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Post by ravey123 on Dec 26, 2019 18:27:31 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals)
Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal)
Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan)
Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me)
Ward - 6 (decent)
Ince - 4 (really poor)
Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked)
Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance)
McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured)
Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury)
Gregory - 7 (held up play really well)
Campbell - 6 (great finish)
Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 18:35:16 GMT
Completely disagree about Ince. He showed every time we had the ball. That dragged their fullback out giving Gregory loads of space. When he had the ball they doubled up giving others time around him.
Could have easily won that 3 or 4. Clucas chance first half, stonewall penalty, sitter 4 yards out from Vokes, great save from keeper from Vokes.....thats all down the 11...Ince included.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 26, 2019 18:37:51 GMT
Agree with them bar:
Butland 6, don’t think he did anything to warrant a 7. Not his fault, we controlled the game for most of it.
Batth 4 thought he was really poor.
Allen 6.5 was busy and really good in the first half but hid in the second imo.
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 26, 2019 18:38:24 GMT
Ince was fucking wank!
We won that game with 10 men
Butland 7
Smith 7
Batth 7
Shawcross 9 (hero)
Ward 6
Allen 8
Clucas 7
Cousins 8
Ince 2
Gregory 6
McClean 8
Subs:
Campbell 6 (great goal!)
Vokes 6
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 26, 2019 19:02:04 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) That pretty much sums it up for me also!!! 👍🏼 |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 26, 2019 19:12:18 GMT
Butland - 6 (For me it seems like the communication with the defence in front of him isn't there. I'd also expect him to command the box better!) Smith - 7 (Certainly looks a better choice than Edwards to me.) Shawcross - 8.5 MOM (So good to have him back! Showed a lot of determination too!)) Batth - 7 (Decent, but some sketchy moments too today.) Ward - 6 (OK, but not the answer after the window!) Ince - 7 (A lot of good moments, but maybe a little lack of self belief right now.) Allen - 8 (Starting to look the player we all know is in there!) Cousins. 7 (Thought he had a good game. Important that he makes things simple.) McClean - 8 (Impressed by his tireless work and got rewarded today too!) Clucas - 7 (Thought he really tried hard today, but should have scored and also should have had a penalty again!) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well, but seems incapable of scoring goals at the moment.) Campbell - 7 (Can't expect much more from him attacking-wise in such a short time on the pitch, but should have done better when Wednesday got their second!) Vokes - 7 (For scoring the winner, but should really have bagged at least one more!) Anyway, we're above the drop zone right now!  |
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Post by thehoof on Dec 26, 2019 19:13:22 GMT
Butland - 7 , came for a couple of crosses, could not do anything with the goals, in fact a brilliant save for the second goal ( first header).
Smith - 7, he played okay.
Ba’ath- 6, sold himself with no chance of winning headers more than once, thankfully it wasn’t Lindsay or BMI behind him.
Shawcross-9,if he could finish it would be 10, but at last, somebody who didn’t give up when we went behind.
Ward -7, thought he was decent.
Allen -7.5, good effort for the first , even though McLean finished it off.
Cousins -7 vast improvement from Friday night’s effort.
Clucas -8, great cross for the first, great header for Campbell’s second and left the defender for dead when Blind Pugh didn’t give the Penalty.
Ince- 6.5, very good first half, ineffective second half but still one of his better performances; which isn’t saying much.
Gregory-7 , plenty of effort and good build up play, but he never looks like scoring.
McLean-9.5 - brilliant.
Campbell- 7; the only natural finisher we have. Either transfer his finishing ability to Gregory, or Gregory’s hold up play to Campbell and then we’d have a proper striker.
Vokes-7 put away the chance when it mattered. Two in four makes him prolific by our standards.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 26, 2019 19:21:02 GMT
Ince was fucking wank! We won that game with 10 men Butland 7 Smith 7 Batth 7 Shawcross 9 (hero) Ward 6 Allen 8 Clucas 7 Cousins 8 Ince 2 Gregory 6 McClean 8 Subs: Campbell 6 (great goal!) Vokes 6 You don't like Ince do you  |
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 26, 2019 19:23:18 GMT
Ince was fucking wank! We won that game with 10 men Butland 7 Smith 7 Batth 7 Shawcross 9 (hero) Ward 6 Allen 8 Clucas 7 Cousins 8 Ince 2 Gregory 6 McClean 8 Subs: Campbell 6 (great goal!) Vokes 6 You don't like Ince do you He is garbage! Offers fuck all, cant beat a man, cant cross, andncan shoot but manages to miss by 3 inches each time! |
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 26, 2019 19:24:57 GMT
For me
Butland 6
Smith 7
Ward 6
Shawcross 8
Baath 6
Cousins 7
Allen 8
Clucas 7
Ince 7
McClean 9
Greggers 7
Subs
Campbell 8
Vokes 8
I think some giving Ince a 2/10 is harsh. In my opinion he looked threatening
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 26, 2019 19:31:31 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind  Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 26, 2019 19:50:05 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) I think that's a very fair and accurate appraisal. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 26, 2019 20:14:22 GMT
You don't like Ince do you He is garbage! Offers fuck all, cant beat a man, cant cross, andncan shoot but manages to miss by 3 inches each time! I disagree, he got stuck in today, did well winning the ball back, its not going for him going forward but if you don't think he's improved in the more defencive side of the game then im not sure what you're watching. He also put a good cross in today and no one moved for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 20:18:49 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks Never played in goal have you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 20:24:55 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks Clucas shocking? Set up the 1st and 2nd goal. Should have had a clear pen and was playing with a knock. Butland pulls of an incredible save for there 2nd goal. Not at fault for either. It’s easy to keep picking out bad in players and ignore the glaringly good things they offer |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 26, 2019 20:29:16 GMT
fuck it, they can all have a 10 from now til the end of the season every time we win a match. I'll only mark their score down if we don't. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 20:52:52 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Ince had a decent game again today. I’d rate his general form as 6.5 for much of the games since O’Neill. He still needs to dominate a game every now and again like McClean does, but he has played reasonably for a while now. |
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 26, 2019 20:56:48 GMT
I only listened to the commentary so I cannot give ratings but wanted to share an observation. Just hearing the commentary and comparing what is said on these ratings is interesting. Ince clearly splits opinions but the radio noted more than once he was doing well and creating space off the ball. Also barely mentioned Allen (though that does not mean he did not play well). Shawcross and McClean also got lots of mention which does jive with most of the ratings.
Just find it interesting how so many different opinions can be formed all watching the same game.
For me just thrilled we got 3 points and hopefully carry some momentum.
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Post by chad on Dec 26, 2019 20:58:00 GMT
Ince and Joe get unreasonable stick on here
Thought both were very good today
9 for Joe. 8 for Tom
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 26, 2019 21:03:08 GMT
Butland - 6 - was ok but his kicking sometimes does my head in. Cant he just practice it alot more in training?
Smith - 6 he seems more versatile than Edwards.
Shawcross - 8 he was dominant and a commanding figure, we needed a leader today
Batth - 6 was ok, but just cant trust him
Ward - 6 better than usual which is not saying much!
Ince - 6 I thought he did ok, yes, he is capable of alot more which is frustrating
Allen - 7 - one of his best games for Stoke
Cousins. 7 solid for the most part
McClean - 9 - i thought he was phenomenal, such drive and passion and always a threat, the corner for the winner after the tackle he was in, was an iconic moment for me.
Clucas - 7 - would have been a 6 but for the clever header to Campbell for the equaliser
Gregory - 6 held up play well, but we need a bloody goalscorer!!!
Campbell - 7 - that was a superb finish, and the winning the header for Vokes was really key
Vokes - 6 would have been 5 if hadn't have scored the winner...missed a sitter before that
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 26, 2019 22:28:01 GMT
Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks Clucas shocking? Set up the 1st and 2nd goal. Should have had a clear pen and was playing with a knock. Butland pulls of an incredible save for there 2nd goal. Not at fault for either. It’s easy to keep picking out bad in players and ignore the glaringly good things they offer I did not pick out the bad in all our players I was positive for quite a few of them. Clucas put in a good cross for our 1st goal and is a good crosser/set piece player but his overall performance was poor, for me, today. He missed a sitter(although did get into the right place in the box) and also lost the ball which lead to their corner(goal). I like him and is becoming a good little player, but, for me, had a poor game over the 90 minutes - can do better and I think it was the original poster that marked him as a 6 I did say with Butland I would reserve the right to change my mind when I see the rerun: 1st goal our defender let the Wed player get the flick(poor defending) Butland angles were poor, the flick was 2 yards from the touchline and he let the ball go across him - poor positioning. 2nd goal I stand corrected it was out of the 6 yard box and behind him and, as you say, a brilliant save and as per the rest of the season his defence deserted him when the ball came back out |
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Post by adi on Dec 26, 2019 22:33:52 GMT
Ince and Joe get unreasonable stick on here Thought both were very good today 9 for Joe. 8 for Tom Ince: 1 goal 1 assist so far in 21 games... it’s not unreasonable. |
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Post by datguy on Dec 26, 2019 22:34:46 GMT
Butland 7
Smith 7
Shawcross 9
Batth 6
Ward 6
Allen 9
Cousins 8
Clucas 7
Ince 5.5
Gregory 6
McClean 9
Tye 7
Vokes 7
Just want to mention Joe Allen. He was superb today and as already stated, controlled Bannan all game. Best game he's had for us imo.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 26, 2019 23:11:26 GMT
Butland 7
Smith 7
Shawcross 9.5
Batth 5
Ward 7
Cousins 7
Allen 8
Clucas 7
Ince 5
Gregory 8
McLean 9
Campbell 7
Vokes 7
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Post by stokerstayinup on Dec 26, 2019 23:43:31 GMT
Agree with them bar: Butland 6, don’t think he did anything to warrant a 7. Not his fault, we controlled the game for most of it. Batth 4 thought he was really poor. Allen 6.5 was busy and really good in the first half but hid in the second imo. Allen hid haha,of all the things you can accuse Allen of.Pisser. |
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Post by slicko on Dec 27, 2019 0:15:59 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks Allen is docked two points for not tracking his player for their second goal. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2019 1:54:04 GMT
Agree with them bar: Butland 6, don’t think he did anything to warrant a 7. Not his fault, we controlled the game for most of it. Batth 4 thought he was really poor. Allen 6.5 was busy and really good in the first half but hid in the second imo. Allen hid haha,of all the things you can accuse Allen of.Pisser. Second half I thought he did. He’s a master of it tbf. Arrives late but still looks like he’s putting in effort etc. |
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 27, 2019 3:00:31 GMT
Butland - 7 (didn't have tht much to do and no chance with both goals) Smith - 6 (didn'tdo a great deal) Shawcross - 9 MOM (commanding and a real captains performance - welcome back Ryan) Batth - 6 (decent but worries thelife out of me) Ward - 6 (decent) Ince - 4 (really poor) Allen - 8 (clearly won his battle with Bannon who should have walked) Cousins. 7 (much more rigid and workmanlike performance) McClean - 8 (worked tirelessly whilst obviously injured) Clucas - 6 (quiet game but sounds like he is still carrying the foot injury) Gregory - 7 (held up play really well) Campbell - 6 (great finish) Vokes - 6 (scored but should have done better with 2 earlier easier chances) Allen(9) was man of the match, he was everywhere for 90mins. Batth was just as good as Shawx, all of the defenders were good today, we restricted them to scraps in open play and virtually no threat at all, apart from those 2 corners Butland was a 2 for me: he flapped at a nothing cross in the 1st half and ended up kicking it against his defender, could have been another bizarre error that could have lead to a goal out of no real threat. For their 1st goal he was poorly positioned on his line and should have been commanding his 6 yard box and stopping the ball going across him. 2nd goal also looked at fault to me, the ball was crossed smack in the middle of the 6 yard box, has to be commanding that area - That said I have not seen any replays so I reserve the right to change my mind Clucas had a shocker, not sure how he got 6, and Ince gets a 4 - Ince was good today and ran his nads off Apart from that I agree with all other marks This guys had too much egg nog🙄 |
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Post by thanksjon on Dec 27, 2019 9:37:49 GMT
Isnt it great that we are picking a zmOTM based on who was best rather than least worst
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Post by musik on Dec 27, 2019 10:03:43 GMT
Butland 7
Smith 8
Batth 5
Shawcross 7.5
Ward 6
Allen 7
Clucas 7
Cousins 3
Ince 5
Gregory 5
McClean 9
Subs:
Campbell 7
Vokes 7.5
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