wank or crippled.
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 29, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
6 new players in order of priority
1) Mobile goalscorer with pace
2) RB + LB who can position themselves well both attacking and defending
3) RW who can cross or beat a man
4) CDM of the Ben Pearson / Glenn Whelan ilk; not Jordan Cousins
5) CB to partner Ryan when fit who is a natural leader and ideally pacey, unlike Danny Batth
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Post by BuckRogers on Dec 29, 2019 20:09:39 GMT
I think the best way play with these players is just hoof it. Play for knock downs
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 29, 2019 20:10:20 GMT
Ditch it, aparently he has no set way of playing so it should be easy for him........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 20:16:42 GMT
He just needs to pay far more attention to The Oatcake.
I appreciate that his "Club" experience is limited, but he very quickly needs to realise where the "knowledge" resides. He can employ as many people as he wants - all highly successful men, in their own fields. But why waste the money and time?
The Oatcake is The Holy Grail.
For not a penny piece at all (to be sure), he can view the inspired posts of Bayern. On his day off he can spend all of that day pedantically holding ground against an opposing agenda (Toxic Suspender). If he is really lucky, Geoff321 may appear. Now Geoff 321 only does "look at me" posts. He will ALWAYS be arguing a case FOR a manager, referee, linesman, club owner .... But I'm sure that a little "whisper in his ear" could sort that out.
Once our Micky realises all of this - we will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 20:18:07 GMT
It's no coincidence to me that our best period of today's game came when we went with two up front and the win the other day against Sheff Wed came about when we had two men up front. In general play we look awkward, patchy at best and we generally aren't creating a lot - particularly away (Barnsley manager bounce aside). What are we missing and is it fixable in the window? From where i'm sitting, we're missing two good full backs, at least one centre half, a proper midfielder, a right winger and a centre forward that can play the lone role effectively. That's half a team mate We can supply up to four of those positions ourselves: Verlinden, Sorensen, Collins, and Tymon. They all have limited Championship experience, but they are not inexperienced in other respects. Bringing them all in at the same time is a no can do, but Verlinden is ready, and Tymon is being promoted by the manager as a long term alternative to Ward, and perhaps even a short term, given the Irishman's age and faltering form and fitness (but we should probably sign a multiback just in case it doesn't work for Josh). |
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Post by stokieoldboy on Dec 29, 2019 20:19:49 GMT
Getting rid of Ince would be a good start..... How much game time do we keep giving this excuse for a footballer, FFS yes he might run around, looking like he's doing something,But in reality,he's doing fcuk all, he contributes zero, to the team effort, why on earth doesn't O'neill see that,its like playing with ten players every time he's in the side, he can't tackle, head a ball, take a player on, get a ball in the box, shoot and work the keeper,so what fcukg use is he,for the team,Wake up O'neill and drop the fcukg waster now. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 29, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
He just needs to pay far more attention to The Oatcake. I appreciate that his "Club" experience is limited, but if he hasn't realised by now that to succeed you have to know where the "knowledge" resides. He can employ as many people as he wants - all highly successful men, in their own fields. But why waste money and time? The Oatcake is The Holy Grail. For not a penny piece at all (to be sure), he can view the inspired posts of Bayern. On his day off he can spend all of that day pedantically holding ground against an opposing agenda (Toxic Suspender). If he is really lucky, Geoff321 may appear. Now Geoff 321 only does "look at me" posts. He will ALWAYS be arguing a case FOR a manager, referee, linesman, club owner .... But I'm sure that a little "whisper in his ear" could sort that out. Once our Micky realises all of this - we will be fine. Naughty  |
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Post by onyourbonce on Dec 29, 2019 20:28:18 GMT
Think he’s playing 4-3-3 to suit what shit playing staff he has. We certainly need to go 2 up top, but we have no right winger to play 4-4-2. What else do we do? Until he can bring in some new personnel there’s not a lot he can do in my opinion. We recruited to play Jones’s shitty fucking diamond
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2019 20:28:51 GMT
I suspect MON tends to use 433 because that is what the squad is suited to I'd be interested what formation he picks if he is completely successful with ins and outs in the window I'm not sure it is though. Rowett wanted to play it but recruited appallingly for it. If Allen's going to remain a fixture though we have to play a three-man midfield with a proper DM so we probably can't do much else while he remains here and apparently untouchable. The only other option is a 3-5-2 or variant of it. Am I right in thinking 433 was MON's preference more often than not for Northern Ireland? To make it work, we need some drive in midfield (which we have but are choosing not to use), and some pace to play effectively on the counter, which we don't currently have. |
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