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Post by chigstoke on Dec 21, 2019 0:06:04 GMT
Seriously
And look where we find ourselves, in the relegation zone of the championship. Cracking stuff.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 21, 2019 0:31:52 GMT
Gravity crocodile
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Post by mcw on Dec 21, 2019 0:33:34 GMT
About 60% of Denise’s salary this year, still bet she had more to show for it😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 1:15:56 GMT
What's all the fucking fuss about...
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 21, 2019 1:16:44 GMT
Seriously And look where we find ourselves, in the relegation zone of the championship. Cracking stuff. On outgoing minus incoming transfer fees, we were in 16th place on the world football charts ? At least we are still good at one thing, fucking things up ! |
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Post by pushon on Dec 21, 2019 1:58:15 GMT
Seriously And look where we find ourselves, in the relegation zone of the championship. Cracking stuff. What is your interpretation of £1billion....ie: How many £millions=£1billion? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 21, 2019 2:03:37 GMT
Surely not possible for “little old Stoke?”
The opportunity of a club’s lifetime squandered.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 2:08:14 GMT
Surely not possible for “little old Stoke?” The opportunity of a club’s lifetime squandered. This is the bit that pisses me off. All the chat when we were in the PL was of a well run club but it never was. We should not be anywhere near the depths we are. We should have been set. Off the pitch throughout the PL years we remained a joke. Results covered that. Recruitment always seemed odd. Results covered that. But it was still evident. You need to be critical even when things are seemingly going well. We never tried to excel imo and that pissed me off. We never tried to be the best version of this club we could be on and off the field. We never looked to future proof or get in the 21st century with anything we did. What an absolute waste. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 21, 2019 2:38:06 GMT
Surely not possible for “little old Stoke?” The opportunity of a club’s lifetime squandered. Exactly. There's absolutely no excuse for it, either. The people at the top are clueless. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Dec 21, 2019 3:56:14 GMT
And what great value for money we got out of it. Yeah right. Nett value of current squad probably (with a good following wind and a great deal of luck) around £25 million. Where did it all go wrong they ask. I'm sure the Coates's and Scholes will be able to clarify.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Dec 21, 2019 6:58:25 GMT
Seriously And look where we find ourselves, in the relegation zone of the championship. Cracking stuff. This... The waste has been extraordinary. If we had a CEO who knew what the fuck he was doing and a manager who was a builder with experience I just wonder where we’d be. Yet we spent far less on managers than most, and never seemed to recruit well. We needed to push on mid Hughes when it was clear he wasn’t a “builder”. We’ve needed a Ferguson/Moyes type character for years and I think it might be O Neil from what I’ve seen so far. Just hope he’s got the quality and vision to back it up |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 8:58:32 GMT
Seriously And look where we find ourselves, in the relegation zone of the championship. Cracking stuff. This... The waste has been extraordinary. If we had a CEO who knew what the fuck he was doing and a manager who was a builder with experience I just wonder where we’d be. Yet we spent far less on managers than most, and never seemed to recruit well. We needed to push on mid Hughes when it was clear he wasn’t a “builder”. We’ve needed a Ferguson/Moyes type character for years and I think it might be O Neil from what I’ve seen so far. Just hope he’s got the quality and vision to back it up That’s just it the process and the vested interest within it removed the only a manger not prepared to tolerate it and then set the course . Said it for 5 years Tony Scholes set this course he is the root of -and represents everything toxic in stoke city and I said then and repeat now nothing will improve until he’s gone .As for this manager recruited by the same process and will be killed by the same process but he is clueless and never was in any way qualified to do the job . |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 21, 2019 9:23:58 GMT
Don't tell biscuit. Throwing endless cash at it was the answer to all our problems apparently.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 21, 2019 9:25:59 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 9:31:16 GMT
Don't tell biscuit. Throwing endless cash at it was the answer to all our problems apparently. We didn’t invest at the crucial time because previous investments were cause for concern , we tried to change to sustainable in a knee jerk see Jesse for Arnie , while bournemouth , Palace , Leicester , West Ham all below us upped their game even wolves , no forward for lambert etc , then knee jerked back seeing money as the biggest differentiator in the new league .All of which was executed in what the chief executive calls a process I see as personal and vested interest in retaining control , no manager of gravitas which the investment merited would tolerate , in effect we allowed a Ferrari of investment to be driven by learner drivers with a football Pygmy for a instructor . The fact the one responsible had not yet been held accountable the biggest crime of all . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:38:50 GMT
Money we probably won't see again and money we definitely can't spend again.
A crime of three people's making of which thousands will suffer for a long time.
In short an utter, utter disgrace.
See you at Fleetwood next Boxing Day.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 21, 2019 10:11:00 GMT
Don't tell biscuit. Throwing endless cash at it was the answer to all our problems apparently. We didn’t invest at the crucial time because previous investments were cause for concern , we tried to change to sustainable in a knee jerk see Jesse for Arnie , while bournemouth , Palace , Leicester , West Ham all below us upped their game even wolves , no forward for lambert etc , then knee jerked back seeing money as the biggest differentiator in the new league .All of which was executed in what the chief executive calls a process I see as personal and vested interest in retaining control , no manager of gravitas which the investment merited would tolerate , in effect we allowed a Ferrari of investment to be driven by learner drivers with a football Pygmy for a instructor . The fact the one responsible had not yet been held accountable the biggest crime of all . Can you explain to me which part of Wimmer, Imbula and Saido the CEO maintained personal control of. Then repeat the answer for the 60m Rowett blew and the 11 clowns we signed under Jones. 3 managers have been backed to the hilt, every single one made a total pigs ear of it. He's far from perfect, I'd see him gone tomorrow but can we really blame all of the above on him? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 10:46:22 GMT
We didn’t invest at the crucial time because previous investments were cause for concern , we tried to change to sustainable in a knee jerk see Jesse for Arnie , while bournemouth , Palace , Leicester , West Ham all below us upped their game even wolves , no forward for lambert etc , then knee jerked back seeing money as the biggest differentiator in the new league .All of which was executed in what the chief executive calls a process I see as personal and vested interest in retaining control , no manager of gravitas which the investment merited would tolerate , in effect we allowed a Ferrari of investment to be driven by learner drivers with a football Pygmy for a instructor . The fact the one responsible had not yet been held accountable the biggest crime of all . Can you explain to me which part of Wimmer, Imbula and Saido the CEO maintained personal control of. Then repeat the answer for the 60m Rowett blew and the 11 clowns we signed under Jones. 3 managers have been backed to the hilt, every single one made a total pigs ear of it. He's far from perfect, I'd see him gone tomorrow but can we really blame all of the above on him? Ultimately the chief executive is responsible for the running of the business and the decisions to recruit key personnel the structure they work in their job performance and the decisions they make . That’s way he or she is paid so well and in this case disgustingly so . The chief executive has stood firmly behind the process that selected the managers and the frameworks they worked in.My view is that’s because it perpetuates the justification for his own role no way would the Moyes allarcyce etc have stops for the process .which ultimately removed the incumbent manager who wouldn’t . it’s clearly why Rowett walked before a ball was kicked We’ve changed the players we’ve changed the managers and the situation continued to deteriorate it’s on His watch it’s his accountability |
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Post by shipshape on Dec 21, 2019 11:10:21 GMT
Can you explain to me which part of Wimmer, Imbula and Saido the CEO maintained personal control of. Then repeat the answer for the 60m Rowett blew and the 11 clowns we signed under Jones. 3 managers have been backed to the hilt, every single one made a total pigs ear of it. He's far from perfect, I'd see him gone tomorrow but can we really blame all of the above on him? Ultimately the chief executive is responsible for the running of the business and the decisions to recruit key personnel the structure they work in their job performance and the decisions they make . That’s way he or she is paid so well and in this case disgustingly so . The chief executive has stood firmly behind the process that selected the managers and the frameworks they worked in.My view is that’s because it perpetuates the justification for his own role no way would the Moyes allarcyce etc have stops for the process .which ultimately removed the incumbent manager who wouldn’t . it’s clearly why Rowett walked before a ball was kicked We’ve changed the players we’ve changed the managers and the situation continued to deteriorate it’s on His watch it’s his accountability The chief executive could have been out on his arse at any time those that pay his wages deemed fit. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 12:16:02 GMT
Ultimately the chief executive is responsible for the running of the business and the decisions to recruit key personnel the structure they work in their job performance and the decisions they make . That’s way he or she is paid so well and in this case disgustingly so . The chief executive has stood firmly behind the process that selected the managers and the frameworks they worked in.My view is that’s because it perpetuates the justification for his own role no way would the Moyes allarcyce etc have stops for the process .which ultimately removed the incumbent manager who wouldn’t . it’s clearly why Rowett walked before a ball was kicked We’ve changed the players we’ve changed the managers and the situation continued to deteriorate it’s on His watch it’s his accountability The chief executive could have been out on his arse at any time those that pay his wages deemed fit. I agree they are at fault for misplaced loyalty but it doesn’t change who is pos paid to run the club who is influencing them etc .thet debt change bit we dns get a proper football man in the board room after all we have a current FD as well |
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Post by shipshape on Dec 21, 2019 12:32:36 GMT
The chief executive could have been out on his arse at any time those that pay his wages deemed fit. I agree they are at fault for misplaced loyalty but it doesn’t change who is pos paid to run the club who is influencing them etc .thet debt change bit we dns get a proper football man in the board room after all we have a current FD as well Yghjuddtr%&njhg |
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Post by generationex on Dec 21, 2019 12:58:07 GMT
Since the new recruitment process was put in place in January 2013 we’ve made one (unqualified) successful signing - Arnie- the other 70odd have fallen between ‘uncommitted’ to ‘worst signings in world football’.
We have former players -
- that have stopped playing professional football (literally) at 27,
- still pay millions to players that drift from club to club from year to year (and only continue to be professional footballers because we pay their wages)
- have players that want to play their football in Turkey (on the basis we make up the difference in their wages so they can play there)
- have 30 players that are unsellable, paid far beyond their worth.
In those 6 (SIX) years we have sold one player for decent money and sold Nzonzi, Huth and Shaq for peanuts.
No player had made it successfully through the youth team.
There is no football club in the world that would survive this degree of misjudgment.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 13:01:52 GMT
Since the new recruitment process was put in place in January 2013 we’ve made one (unqualified) successful signing - Arnie- the other 70odd have fallen between ‘uncommitted’ to ‘worst signings in world football’. We have former players - - that have stopped playing professional football (literally) at 27, - still pay millions to players that drift from club to club from year to year (and only continue to be professional footballers because we pay their wages) - have players that want to play their football in Turkey (on the basis we make up the difference in their wages so they can play there) - have 30 players that are unsellable, paid far beyond their worth. In those 6 (SIX) years we have sold one player for decent money and sold Nzonzi, Huth and Shaq for peanuts. No player had made it successfully through the youth team. There is no football club in the world that would survive this degree of misjudgment. Good summary and one man is consistent throughout |
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