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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 12, 2024 16:36:08 GMT
So the then head of the Post Office didn't know how the company he was running actually worked. So basically it wasn't my fault, I was just fucking useless at my job. It will be interesting to see how many other people being paid millions will try to wheedle out of their responsibility by claiming incompetence. BBC News - Post Office Inquiry live: I didn't realise Post Office brought its own prosecutions, says Alan Cook - BBC News www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68795663Ignorance is no defence at that level. Imagine a postie saying he didn't realise he had to sort his walk as well as deliver it too.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 12, 2024 20:04:01 GMT
So the then head of the Post Office didn't know how the company he was running actually worked. So basically it wasn't my fault, I was just fucking useless at my job. It will be interesting to see how many other people being paid millions will try to wheedle out of their responsibility by claiming incompetence. BBC News - Post Office Inquiry live: I didn't realise Post Office brought its own prosecutions, says Alan Cook - BBC News www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68795663I didn’t watch the inquiry, but have read the BBC updates. It defies belief that it took three years into the job for Cook to realise such a fundamental aspect of the business. Could he be lying? I expect we would only know that when the middle management such as the Group IT Director is quizzed and reveals whether or not he sought authorisation from the MD. Just like failed football managers though, it makes you question how executives like these keep walking into top profile positions and earning thousands of pounds a year.
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Post by Northy on Apr 13, 2024 6:52:37 GMT
Some big final salary pensions there as well, no wonder the cost of a stamp is so high, got to keep those wankers in the lap of luxury
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 13, 2024 11:49:03 GMT
So the then head of the Post Office didn't know how the company he was running actually worked. So basically it wasn't my fault, I was just fucking useless at my job. It will be interesting to see how many other people being paid millions will try to wheedle out of their responsibility by claiming incompetence. BBC News - Post Office Inquiry live: I didn't realise Post Office brought its own prosecutions, says Alan Cook - BBC News www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68795663Ignorance is no defence at that level. Imagine a postie saying he didn't realise he had to sort his walk as well as deliver it too. Well yes I agree and in times past people in those roles would have had the decency to accept the responsibility that goes with those positions in society and take what is coming their way. Now they take the money, deny responsibility and blame it on their underlings.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 5:34:40 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 17, 2024 9:00:58 GMT
It's not absolutely certain. There needs to be evidence from minutes, email trails, or testimonies from those involved. I was listening to the CEO and COO speaking yesterday. They're all claiming they didn't have the level of detail about PO conducting their own prosecutions or the data those cases were being based on. Those responsible for making those decisions on behalf of the CEO seem to be either the Head of Security, Tony Marsh or the IT Director, who's name wasn't mentioned yesterday. I found it notable yesterday that when pressed to name someone on the board or at director level who should have been responsible for identifying the risks in prosecutions, the CEO said he didn't know. I find that hard to fathom, and makes me wonder whether those involved have been colluding prior to the inquiry to say "if you don't snitch on me, I won't snitch on you".
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 17, 2024 12:34:06 GMT
It's not absolutely certain. There needs to be evidence from minutes, email trails, or testimonies from those involved. I was listening to the CEO and COO speaking yesterday. They're all claiming they didn't have the level of detail about PO conducting their own prosecutions or the data those cases were being based on. Those responsible for making those decisions on behalf of the CEO seem to be either the Head of Security, Tony Marsh or the IT Director, who's name wasn't mentioned yesterday. I found it notable yesterday that when pressed to name someone on the board or at director level who should have been responsible for identifying the risks in prosecutions, the CEO said he didn't know. I find that hard to fathom, and makes me wonder whether those involved have been colluding prior to the inquiry to say "if you don't snitch on me, I won't snitch on you". It'd be beyond satisfying to see that fall apart. They need a Bernie Madoff type sentence.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 12:43:43 GMT
It's not absolutely certain. There needs to be evidence from minutes, email trails, or testimonies from those involved. I was listening to the CEO and COO speaking yesterday. They're all claiming they didn't have the level of detail about PO conducting their own prosecutions or the data those cases were being based on. Those responsible for making those decisions on behalf of the CEO seem to be either the Head of Security, Tony Marsh or the IT Director, who's name wasn't mentioned yesterday. I found it notable yesterday that when pressed to name someone on the board or at director level who should have been responsible for identifying the risks in prosecutions, the CEO said he didn't know. I find that hard to fathom, and makes me wonder whether those involved have been colluding prior to the inquiry to say "if you don't snitch on me, I won't snitch on you". It'd be beyond satisfying to see that fall apart. They need a Bernie Madoff type sentence. Have you been watching any of the hearings this week? It has been absolutely glorious, watching the lawyers expose the PO executives of their wrong doings, has been like watching a cat playing with a mouse. One of many ... /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1780331491668504685¤tTweetUser=stugoo17
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 18, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
Bloody hell. He's painful this dude.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Apr 18, 2024 10:13:10 GMT
So the then head of the Post Office didn't know how the company he was running actually worked. So basically it wasn't my fault, I was just fucking useless at my job. It will be interesting to see how many other people being paid millions will try to wheedle out of their responsibility by claiming incompetence. BBC News - Post Office Inquiry live: I didn't realise Post Office brought its own prosecutions, says Alan Cook - BBC News www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68795663I didn’t watch the inquiry, but have read the BBC updates. It defies belief that it took three years into the job for Cook to realise such a fundamental aspect of the business. Could he be lying? I expect we would only know that when the middle management such as the Group IT Director is quizzed and reveals whether or not he sought authorisation from the MD. Just like failed football managers though, it makes you question how executives like these keep walking into top profile positions and earning thousands of pounds a year. Not defending the guy, but middle and senior management actively hide stuff from new bosses etc. I've been brought in to turn around a few failing organisations (absolutely nothing on this scale, but the politics / processes / people are all the same) and it takes about 12 months to actually get to the truth and unpick and uncover what has been hidden, especially when you have a team in place that you are inheriting, that have actively been involved in the wrongdoing (or in my case rank bad management that takes an organisation to the brink), and then obviously make joint and concerted action to keep stuff buried and only ever share edited highlights with you. Not defending the guy, but do have a modicum of sympathy for anybody coming in blind, and having to circumnavigate years of lies and cover-up, never actually knowing who is telling you the truth.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 22, 2024 21:36:40 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 11:34:11 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 23, 2024 12:00:40 GMT
It perhaps would be if they stopped hiding behind I can't recall/ I don't remember. Here's an idea. Fucking try to.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 12:22:22 GMT
It perhaps would be if they stopped hiding behind I can't recall/ I don't remember. Here's an idea. Fucking try to. It's absolutely scandalous.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 23, 2024 21:58:50 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 22:15:18 GMT
Absolutely staggering that somebody would even put those thoughts down in actual words.
Really, it tells you all you need to know about Vennells.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 23, 2024 22:37:33 GMT
Extraordinary, I don't understand why we have to wait several more years of an enquiry before the Police get involved in prosecuting Vennells for at a minimum Perverting the Course of Justice In her own written words Vennells admits having a confusion as to why the Post Office's most Senior in-house Lawyer Susan Crichton would have an ethical conflict in suppressing the Second Sight SS Interim Report which laid bare the faults with the Horizon System versus protecting the Post Office For her part Susan Crichton's regret is that she ever commissioned the report in the first place because she couldn't unknow what she knew. In her peculiar brand of ethics she was a danger to the Post Office and was bought off with a termination payoff to Foxtrot Oscar which is in itself Perverting the Course of Justice by her non disclosure of a Criminal Act which as a Lawyer she would have been well aware of. BASTARDS
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 24, 2024 8:12:28 GMT
Alice Jenkins (I think that's her surname) is also jack straws Mrs.
You start to see why it has taken so long for anything to even start to be done given the characters involved.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 25, 2024 6:45:39 GMT
Today should get fruity. Bogerd in the hot seat, she needs to be made to feel very uncomfortable. Some of the letters sent to postmasters with her signature at the bottom are verging on criminal.
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 25, 2024 8:01:19 GMT
Today should get fruity. Bogerd in the hot seat, she needs to be made to feel very uncomfortable. Some of the letters sent to postmasters with her signature at the bottom are verging on criminal. I wonder how good her memory will be ? Most of those being questioned seem to be unable to recall hardly anything that happened. Makes you wonder if they're being "influenced" by anybody as to what they should say.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 25, 2024 8:23:32 GMT
Today should get fruity. Bogerd in the hot seat, she needs to be made to feel very uncomfortable. Some of the letters sent to postmasters with her signature at the bottom are verging on criminal. I wonder how good her memory will be ? Most of those being questioned seem to be unable to recall hardly anything that happened. Makes you wonder if they're being "influenced" by anybody as to what they should say. The counsel lawyers will grill her, but wait until the sub-postie Rottweilers are unleashed. They need to throw every piece of evidence at her and prove that she is lying. Surely there comes a point where saying “I don’t know” or “I don’t recall” becomes indefensible in a prosecution.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 25, 2024 10:41:04 GMT
I used to think execs did sweet FA all day except be buried in their emails.
Turns out the POL lot weren't even doing that.(not that you can believe a word they say)
Suppose it's more preferable to be thought of as incompetent than evil and vindictive fuckers they are.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2024 10:54:45 GMT
I used to think execs did sweet FA all day except be buried in their emails. Turns out the POL lot weren't even doing that.(not that you can believe a word they say) Suppose it's more preferable to be thought of as incompetent than evil and vindictive fuckers they are. Bogerd is currently getting rinsed and they know that she's lying.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 25, 2024 11:11:50 GMT
I used to think execs did sweet FA all day except be buried in their emails. Turns out the POL lot weren't even doing that.(not that you can believe a word they say) Suppose it's more preferable to be thought of as incompetent than evil and vindictive fuckers they are. Bogerd is currently getting rinsed and they know that she's lying. It's quite perturbing watching someone lying through their teeth live on an inquiry within which she is on oath. How she can boldly state she did not see that December 2010 email about FJ backdoor access is astounding. She knows full well that drops her in the shit. Is there not back-end data in email systems that can prove whether emails have been read?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 25, 2024 11:23:22 GMT
I used to think execs did sweet FA all day except be buried in their emails. Turns out the POL lot weren't even doing that.(not that you can believe a word they say) Suppose it's more preferable to be thought of as incompetent than evil and vindictive fuckers they are. Bogerd is currently getting rinsed and they know that she's lying. Yes indeed. Think it's a pretty open and shut case of perjury established there by Mr Beer.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2024 11:24:21 GMT
Bogerd is currently getting rinsed and they know that she's lying. It's quite perturbing watching someone lying through their teeth live on an inquiry within which she is on oath. How she can boldly state she did not see that December 2010 email about FJ backdoor access is astounding. She knows full well that drops her in the shit. Is there not back-end data in email systems that can prove whether emails have been read? I think they've just caught her red handed with 2014 email, she REQUESTED it and then replied saying that she had received it. So that's now three different emails across three different years which demonstrate that she did in fact know that Horizon could be remotely accessed, yet in the criminal trials she claimed that it couldn't! I guess once you've lied under oath for the first time, it's no problem doing it again now. If I was a sub-postmaster, I'd have put my foot through the TV by now!
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Post by salopstick on Apr 25, 2024 11:26:46 GMT
It's quite perturbing watching someone lying through their teeth live on an inquiry within which she is on oath. How she can boldly state she did not see that December 2010 email about FJ backdoor access is astounding. She knows full well that drops her in the shit. Is there not back-end data in email systems that can prove whether emails have been read? I think they've just caught her red handed with 2014 email, she REQUESTED it and then replied saying that she had received it. So that's now three different emails across three different years which demonstrate that she did in fact know that Horizon could be remotely accessed, yet in the criminal trials she claimed that it couldn't! I guess once you've lied under oath for the first time, it's no problem doing it again now. If I was a sub-postmaster, I'd have put my foot through the TV by now! CPS need to be prosecuting some of this shit now, not waiting for end of inquiry. some of these cretins will evade justice
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2024 12:18:15 GMT
She's too thick to even realise how some of the questioning is implicating her, it seems. 🤦♂️
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 14:01:29 GMT
She really is up to her neck in the shit, take away her pension benefits and make her pay back her ridiculously inflated bonuses the jail her, don’t think she’d last long in the clink.
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Post by pablos on Apr 25, 2024 14:03:43 GMT
It’s perjury with a capital P, lock the upper class bullshit merchant up
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