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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 14:32:12 GMT
She’s just said to a question, I don’t remember then straight away says it was a collective approach, how do these people get these senior positions, Beer is ripping her a new arsehole
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 25, 2024 15:20:26 GMT
She’s just said to a question, I don’t remember then straight away says it was a collective approach, how do these people get these senior positions, Beer is ripping her a new arsehole When she said something along the lines of I wasn't in charge of that. I don't think we ever defined who was in charge 🤔 😂😂 Lying through her teeth.
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 15:48:34 GMT
That knew very well what was happening all along, it was a old boys club, you can imagine them caning the corporate credit cards and laughing about the minions being in the shit, absolute tossers of the highest order
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 25, 2024 15:54:04 GMT
She’s just said to a question, I don’t remember then straight away says it was a collective approach, how do these people get these senior positions, Beer is ripping her a new arsehole When she said something along the lines of I wasn't in charge of that. I don't think we ever defined who was in charge 🤔 😂😂 Lying through her teeth. As she's basically implicated herself numerous times and being in the position that she held, wouldn't/shouldn't "collective responsibility" apply ? It's absolutely disgraceful what these people have done, with seemingly little or no remorse. When is it Vennells turn I wonder. Surely criminal proceedings should have started against some of these people by now.
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 15:59:03 GMT
Lock em up and throw the fooking keys away, probably goes deeper , as into the corridors of government.
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
She’s unwillingly commuted perjury twice this afternoon, absolutely unbelievable
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 16:02:56 GMT
Sorry mean unwittingly
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 25, 2024 17:07:20 GMT
When she said something along the lines of I wasn't in charge of that. I don't think we ever defined who was in charge 🤔 😂😂 Lying through her teeth. As she's basically implicated herself numerous times and being in the position that she held, wouldn't/shouldn't "collective responsibility" apply ? It's absolutely disgraceful what these people have done, with seemingly little or no remorse. When is it Vennells turn I wonder. Surely criminal proceedings should have started against some of these people by now. She’s quite smartly hiding behind the Second Sight report that stated there were no systemic failures. Aside from committing perjury this morning, it feels like she got an easier ride in the afternoon through constant denials of being involved in decision making etc. Hopefully Mr. Beer was just setting her up nicely for the sub-postie lawyers to get their teeth into her. They really have to earn their money tomorrow.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 25, 2024 17:19:21 GMT
Thing is being incompetent or "not knowing" or "not recalling" won't help her in a criminal case
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2024 18:51:57 GMT
She really is a bit dim.
There was a moment this afternoon when Beer said to her, that there were several other people copied in on the email, showing that she must have known it was was possible to remotely access Horizon, so it was rather suspicious that they ALL missed it (which was her individual defence) and she replied yes, it wasn't just me, seemingly believing that this somehow supported her claim, rather than realising that he was in actual fact, accusing her (quite effectively) of being part of a conspiracy. 🙄
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 25, 2024 19:28:29 GMT
I hope the Enquiry can form a watershed in British corporate management culture. Fat fucking chance like but I still hope.
Since around the turn of the century we’ve had a generation of swamp creatures succeeding in the private sector, unskilled and untrained in the methods of effective management but instinctively artful in self-preservation and coercion.
Ms van den Bogerd seems a good example.
Beer: “er firstly I think you make no concessions or admissions that you did anything wrong, correct?”
Ms van den Bogerd: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong. And I would never knowingly do anything wrong”
Beer: “you don’t apologise for your role in any of the events being examined by the Enquiry, do you?”
Ms van den Swamp: “I’ve reflected on this quite a bit… there are (Enquiry) documents I’ve seen but clearly, knowing what I know now, I would have given further weight to those documents… there were things I might have missed”.
Nice one love. I never knowingly shat in my nappy but at least I gave further weight to it.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2024 20:36:50 GMT
Bogerd is currently getting rinsed and they know that she's lying. It's quite perturbing watching someone lying through their teeth live on an inquiry within which she is on oath. How she can boldly state she did not see that December 2010 email about FJ backdoor access is astounding. She knows full well that drops her in the shit. Is there not back-end data in email systems that can prove whether emails have been read? Potentially. Depends what type of email server they used. If it was something like an on prem Outlook Exchange backed up by an Active Directory, which has been the industry standard for 30 years, then 100% yes. The cloud based services are not quite as straightforward... The Outlook 365, Exchange Online, Gmail Apps etc. They are generally cheaper and more convenient but ultimately, the raw data isn't yours and accessing it isn't quite as straightforward.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 25, 2024 20:39:02 GMT
She really is a bit dim. There was a moment this afternoon when Beer said to her, that there were several other people copied in on the email, showing that she must have known it was was possible to remotely access Horizon, so it was rather suspicious that they ALL missed it (which was her individual defence) and she replied yes, it wasn't just me, seemingly believing that this somehow supported her claim, rather than realising that he was in actual fact, accusing her (quite effectively) of being part of a conspiracy. 🙄 I really hope this isn't window dressing. This must not be some dog and pony show before the inevitable announcement of "no criminal charges". Where there's demonstrable corruption, people need holding to account.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 26, 2024 7:24:45 GMT
Let's hope Sir Wynn's train is on time and we can kick off on time.
After her evidence today he says officers arrest that woman.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 26, 2024 7:57:00 GMT
Let's hope Sir Wynn's train is on time and we can kick off on time. After her evidence today he says officers arrest that woman. This isn’t a criminal trial though. I think the point of the inquiry is that enough evidence is formed that the sub-postie lawyers then decide there is enough to prosecute and then it becomes Bates vs VDB in a court of law.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 26, 2024 9:24:17 GMT
Let's hope Sir Wynn's train is on time and we can kick off on time. After her evidence today he says officers arrest that woman. This isn’t a criminal trial though. I think the point of the inquiry is that enough evidence is formed that the sub-postie lawyers then decide there is enough to prosecute and then it becomes Bates vs VDB in a court of law. Except the sub-postie lawyers have nothing to do with bringing a Criminal charge, Civil yes. My concern is that clearly some people in their evidence have obviously dobbed themselves in. I don't know enough about the law of how the Inquiry is structured but can evidence from an Inquiry be used or do they get a free pass because they cooperated with the Inquiry. This farce is more like a Truth and Reconciliation Session, I'm sure it's cathartic for the Subpostmasters to see their tormentors squirm and offer Mea Culpa's but really we need to get to a real Court and see some Gaol Time
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:04:52 GMT
Beer is ripping her another new one lied to court previously, she’s crapping it
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:10:57 GMT
It’s great viewing
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 26, 2024 10:14:37 GMT
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:19:35 GMT
I’m watching it live on YouTube
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 26, 2024 10:19:55 GMT
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:20:08 GMT
Think they’re still on a break at the moment
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 26, 2024 10:21:45 GMT
"That's just word soup". Got to try and use that today in one of my meetings.
Step back from being an autonotrom for a second 😂
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 26, 2024 10:22:19 GMT
This isn’t a criminal trial though. I think the point of the inquiry is that enough evidence is formed that the sub-postie lawyers then decide there is enough to prosecute and then it becomes Bates vs VDB in a court of law. Except the sub-postie lawyers have nothing to do with bringing a Criminal charge, Civil yes. My concern is that clearly some people in their evidence have obviously dobbed themselves in. I don't know enough about the law of how the Inquiry is structured but can evidence from an Inquiry be used or do they get a free pass because they cooperated with the Inquiry. This farce is more like a Truth and Reconciliation Session, I'm sure it's cathartic for the Subpostmasters to see their tormentors squirm and offer Mea Culpa's but really we need to get to a real Court and see some Gaol Time. I think it is still possible for the JFSA to launch private prosecutions against individuals such as VDB and Vennells that could result in imprisonment. I see no reason why evidence from the Inquiry cannot be used in a private prosecution case. The Inquiry acts as a precursor for that action. I don't think admitting that you are responsible for the financial ruin, conviction and in some cases, even deaths of innocent sub-posties should be an acceptable form of discharge.
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:29:48 GMT
I really hope you’re right
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:37:18 GMT
I worked in the corporate world for 20 plus years (pharmaceuticals) these people are clones of people I worked under, I took great pleasure watching several narcissists fall on their sword over the years
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Post by salopstick on Apr 26, 2024 10:42:30 GMT
VDB getting hammered today
I suspect prosecutions wont result in jail time. these people all seem to be older so likely mortgage free and secure.
Id strip the cunts of any govt and post office pensions
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:53:10 GMT
I worked in the corporate world for 20 plus years (pharmaceuticals) these people are clones of people I worked under, I took great pleasure watching several narcissists fall on their sword over the years
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:57:28 GMT
I worked in the corporate world for 20 plus years (pharmaceuticals) these people are clones of people I worked under, I took great pleasure watching several narcissists fall on their sword over the years
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Post by pablos on Apr 26, 2024 10:58:18 GMT
Sorry for repeat post , I feel like her ,I don’t know what I’m doing
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