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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 1, 2020 20:56:55 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? Your opinion (agenda) has no bounds.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:04:30 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? Your opinion (agenda) has no bounds. Oh behave. He’s saved half of the shots he’s faced that have been on target. The only ones with an agenda are the ones who don’t want to admit how bad Butland has been.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 1, 2020 21:04:43 GMT
A good manager will be analyzing every part of the game, that's how you make changes and improve. What's wrong with the fans doing the same ? If that’s what he’s doing then fair enough but some would rather point to the negatives than enjoy the positives It is possible to do more than one thing at a time. I am delighted we won, but we should not given given two sloppy goals. It should have been 5-0. Those two goals along with the many others we have given away this season have cost us dearly. There’s no way we should be in a relegation battle with the talent with have in the squad and the money we have spent to assemble it. Frankly we should be in the top six, but we’re not because of poor defending and goal-keeping mistakes against very bad teams like Huddersfield.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2020 21:05:08 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? He aint the worst keeper
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 21:05:36 GMT
I think you have to look at the bigger picture
Jack's been accountable for so many soft goals over the last 2 seasons and the figures spell that out in respect to saving approximately 1 out of 2 shots on goal.
It's not just that though he appears to have lost all confidence in coming out for crosses and appears tp be permananently stuck to his line.
You can blame the defence who havent been great but some of the responsibility has to be down to Jack as he's constantly messing up.
He needs a move. I dont think federici is the answer but I dont remember him doing much wrong prior to being dropped.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 1, 2020 21:06:39 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? He aint the worst keeper Udders’ keeper was worse to be perfectly frank.
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Post by adi on Jan 1, 2020 21:09:24 GMT
I think you have to look at the bigger picture Jack's been accountable for so many soft goals over the last 2 seasons and the figures spell that out in respect to saving approximately 1 out of 2 shots on goal. It's not just that though he appears to have lost all confidence in coming out for crosses and appears tp be permananently stuck to his line. You can blame the defence who havent been great but some of the responsibility has to be down to Jack as he's constantly messing up. He needs a move. I dont think federici is the answer but I dont remember him doing much wrong prior to being dropped. Consistently the sane voice of reason. Don’t think Federici would be a bad #1 though
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Post by thicknthin on Jan 1, 2020 21:09:57 GMT
Udders’ keeper was worse to be perfectly frank. Watched the game with Huddersfield supporters and they would be happy to have Jack
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:10:03 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? He aint the worst keeper He has been this season. There hasn’t been a single player who has been at fault for more goals has there? And then add that to being bottom of the saves from shots on target stat, you pretty much have the figures to back that assertion up.
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Post by mistergumby on Jan 1, 2020 21:10:14 GMT
It's very simple. Since 1970 when I first attended a Stoke game, the supporters have always had to have a boo boy to target regardless of the club's league standing. Now McClean seems to have absolved himself of his sins via being played in his correct position, his effort and standard of performance, it's Butland who is now the target. I'd love to see the CV's of those who are criticising him and his performances on here detailing what they've achieved as players and/or coaches in the professional game.
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Post by adi on Jan 1, 2020 21:10:50 GMT
I’m quite glad that people have voiced their opinion about Jack. He has been awful and has cost us big time.
There’s a very glaring reason why he’s still here...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:11:51 GMT
It's very simple. Since 1970 when I first attended a Stoke game, the supporters have always had to have a boo boy to target regardless of the club's league standing. Now McClean seems to have absolved himself of his sins via being played in his correct position, his effort and standard of performance, it's Butland Well there's your answer,Butland plays better he won't get stick
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 1, 2020 21:12:02 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? butland has to be brought back to form in order to restore his value, that's not going to happen unless he players his way back th club won't allow him to fade away
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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2020 21:17:34 GMT
He has been this season. There hasn’t been a single player who has been at fault for more goals has there? And then add that to being bottom of the saves from shots on target stat, you pretty much have the figures to back that assertion up. simple that stupid cunt Linsey who is one foul away been sent off ,gives the 1st one away ,the second is a free man given a simple run and Bruno been pulled back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:21:15 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? butland has to be brought back to form in order to restore his value, that's not going to happen unless he players his way back th club won't allow him to fade away Loan him out.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 1, 2020 21:22:08 GMT
It's a pointless debate by people who like the sound of their own voices who wouldn't know how to play or coach football if their lives depended on it. Football is a great game played by human beings not robots. You only have to look at the way Riley is robotising the game with his crackpot implementation of VAR - it's ruining the beautiful game and is hated by supporters. You could analyse every player on the pitch today in every game in the land and pick out mistakes. Butland has made mistakes but he is coming back to form - what you going to do? Replace him with Federici, if so that's complete fucking bollocks. Cue some shite about it being a message board... Yeah God forbid we discuss why we have to score 3 goals a game to win. Today was two poor sides defensively having a shit off. It was entertaining because we were the much better side offensively and actually played some really nice stuff. To ignore the state of the defending though is absolutely imbecilic. It was awful. Butland is a liability. The biggest one in the league And why is replacing him with a better player bollocks? It was about the one good thing Jones did. Federici better than Butland. Have a lie down son.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
He has been this season. There hasn’t been a single player who has been at fault for more goals has there? And then add that to being bottom of the saves from shots on target stat, you pretty much have the figures to back that assertion up. simple that stupid cunt Linsey who is one foul away been sent off ,gives the 1st one away ,the second is a free man given a simple run and Bruno been pulled back Behave. That’s having an agenda. Butland doesn’t need to his job because someone gave away a free kick. Laughable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:23:23 GMT
Yeah God forbid we discuss why we have to score 3 goals a game to win. Today was two poor sides defensively having a shit off. It was entertaining because we were the much better side offensively and actually played some really nice stuff. To ignore the state of the defending though is absolutely imbecilic. It was awful. Butland is a liability. The biggest one in the league And why is replacing him with a better player bollocks? It was about the one good thing Jones did. Federici better than Butland. Have a lie down son. Easily this season. It’s not even debatable.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 1, 2020 21:23:45 GMT
It's very simple. Since 1970 when I first attended a Stoke game, the supporters have always had to have a boo boy to target regardless of the club's league standing. Now McClean seems to have absolved himself of his sins via being played in his correct position, his effort and standard of performance, it's Butland who is now the target. I'd love to see the CV's of those who are criticising him and his performances on here detailing what they've achieved as players and/or coaches in the professional game. Don’t talk such sense. It isn’t about constructive opinion/ criticism. It’s a vocal minority believing continued drivel will become fact and influence others.
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 1, 2020 21:26:40 GMT
He has been this season. There hasn’t been a single player who has been at fault for more goals has there? And then add that to being bottom of the saves from shots on target stat, you pretty much have the figures to back that assertion up. The amount of mistakes and sloppy goals he as cost us is probably well into double figures,the defence really dont help though tbh. think we would all love for him to get back to the player he should of been and be an england international but really cannot see it happening especially at stoke if anywhere a loan move to villa?or even abroad would be best for all involved i think
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 1, 2020 21:27:59 GMT
The same people who are telling us Butland is shite are the same people who bleat about that wanker Badou. Meanwhile the manager proves them wrong by turning our season around.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 1, 2020 21:29:02 GMT
butland has to be brought back to form in order to restore his value, that's not going to happen unless he players his way back th club won't allow him to fade away Loan him out. Not sure that's possible. We would also need to sign another keeper
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:31:44 GMT
Yeah God forbid we discuss why we have to score 3 goals a game to win. Today was two poor sides defensively having a shit off. It was entertaining because we were the much better side offensively and actually played some really nice stuff. To ignore the state of the defending though is absolutely imbecilic. It was awful. Butland is a liability. The biggest one in the league And why is replacing him with a better player bollocks? It was about the one good thing Jones did. Federici better than Butland. Have a lie down son. Patronising rubbish. Butland got dropped twice,it wasn't because he was playing well was it. I repeat Butland has made numerous mistakes that have directly cost goals,Federici hasn't.Thats all that matters,not Butland's past as England's no.2 4 years ago.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:32:21 GMT
The same people who are telling us Butland is shite are the same people who bleat about that wanker Badou. Meanwhile the manager proves them wrong by turning our season around. Badou has done more good things this than Butland. Re MON, he’s the manager I wanted so what are you on about? 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:33:15 GMT
Not sure that's possible. We would also need to sign another keeper I think we’d be fine. But ideally we need a new goalie with Butland here anyway. Him staying here is good for no one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:35:02 GMT
The same people who are telling us Butland is shite are the same people who bleat about that wanker Badou. Meanwhile the manager proves them wrong by turning our season around. But it's ok for you to say Federici is shite ?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 21:35:46 GMT
It's very simple. Since 1970 when I first attended a Stoke game, the supporters have always had to have a boo boy to target regardless of the club's league standing. Now McClean seems to have absolved himself of his sins via being played in his correct position, his effort and standard of performance, it's Butland who is now the target. I'd love to see the CV's of those who are criticising him and his performances on here detailing what they've achieved as players and/or coaches in the professional game. I dont think Stoke fans are unique. Most clubs have a boo boy. I certainly would never boo a player but you dont have to be a pro coach to see what's staring you in the face. Lets face it not all the best players make great managers and some of the best managers weren't the greatest players. If a players playing badly you dont have to be a pro / ex pro to see that. There's nothing wrong with a fan having an opinion isnt that what makes the game.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2020 21:37:49 GMT
simple that stupid cunt Linsey who is one foul away been sent off ,gives the 1st one away ,the second is a free man given a simple run and Bruno been pulled back Behave. That’s having an agenda. Butland doesn’t need to his job because someone gave away a free kick. Laughable. and you dont ;basicaly what your saying is ;last mans problem have said this many times ,but people dont listen
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 1, 2020 21:39:01 GMT
I think you have to look at the bigger picture Jack's been accountable for so many soft goals over the last 2 seasons and the figures spell that out in respect to saving approximately 1 out of 2 shots on goal. It's not just that though he appears to have lost all confidence in coming out for crosses and appears tp be permananently stuck to his line. You can blame the defence who havent been great but some of the responsibility has to be down to Jack as he's constantly messing up. He needs a move. I dont think federici is the answer but I dont remember him doing much wrong prior to being dropped. That is spot on that,i think davies could be the answer but if that turns out to be a disaster then i dont think fed would be to bad till end of the season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:40:03 GMT
Behave. That’s having an agenda. Butland doesn’t need to his job because someone gave away a free kick. Laughable. and you dont ;basicaly what your saying is ;last mans problem have said this many times ,but people dont listen What?
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