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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 14, 2019 21:52:45 GMT
We didn't lose. Right now that's worth quite a lot. We're tighter, stronger, better-drilled and given where we've come from, good one Mick. On the other hand we're toothless again - I get that MoN's still experimenting, but he's been here more than 5 minutes now, surely to God he knows his players well enough to get bolder by now? If we're going to do more than, maybe, survive in this league, we have to be taking the game to the Readings of this world.
5* from me
add * if you were there please
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2019 21:59:28 GMT
God awful beyond redemption , utterly exposed as a way way short of this level , snd to suggest he’s organised us is to ignore defeats at Cardiff , hull and at home tto Blackburn .
His press conferences are a litany of miixec messages and bollocks snd he’s clearly lost the excluded players already He’s suggesting by selection Etebo , Badou, Gregory aren’t in our best 18 in the case of the first two either by poor judgment or failure to stand up and be counted , he’s proving to be the truly horrendous appointment many of us feared from Scholes and co.
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Post by bojanwonder on Dec 14, 2019 22:11:13 GMT
So he's made the defence stronger, we've got more shape and the players look a little better drilled. Also bringing Cousins into the fold has been a good call so far. On that basis perhaps a 5* would be fair. But..... on the basis that I was bored shitless for the whole game I'll settle on a very frustrated 1*.
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Post by march4 on Dec 14, 2019 22:15:44 GMT
Loses marks for playing Vokes and Clucas (clearly still injured) and Lindsey.
Loses marks for not dragging the invisible Ince off at half-time and for not subbing the injured Clucas earlier.
Loses marks for the unfathomable substitution of Hogan and then Powell.
Finally loses a whole pile of marks for his complete inability to motivate the players.
I think that comes to 0.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 22:17:20 GMT
0
The Hogan substitution was mind boggling.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2019 22:20:29 GMT
Loses marks for playing Vokes and Clucas (clearly still injured) and Lindsey. Loses marks for not dragging the invisible Ince off at half-time and for not subbing the injured Clucas earlier. Loses marks for the unfathomable substitution of Hogan and then Powell. Finally loses a whole pile of marks for his complete inability to motivate the players. I think that comes to 0. That’s a generous 0 , its like a milk man saying I could have delivered more but felt it right to leave my milk float at home cause I didn’t fancy it , and the clucas injury thing is just duplicitous at the very kindest .
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 14, 2019 22:27:33 GMT
God awful beyond redemption , utterly exposed as a way way short of this level , snd to suggest he’s organised us is to ignore defeats at Cardiff , hull and at home tto Blackburn . His press conferences are a litany of miixec messages and bollocks snd he’s clearly lost the excluded players already He’s suggesting by selection Etebo , Badou, Gregory aren’t in our best 18 in the case of the first two either by poor judgment or failure to stand up and be counted , he’s proving to be the truly horrendous appointment many of us feared from Scholes and co. Behave you virgin.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 14, 2019 22:27:59 GMT
0 The Hogan substitution was mind boggling. *In hindsight*
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 14, 2019 22:36:59 GMT
9 ) we would of lost that 2 months ago, organised and disciplined, excellent
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2019 22:49:48 GMT
9 ) we would of lost that 2 months ago, organised and disciplined, excellent Organised and disciplined it Was the least organised attacking display with no shape or intent since John Inman took up heavyweight boxing it was truly diabolical on every level and a poor Boro team will show up the other end of the pitch next week as hull and Cardiff did
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 14, 2019 22:50:13 GMT
A generous 5*
Understood why he kept faith with the same team (shawcross exception), and was pleasantly surprised to see Edwards dragged off at half time as he was pants.
However persistenting with show pony Ince defies logic. Ive never seen a guy lose the ball as much as him.
Vokes couldn't time a jump if his life depended on it, and we still only play one up front at home.
Thought cousins did well, but allen and mclean looked off the pace, probably bollocksed after Tuesday.
Will be one of the few times butland doesn't dirty his kit as reading were a poor side and we should have put them to the sword.
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Post by Gunslinger on Dec 14, 2019 23:06:12 GMT
A clean sheet was positive but he need to do something about our complete lack of firepower.
5
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2019 23:07:39 GMT
4, shocking subs, Hogan up front on his own and then to not change it when it clearly wasn't working was moronic
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 14, 2019 23:09:33 GMT
I don't understand the continuing absence of Etebo and Badou, especially when the selection of a clearly unfit Clucas was a mistake. I don't understand the continuing selection of Lindsay who makes a couple of major blunders every game. I don't understand the persisting with one forward when we have no-one able to play that role.
I expected a bit more momentum from Tuesday's win.
On the plus side, bringing Cousins in has been a success and the defence looks a bit better organised. This was a second clean sheet in succession, though we did allow the usual clear chance from a breakaway (around 70 minutes, I think).
5*
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 14, 2019 23:17:53 GMT
Minus 4 for playing Vokes. Minus 4 for replacing Vokes with Hogan. So that leaves 2.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 14, 2019 23:52:21 GMT
2 wank
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 0:01:22 GMT
2*
Cowardly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 7:58:21 GMT
0 The Hogan substitution was mind boggling. *In hindsight* Absolutely not. He's 5ft and a fag end and averages one touch of the ball every ten minutes. We got exactly what we knew we'd get. No headers won, no challenges won, a few ineffective touches of the ball. It was a fucking brainless substitution. Reading were awful and there for the taking but he needlessly wasted a sub with Edward's, he pointlessly brought on Hogan and brought Powell on who decided to play no where near Hogan. We handed them possession, and thereby handed them an easy point.
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Post by towraytek on Dec 15, 2019 8:30:27 GMT
6* not pretty but he's building a solid foundation. Two clean sheets in a row and 4 points out of six is not a bad effort considering the mess he inherited. Would have liked to have seen Diouf second half.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 15, 2019 9:39:45 GMT
-10 for not creating a chance on goal at home against Reading, +3 for not going on to lose the game 1-0 like we would of earlier in the season. All points are welcome and important and keep the scoreboard ticking till the window.
Would have taken your hand off for 4pts and 2 clean sheets at the start of the week, so not overly complaining.
3 from me and as I predicted we would not win this one I reserve the right to clasp my ear
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 15, 2019 10:13:25 GMT
0 The Hogan substitution was mind boggling. *In hindsight* Not really, it looked daft at the time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 13:00:02 GMT
0 The Hogan substitution was mind boggling. *In hindsight* Anyone not questioning that sub as soon as you knew what was going on has no clue about football.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 15, 2019 17:08:37 GMT
Anyone not questioning that sub as soon as you knew what was going on has no clue about football. * spot on it was a game management strategy that would Have looked diabolical at any level and when you see the hogan stars elsewhere here showed a chronic lack of preparation and player insight too .
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Post by jonnynico on Dec 15, 2019 18:53:53 GMT
6* not pretty but he's building a solid foundation. Two clean sheets in a row and 4 points out of six is not a bad effort considering the mess he inherited. Would have liked to have seen Diouf second half.
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Post by jonnynico on Dec 15, 2019 18:54:58 GMT
Is that 4out of 6 also 4 out of 12 .
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 15, 2019 19:46:51 GMT
1, for not losing
*
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 19:53:50 GMT
9 )
To be fair you have to separate , MoN from Stoke city
The facts are we don't have a Steve bull , Duncan Ferguson , Andy Carroll , battering ram striker that Allen clucas and co can launch it too
We don't have a Brendan O'Callaghan Peter crouch type who wins everything in the air ,they can launch it too
We don't have a nippy pacey mark stein type who if Allen clucas and co , play into space and gaps will race onto it and finish
We don't have an ultra classy Jimmy greenhoff ric fuller maverick who will magic you 15 goals a season out of nowhere
We don't have a Geoff Hurst ,James beattie class finisher , who given any chance at all will bury it with his head ,left foot or right foot
There are so many ways to score and be effective as a striker , and our great club has had pretty much every type of effective striker
But MoN has walked into a situation where often Allen clucas woods and co have literally no pass on ...they can't launch it , they can't play it into space for him to run onto
Play a fat overweight lump , who can't win a header ( vokes ) up top and there is literally no pass on
All you can ask of MoN , is to somehow get this useless lot to win a higher percentage of games than they did under NJ
That's what he's trying to do
And he is doing it
He can't be blamed for our rediculous recruitment strategy.
He can't be blamed for a toothless attack
And slightly going off beam , on a related topic , clucas Allen woods and co , shouldn't be getting so much grief and abuse , for struggling to find a pass to strike force that can't win a header , can't lose its man , has no pace etc
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 15, 2019 20:20:24 GMT
9 ) To be fair you have to separate , MoN from Stoke city The facts are we don't have a Steve bull , Duncan Ferguson , Andy Carroll , battering ram striker that Allen clucas and co can launch it too We don't have a Brendan O'Callaghan Peter crouch type who wins everything in the air ,they can launch it too We don't have a nippy pacey mark stein type who if Allen clucas and co , play into space and gaps will race onto it and finish We don't have an ultra classy Jimmy greenhoff ric fuller maverick who will magic you 15 goals a season out of nowhere We don't have a Geoff Hurst ,James beattie class finisher , who given any chance at all will bury it with his head ,left foot or right foot There are so many ways to score and be effective as a striker , and our great club has had pretty much every type of effective striker But MoN has walked into a situation where often Allen clucas woods and co have literally no pass on ...they can't launch it , they can't play it into space for him to run onto Play a fat overweight lump , who can't win a header ( vokes ) up top and there is literally no pass on All you can ask of MoN , is to somehow get this useless lot to win a higher percentage of games than they did under NJ That's what he's trying to do And he is doing it He can't be blamed for our rediculous recruitment strategy. He can't be blamed for a toothless attack And slightly going off beam , on a related topic , clucas Allen woods and co , shouldn't be getting so much grief and abuse , for struggling to find a pass to strike force that can't win a header , can't lose its man , has no pace etc He can be blamed for that sub though can’t he? That was blatantly not going to work.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 15, 2019 20:27:40 GMT
5* everything was average yesterday the manager was no exception. Gouranga.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 15, 2019 22:10:08 GMT
We didn't lose. Clean sheet. A pragmatic 6 from me.
OS.
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